Save Our Country & Our Industry

[linecrew]

Interesting to see the different and very conflicting viewpoints amongst colleagues here.

I'm curious on how things would have turned out if the world simply did nothing, and just let COVID-19 run it's course through the masses without any mitigation and "cull the heard" so to speak, as some seem to be indifferent to. What would be the global impact on economies, health care systems, population numbers, etc.

[goldeneagle]

If most cases are from close contacts, I guess this is a matter of personal responsibility. Why should everyone lockdown to save lives when the very people who get covid are people who had close contact to someone. They made that choice. It’s a fact you can’t get covid if you physically distance from everyone. I invite everyone to make that personal choice. If you get covid and die, tough luck... you should have stayed home.

Easy to put the same spin on the other way.

It's kind of like making career choices. The aviation industry has always been cyclical, I've seen multiple cycles of layoffs and furloughs in my lifetime, even participated once to often for my liking.

It's a fact, aviation is cyclical, and goes thru periods of mass layoffs, always has, always will. If your job vanishes during one of these cycles, tough luck, you should have made a better career choice.

[ReserveTank]

Interesting to see the different and very conflicting viewpoints amongst colleagues here.

I'm curious on how things would have turned out if the world simply did nothing, and just let COVID-19 run it's course through the masses without any mitigation and "cull the heard" so to speak, as some seem to be indifferent to. What would be the global impact on economies, health care systems, population numbers, etc.

I think it would have been much better. They spent a great deal of media resources to convince the public that "flattening the curve" would be much better. And remember, this was about hospital capacity, not spread, and not vaccines. The truth is that hospital capacity is in crisis every flu season. There were already waitlists in Canada (and of course other countries) for medical procedures. They knew they could get away with milking their crisis so they did it.
Culling the herd is how we get the best of the best in our society. Preserving the chaff spoils the wheat.

[Rockie]

Culling the herd is how we get the best of the best in our society. Preserving the chaff spoils the wheat.

You seem pretty certain you're wheat. What if you aren't?

[montado]

Remember our great liberal leader south of the border who wrote his book on leadership during a pandemic, half way through a pandemic? That’s like a football coach bragging about his game plan during the SuperBowl at half time.

Then we found out he was hiding LTC numbers...ouch...

Then he had on sexual harassment allegation.

Then another one.

Then a sexual assault allegation. And to think Democrats wanted him to run for president. Looks like us Canadians aren’t the only ones stuck with pathetic leadership.

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[Rockie]

Ha ha. You forgot about Trump ALREADY. The only thing less impressive than your scientific expertise is your memory.

[7ECA]

I'm curious on how things would have turned out if the world simply did nothing, and just let COVID-19 run it's course through the masses without any mitigation and "cull the heard" so to speak, as some seem to be indifferent to. What would be the global impact on economies, health care systems, population numbers, etc.

The WHO put out a prediction very early on as to what would likely occur. The numbers are far from being rosy.

The prediction of "doing nothing", would likely result in 70% of the world population infected with COVID-19 by the end of 2020. With a world population of roughly 7.8 Billion that would result in 5,460,000,000 (5.46 Billion cases). Good luck keeping any kind of infrastructure up and running with those kind of numbers of infected.

Oh, and deaths? Well, the WHO also predicted that the death rate would likely rise to around 10% at that point (and that's a conservative estimate, being that healthcare systems would pretty much collapse globally under the strain). So, 10% of 5.46 Billion equals (roughly) 546,000,000 (546 Million) deaths by the end of 2020.

How anyone could think that "letting things run their course" would be a good idea is fucking beyond me, because there's no way any semblance of normality would ever return to the planet with an unmitigated disaster of that size and scope.

[montado]

Ha ha. You forgot about Trump ALREADY. The only thing less impressive than your scientific expertise is your memory.

Ah spoken like a true liberal. Sexual assault is okay, as long as I can redirect the attention somewhere else. I wonder if the women he touched are thinking... “well at least trumps not prez anymore, life could be worse”

Liberals are the biggest hypocrites.

[montado]

I'm curious on how things would have turned out if the world simply did nothing, and just let COVID-19 run it's course through the masses without any mitigation and "cull the heard" so to speak, as some seem to be indifferent to. What would be the global impact on economies, health care systems, population numbers, etc.

