Iceland success. Same as Alberta plan

[rotorspeed]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newslett ... -s-success

Granted they are a smaller country but their testing was the same as the Alberta entry plan. Couldn't they have done this all over Canada

[Cessna 180]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newslett ... -s-success

Granted they are a smaller country but their testing was the same as the Alberta entry plan. Couldn't they have done this all over Canada

Harder to instill mass fear if people can leave the country. Those of us who leave Canada for work can see how normal many parts of the world are becoming. Canada on the other hand only gets more restrictive, more authoritarian.

FYI results from the Alberta program were good.

[RedAndWhiteBaron]

Harder to instill mass fear if people can leave the country.

This is true - but...

Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.

Emphasis mine.

And the Emergencies Act was not passed notwithstanding. It is blatantly unconstitutional to prevent Canadians from leaving the country, until and unless an act of parliament, passed notwithstanding the constitution, says otherwise - and it's a really, Really Big Deal to do that.

We can all argue until we're blue in the face over how wrong it may or may not be to leave the country in these times, but every Canadian has the inalienable right to leave the country - and the right to enter it after the fact (unless deprived, individually, of that right by due process of law - e.g. incarceration or bail restrictions).

IANAL but this seems pretty clear cut to me.

[Cessna 180]

Harder to instill mass fear if people can leave the country.

This is true - but...

Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.

Emphasis mine.

And the Emergencies Act was not passed notwithstanding. It is blatantly unconstitutional to prevent Canadians from leaving the country, until and unless an act of parliament, passed notwithstanding the constitution, says otherwise - and it's a really, Really Big Deal to do that.

We can all argue until we're blue in the face over how wrong it may or may not be to leave the country in these times, but every Canadian has the inalienable right to leave the country - and the right to enter it after the fact (unless deprived, individually, of that right by due process of law - e.g. incarceration or bail restrictions).

IANAL but this seems pretty clear cut to me.

you're right, but since they implemented a de facto prison sentence for re-entering Canada (3 days or longer in the hotel with poor meals, then at least 14 at home), along with a huge fine (inflated hotel bill) and a questionably legal invasive test, they've made it so unattractive to leave that they may have well just suspended our rights. in an essence, they have.

[Rockie]

If you’re equating what that article says about Iceland’s measures or how the public followed them with any part of Canada you clearly didn’t read it. But file a charter rights violation if you’re so convinced there’s a case. Should be easy to win.

[rotorspeed]

It's not exactly the same but shows what was being done was a similar plan with dual testing. If you're a liberal I'm sure your fine with all this

[RedAndWhiteBaron]

If you’re equating what that article says about Iceland’s measures or how the public followed them with any part of Canada you clearly didn’t read it. But file a charter rights violation if you’re so convinced there’s a case. Should be easy to win.

I did read the article. I was attempting to illustrate that it's simply not possible to stop people from leaving the country. Cessna's comment suggests to me that quite a few people think we should do that, and it's just not that simple.

I would love to see Iceland's measures in place here, with the addition of lifting the self quarantine if you test negative after five days. It's apples to oranges comparing us with Iceland - and, for that matter, New Zealand - though, as they're both island nations.

[Ruddervator]

he largely attributes its success to the public’s participation in following instructions, such as wearing masks and adhering to two meter (six foot) social distancing

Same as Alberta

lol. Sure.

[Rockie]

It's not exactly the same but shows what was being done was a similar plan with dual testing. If you're a liberal I'm sure your fine with all this

Unlike Iceland in Alberta that dual testing is just a trial that probably won’t be finished until after the pandemic is. Unlike Alberta, Iceland is an Island that doesn’t have land borders on all four sides with no travel restrictions on three of them. Unlike Alberta, Icelandic people followed government guidelines. Trying to find the similarities here but it’s tough.

And yeah, what’s not to love about a global pandemic that kills millions and shuts down the world economy?

[rotorspeed]

Look at Los Angeles county the most locked down mask mandated area since March of last year. How did that work out. 1 in 5 had virus. 15000 small business are done. CBSA says 74% of people excepted from quarantine that entered Canada . How does that work. Iceland is a small country. So it's a bit differeng, but Canadians who follow the rules and would do the 5 day plan are being punished. A bit late for Trudeau now doing all this bullshit. The people that are vulnerable are vulnerable we can't change that. 78 percent of people hospitalized from covid obese. Eat like shit and don't take care of yourself not my fault

[Rockie]

Eat like shit and don't take care of yourself not my fault

Yeah, f**k them right? They deserve to die as long as you’re not inconvenienced.

[rotorspeed]

Not what I'm saying but if you don't take care of yourself are you going to blame everyone else for heart disease also. Where was help for the seniors in the home. Nowhere, but let's stop people from being able to live and survive. We haven't even talked about the mental health cost, that will be massive

[Rockie]

It’s not a question of blame, it’s saving lives. That is what all of this is about until we beat this virus into the ground, which we will. This summer is going to bring dramatic, welcome change.

[rotorspeed]

In all honesty I think this virus would spread a lot no matter what. Let's hope you're right, everyone needs it.