The WHO put out a prediction very early on as to what would likely occur...
predicted that the death rate would likely rise to around 10% at that point (and that's a conservative estimate, being that healthcare systems would pretty much collapse globally under the strain). So, 10% of 5.46 Billion equals (roughly) 546,000,000 (546 Million) deaths by the end of 2020.

Oh @#$!! Does doomvilla have a sister working at the WHO?

CDC says death rate 0.5 percent... apparently someone at the WHO says 10... everyone lockdown in your basement until we know who is right! This could be worse than the new variant! You could die!

[7ECA]

CDC says death rate 0.5 percent... apparently someone at the WHO says 10... everyone lockdown in your basement until we know who is right! This could be worse than the new variant! You could die!

It's rather convenient that you ignored most of my post, thus losing all context.

The prediction of a death rate up to, or potentially in excess, of 10% of cases was predicated on allowing COVID-19 to run rampant with no efforts at all to slow the spread, flatten curves, etc. Yes, the death rate with measures in place to combat the virus has brought the death rate to around 1%; which still means in excess of two million people having died worldwide.

The question was asked, what could potentially have happened had COVID-19 been allowed to "run its course" and to "cull the heard". It would have been an unmitigated disaster.

But, apparently that's acceptable for certain individuals - as long as their "freedoms" aren't infringed upon. Guess what "montado" (or pelmet, or which ever of a dozen or more aliases you now go by); your career would have been in even worse shape had we done nothing to try and mitigate the impacts of the virus. But, you may have been able to go to work; right up until the wheels fell off the global economy and society as a whole crashed down around you...

[Rockie]

Ha ha. You forgot about Trump ALREADY. The only thing less impressive than your scientific expertise is your memory.

Ah spoken like a true liberal. Sexual assault is okay, as long as I can redirect the attention somewhere else. I wonder if the women he touched are thinking... “well at least trumps not prez anymore, life could be worse”

Liberals are the biggest hypocrites.

How many women have accused Trump of assaulting them again? 26 or something. That's not including the ones who just want to forget the disgusting pig exists or the ones he illegally paid off. Seriously Montado, do you really want to play that game?

[montado]

CDC says death rate 0.5 percent... apparently someone at the WHO says 10... everyone lockdown in your basement until we know who is right! This could be worse than the new variant! You could die!

The question was asked, what could potentially have happened had COVID-19 been allowed to "run its course" and to "cull the heard". It would have been an unmitigated disaster.

What could have happened? Or what would have happened. You are mixing up words. Can we bring some clarity to your point.

See we can make lots of outlandish “could” statements... like I can say if we do nothing to stop covid, it could kill everyone!

But would it? Would means we need to actually look at this with some logic, and use some evidence to support what we are saying. I can no longer say something like covid would kill everyone if we let it spread.

So sure, the WHO can say whatever they like with no filter for garbage and make all sorts of “what could happen”. It’s really safe to say anything could happen when you don’t want to be scientific about it. Not only did you say 10 percent, but you also say that’s being conservative, which is completely idiotic. I think you made it up. It’s all made up garbage and no one can take you seriously.

[mbav8r]

I'm curious on how things would have turned out if the world simply did nothing, and just let COVID-19 run it's course through the masses without any mitigation and "cull the heard" so to speak, as some seem to be indifferent to. What would be the global impact on economies, health care systems, population numbers, etc.

The WHO put out a prediction very early on as to what would likely occur. The numbers are far from being rosy.

The prediction of "doing nothing", would likely result in 70% of the world population infected with COVID-19 by the end of 2020. With a world population of roughly 7.8 Billion that would result in 5,460,000,000 (5.46 Billion cases). Good luck keeping any kind of infrastructure up and running with those kind of numbers of infected.

Oh, and deaths? Well, the WHO also predicted that the death rate would likely rise to around 10% at that point (and that's a conservative estimate, being that healthcare systems would pretty much collapse globally under the strain). So, 10% of 5.46 Billion equals (roughly) 546,000,000 (546 Million) deaths by the end of 2020.

How anyone could think that "letting things run their course" would be a good idea is fucking beyond me, because there's no way any semblance of normality would ever return to the planet with an unmitigated disaster of that size and scope.

It’s a waste of time to try and add some common sense or logic, for some, either too stupid to see the possibility or just trying to stir the pot. Either way, the only way for them to get it would have been to allow it to run rampant and say, see we tried to warn you, thankfully people with more brain power were making the policies.
All you can do is call them out when they post blatant lies otherwise don’t waste your time

[montado]

Ha ha. You forgot about Trump ALREADY. The only thing less impressive than your scientific expertise is your memory.

Ah spoken like a true liberal. Sexual assault is okay, as long as I can redirect the attention somewhere else. I wonder if the women he touched are thinking... “well at least trumps not prez anymore, life could be worse”

Liberals are the biggest hypocrites.

How many women have accused Trump of assaulting them again? 26 or something. That's not including the ones who just want to forget the disgusting pig exists or the ones he illegally paid off. Seriously Montado, do you really want to play that game?

Oh look at rockie go! Double down! The demotard can do no harm. Tell us more whataboutisims. What about trump! Sexual harassment is okay if you are a democrat! See, we can just use a what about trump here and what about trump there... then the sexual harassment disappears... I’ll just keep doubling down and talking about trump and it all disappears.

So much for equality, inclusion, women’s rights and all things liberals stand for. Those things only matter to rockie when it’s convenient, he’s even willing to double down to show everyone how so.

[mbav8r]

CDC says death rate 0.5 percent... apparently someone at the WHO says 10... everyone lockdown in your basement until we know who is right! This could be worse than the new variant! You could die!

The question was asked, what could potentially have happened had COVID-19 been allowed to "run its course" and to "cull the heard". It would have been an unmitigated disaster.

What could have happened? Or what would have happened. You are mixing up words. Can we bring some clarity to your point.

See we can make lots of outlandish “could” statements... like I can say if we do nothing to stop covid, it could kill everyone!

But would it? Would means we need to actually look at this with some logic, and use some evidence to support what we are saying. I can no longer say something like covid would kill everyone if we let it spread.

So sure, the WHO can “say whatever they like with no filter for garbage”and make all sorts of “what could happen”. It’s really safe to say anything could happen when you don’t want to be scientific about it. Not only did you say 10 percent, but you also say that’s being conservative, which is completely idiotic. I think you made it up. It’s all made up garbage and no one can take you seriously.

I do like irony!

[montado]

The question was asked, what could potentially have happened had COVID-19 been allowed to "run its course" and to "cull the heard". It would have been an unmitigated disaster.

What could have happened? Or what would have happened. You are mixing up words. Can we bring some clarity to your point.

See we can make lots of outlandish “could” statements... like I can say if we do nothing to stop covid, it could kill everyone!

But would it? Would means we need to actually look at this with some logic, and use some evidence to support what we are saying. I can no longer say something like covid would kill everyone if we let it spread.

So sure, the WHO can “say whatever they like with no filter for garbage”and make all sorts of “what could happen”. It’s really safe to say anything could happen when you don’t want to be scientific about it. Not only did you say 10 percent, but you also say that’s being conservative, which is completely idiotic. I think you made it up. It’s all made up garbage and no one can take you seriously.

I do like irony!

The irony that you hold internet strangers to the same standard as the main agency responsible for pandemic guidance for the world? Surely you can forgive me for my garbage talk

10 percent death rate! Aha I thought I heard it all but the number keeps growing. Why don’t they just say everyone will die and maybe then we will all be convinced we need to take this a little more seriously... I can’t find this 10 percent figure published anywhere, so if anyone can link me to it that would be great.

[Rockie]

Ah spoken like a true liberal. Sexual assault is okay, as long as I can redirect the attention somewhere else. I wonder if the women he touched are thinking... “well at least trumps not prez anymore, life could be worse”

Liberals are the biggest hypocrites.

How many women have accused Trump of assaulting them again? 26 or something. That's not including the ones who just want to forget the disgusting pig exists or the ones he illegally paid off. Seriously Montado, do you really want to play that game?

Oh look at rockie go! Double down! The demotard can do no harm. Tell us more whataboutisims. What about trump! Sexual harassment is okay if you are a democrat! See, we can just use a what about trump here and what about trump there... then the sexual harassment disappears... I’ll just keep doubling down and talking about trump and it all disappears.

So much for equality, inclusion, women’s rights and all things liberals stand for. Those things only matter to rockie when it’s convenient, he’s even willing to double down to show everyone how so.

You dragged Cuomo into this, nobody else has mentioned him or sexual assault, and nobody here including me is defending him. You are delusional, and childishly trying to deflect, distract, and desperately trying to find some pathetic way to bash liberals. You are a joke.

[flymore]

The WHO put out a prediction very early on as to what would likely occur. The numbers are far from being rosy.

So, 10% of 5.46 Billion equals (roughly) 546,000,000 (546 Million) deaths by the end of 2020.