[Rockie]

In all honesty I think this virus would spread a lot no matter what. Let's hope you're right, everyone needs it.

118 million doses in Canada by the end of September, not to mention the US is way ahead of us (thank you Trump, this might soften your legacy). We are already questioning what we’re going to do with what we don’t need.

[montado]

Eat like shit and don't take care of yourself not my fault

Yeah, f**k them right? They deserve to die as long as you’re not inconvenienced.

Rockie likes to put the blame on everyone else and has no concept of personal responsibility.

Somehow rockie takes a fat and unhealthy individual who smokes and drinks, passes of covid and spins this as you are a murder if you don’t believe in public health guidelines that may or [more likely] may not help extend their life. Somehow the personal responsibility and choices of this individual means nothing, and anyone who won’t bend over backwards to save them must be a sociopath, “@#$! them” “deserve to die”.

Can anyone really stand to listen to the garbage you say? It’s completely idiotic. Then you post your little kumbaya about how we will all be vaccinated soon and can hold hands when this is over

We used to be able to read “journalism” with these ridiculous views... huffpost Canada. Glad they got shut down. You know, the far left who are all for unions, then when they unionize two weeks later, buh bye everyone! reading Rockies posts is kind of like a huffpost article.

[Rockie]

You have a nerve exposed Montado. Better get that checked.

[Schooner69A]

This:


"Thorolfur Gudnason, the nation’s chief epidemiologist, said in an interview that he largely attributes its success to the public’s participation in following instructions, such as wearing masks and adhering to two meter (six foot) social distancing."

[goldeneagle]

you're right, but since they implemented a de facto prison sentence for re-entering Canada (3 days or longer in the hotel with poor meals, then at least 14 at home), along with a huge fine (inflated hotel bill) and a questionably legal invasive test, they've made it so unattractive to leave that they may have well just suspended our rights. in an essence, they have.

https://www.icelandair.com/blog/iceland-is-open-faq/
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From February 19, it is mandatory for passengers to show a certificate of negative PCR test before boarding an aircraft to Iceland, and also upon arrival in Iceland. The test must be taken within 72 hours of departure. Exemptions are listed below.

Note: the negative PCR test requirement is in addition to the requirement for arriving passengers to undergo double screening and quarantine.

It is mandatory for passengers arriving in Iceland to undergo a double COVID-testing procedure along with quarantine for 5-6 days. The first COVID test is at the border on arrival and the second by the primary healthcare service 5-6 days later. In between the 2 tests, arrivals must go into quarantine. More details are below.

Exemptions

The following are exempt from requirements for both the negative PCR test certificate before boarding and the double screening and quarantine upon arrival in Iceland:

children born 2005 or later are exempt from the double screening but are required to go into quarantine along with their parents or guardians after entering Iceland
transit passengers
travelers with a certificate of previous COVID-19 infection that meets the government criteria
travelers with a certificate of vaccination that meets the government criteria
travelers who for valid medical reasons cannot undergo testing

More details are given in response to the questions below.
Travel restrictions

From Europe: There are no entry restrictions for visitors holding passports (or valid residency) from EU/EFTA countries.

From the UK: From January 1, 2021, there are changes to entry requirements for British citizens entering Iceland. For further information, please see the official websites of the Icelandic Police and the Directorate of Immigration.

From USA and Canada: External Schengen borders are closed to USA and Canada, therefore we are currently unable to welcome US or Canadian passport-holders. Note that some exceptions apply for close family ties and for essential travel - read more at the official site: Regarding travel restrictions to Iceland as a result of COVID-19.

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These requirements dont look much different than Canada, other than the part about proof of vaccination. 5 to 6 days quarantine arriving as you await test results. Border closed entirely to folks coming from the USA and Canada, only open to select few European countries.

The big difference, they have managed to spin a story to the press that makes it sound like 'country is wide open' for those who dont read past the headlines. The reality is, much like New Zealand, and island with a small local population that has eradicated it on the island, and set up very strict border entry requirements to keep it that way. The only thing new here, proof of vaccination will allow you to bypass the quarantine, if you are an EU resident.

[Inverted2]

In all honesty I think this virus would spread a lot no matter what. Let's hope you're right, everyone needs it.

118 million doses in Canada by the end of September, not to mention the US is way ahead of us (thank you Trump, this might soften your legacy). We are already questioning what we’re going to do with what we don’t need.

What was Trugroper smoking when he ordered 118 million doses for a country with ~37 million. Are you taking all the different vaccines just to be extra safe rockie?

[Rockie]

What was Trugroper smoking when he ordered 118 million doses for a country with ~37 million. Are you taking all the different vaccines just to be extra safe rockie?

I don’t know who Trugroper is. For the government’s part I’m going to guess they ordered so much from so many different sources because they didn’t know at the time who would come through first, or if some wouldn’t come through at all. It’s called covering their bases to ensure Canadians get as much vaccines as possible as quickly as possible. Sensible planning during a crisis I would say, and obviously not something you would think of.

[Inverted2]

You know who he is. Don’t pretend to be stupid. You like his hair.

[Rockie]

Nope. I don’t know anyone by that name and have never heard the name before.