How anyone could think that "letting things run their course" would be a good idea is fucking beyond me, because there's no way any semblance of normality would ever return to the planet with an unmitigated disaster of that size and scope.

This is the sort of misinformed fear mongering that is causing the mass hysteria. To be clear, initial WHO incorrect predictions based on Wuhan data was 3.4%.

Here is the most comprehensive PEER REVIEWED study published by the very same WHO, a few months later, which analyzed data from 14 countries and 51 cities. https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_fir ... 265892.pdf

It states that median infection fatality rate for all ages is 0.23% (FYI median infection fatality rate for the flu is 0.1%).

COVID Infection fatality rate for below age 70 is 0.05%.

All of the above matches CDC data.

Science requires constant analysis and review and change. Yet, most of the world is stuck in the addiction to fear from early incorrect predictions.

We have committed the single biggest miscalculation of risk in history. All of this peer reviewed and government public health data is referenced in the PDF in the original post, along with other information. (See COVID Mortality Section and Government Response section)

covid facts every canadian should know (but most don't) - mar 01 2021 rev 1.1.pdf

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Or you can listen to the MSM and live in your echo chamber...

[montado]

An IFR of 0.23 percent sounds like a reasonable guess. It is estimated cases in the USA could be multiplied by 10 to get the actual number of people who had covid. That takes you to nearly 100 percent of their population. An IFR of 0.23 would be 760 deaths in America if everyone got covid there.

Looks like America experienced the “worst case”, they basically reached herd immunity naturally. I don’t think they want an award for this. The world is not envious of this (yet). Time will tell if America comes out ahead. They now have the ability to open up with much less risk to their population. We are kind of stuck where we are with less immunity and more fear and hysteria.

These numbers also align with Canada, we have probably experienced infection in about 25 percent of our population.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/21/cdc ... -19-cases/


What’s the good news for America?
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/can- ... than-once/

Reinfection is rare. You bods will build up antibodies... if you do get infected again your symptoms may be less as you build a resistance. I’d say with or without a vaccine, the virus will have a hard time sustaining itself in America. If you can’t get over your fear at this point what does it take?

[Rockie]

Again, that PDF flymore keeps pushing was written by a pilot. While this pilot is I’m sure a terrific pilot, he is not a scientist nor a journalist. He is a pilot. This document is not a scientific paper, it is an opinion piece written to express his point of view and as such it is a 64 page Avcanada post.

[montado]

Again, that PDF flymore keeps pushing was written by a pilot. While this pilot is I’m sure a terrific pilot, he is not a scientist nor a journalist. He is a pilot. This document is not a scientific paper, it is an opinion piece written to express his point of view and as such it is a 64 page Avcanada post.

Poster puts up a PDF with information, provides sources, information appears consistent with reality...
Other poster claims they are being conservative when they say covid could have had a 10 percent death rate according to the WHO, can’t even provide a link to this claim from even the the most shitty news source. The 10 percent claim is completely idiotic and not even remotely consistent with anything we have seen. Not even doomvilla or tam makes any statement or predictions remotely close to this...

Then rockie comes out with his weak argument to dismiss the entire post that provides sources. And while there could be some opinions and maybe not all the information is 100 percent fact he dismisses it because the post was made by a pilot. He can’t even articulate one argument to refute one single point that was made.

Is this completely idiotic? Can anyone take any of these doomers seriously? It’s apparent these lockdowns have caused a mental health crisis larger than anyone could have predicted.

[Rockie]

Then rockie comes out with his weak argument to dismiss the entire post that provides sources. And while there could be some opinions and maybe not all the information is 100 percent fact he dismisses it because the post was made by a pilot. He can’t even articulate one argument to refute one single point that was made.

Your reading ability is concerning Montado, I did not dismiss the PDF. I put it in the proper context as something produced by a pilot containing the opinions of a pilot. It is in fact a 64 page Avcanada post a lot longer, but no more scientifically legitimate than anything you write. If the person who produced it has any scientific credentials backing up his opinions this would be a good time to point them out.

This document is being flogged as a significant piece of work, and the author should have offered straight up what his background and qualifications relevant to the subject are. It's called full disclosure.

[montado]

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[Rockie]

Haha. Is that a screen shot from your Saturday morning cartoons Montado? C'mon little boy, it's time to get dressed.

[2R]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/co ... r-BB1exZpt

More fake news ?