Can Tourism Operators Survive Another Year of Border Closure?

[Bug_Stomper_01]

JT now hinting that the land border may remain closed until September "or later".

It’ll stay closed for another couple years at this rate.

[garfield]

Flair's gonna reopen the border?!

[Inverted2]

They're expanding the gulag hotels so why not?

"The federal government says it's adding more quarantine hotels to its approved list to make sure enough rooms are available for returning travellers.

It's also warning travellers that if they can't secure a room before they're due to arrive in Canada, they should change their planned arrival dates if they don't want to risk being sent to a designated quarantine facility.

As of Feb. 22, most air passengers entering Canada must comply with new travel measures that include a three-day hotel quarantine. Passengers must pre-book their quarantine hotel stay before arriving in Canada."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pandem ... -1.5947515

[Rockie]

They're expanding the gulag hotels so why not?

How can you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously?

https://www.britannica.com/place/Gulag

['97 Tercel]

['97 Tercel]

For all majority of people who think our government sucks and needs to do better; why did ya all vote liberal? I know i voted for anyone else but. Hopefully we can mobilize this feeling to theow these jokers out. Make it a repeat of 1984 reduce them to a shadow of their former selves. But I don’t believe that will happen because canadians are suckers for a lie.

One thing i do know is that the parliment of Britain sat all through the second world war under the threat of bombs. What did our “leaders” do. Hid like cowards. And the press jerked each other off telling us how they are doing a “good job”. We used to be leaders in vaccination research and medical science. Not since 1950 have we been a world power in ANYTHING.

I know of at least 3 or 4 businesses that have closed up in Nova Scotia without even looking hard. But that’s the way these assholes want it. Everyone dependent on the government’s tit. Paid by our children and their children. I remember asshat’s dad and the bills that were due during my youth and lost opportunities because of it. Now we owe over 1 TRILLION DOLLARS! Tell your kids and grandkids we voted for a virtue signaling blackface wearing minstrel. But he was so dreamy!

Wake up and smell the welfare lines everyone. Thank christ i am Finincially independent.

Wow, crazy...what the hell does your mostly incoherent anti government and mostly non sensical BS have to do with the possibility of having to show proof of an inoculation in order to travel? Take your vitriol and find a site that caters to your opinions. This is an aviation (well mostly) site.

Mods, you have to do better to ensure this non aviation anti govt. drivel is moderated. It was entertaining for about ten minutes and now it's driving people away.

Yeah exactly! Anything posted on this site that I disagree with should be censored!!

Now I'm stressed and need to go find a calm space where I feel safe..

[Rockie]

I remember asshat’s dad and the bills that were due during my youth and lost opportunities because of it. Now we owe over 1 TRILLION DOLLARS! Tell your kids and grandkids we voted for a virtue signaling blackface wearing minstrel. But he was so dreamy

Funny you should remember Sr. but don’t remember the debt rising under supposedly fiscal conservatives, or the fact that the last time surpluses were made was under a liberal government. And inexplicably the fact there’s been a global pandemic the last 12 months has completely escaped you, as has the consequences if the government didn’t spend a boatload of money. Are you one of the people bitching about the debt and lack of airline sector relief from the government at the same time?

[Rockie]

JT now hinting that the land border may remain closed until September "or later".

The overall situation is going to change quickly this summer so the government needs to start talking about a Covid exit strategy. If for no reason other than to reassure Canadians that they have one.

[Rockie]

Comparing Paul Martin‘s liberals to gropey macblackfaces‘ liberals is farcical. But you knew that already. Haha, pepper spray them or fund them. There should be laws preventing teachers and authors from becoming politicians.

I don’t know who gropey macblackface is, but would you have preferred the government did not add to the debt these last 12 months?

[sanjet]

The overall situation is going to change quickly this summer so the government needs to start talking about a Covid exit strategy. If for no reason other than to reassure Canadians that they have one.

Given how the fed botched the vaccines, I don’t think the libs have planned that far.

[Rockie]

There’s plenty the federal government can and should do better. However their responsibility re: vaccines is to give them regulatory approval and acquire them on behalf of the provinces and territories. Everything else is up to the provinces and territories. I’m curious what you think the federal government could have done better with vaccines short of sending an armed JTF2 team to seize them?

[montado]

There’s plenty the federal government can and should do better. However their responsibility re: vaccines is to give them regulatory approval and acquire them on behalf of the provinces and territories. Everything else is up to the provinces and territories. I’m curious what you think the federal government could have done better with vaccines short of sending an armed JTF2 team to seize them?

Between Trudeau and Ford, Ford has absolutely been worse at handling the pandemic. The bulk of pandemic policy is in the hands of the provinces.

I’m just surprised to hear rockie talking about “covid exit strategy” . The exit strategy will have to be a psychological shift. Maybe they should just stop counting covid cases, if we didn’t know how many daily cases we have what would people be afraid of?

[PostmasterGeneral]

There’s plenty the federal government can and should do better. However their responsibility re: vaccines is to give them regulatory approval and acquire them on behalf of the provinces and territories. Everything else is up to the provinces and territories. I’m curious what you think the federal government could have done better with vaccines short of sending an armed JTF2 team to seize them?

Alberta, BC, and Saskatchewan all wanted to source their own vaccines because Trudope was taking too long. Alberta was even set to manufacture their own. Idiot in Ottawa realized this would make him look bad, and put the kaibosh on the whole works, regardless of health Canada approval.

I know you're a big JT fan Rockie, but you can't deny he was asleep at the wheel for this whole vaccine procurement process. He screwed up. Not his party, not health Canada, HIM. More people are vaccinated in the USA in a single day than the entirety of people we have been able to manage since the start of the campaign. His deal with China backfired, and while the rest of the world had their place in line, he was left in the cold, pud in hand, going to the UN for handouts. Third world countries should be doing that, not Canada. The fact that he gets on TV now and proudly touts how many vaccines are "on order" is far too little, too late. Take a trip to the States, they're back to normal. Business as usual. "What Covid?" So are many other countries in the world, and here we are, the embarrassment of the world.

[Rockie]

And if we never counted cases there wouldn’t have been a pandemic, nobody would have gotten sick or died, and the world would still be humming along just like it always has.

Damn those Covid counters...

[montado]

And if we never counted cases there wouldn’t have been a pandemic, nobody would have gotten sick or died, and the world would still be humming along just like it always has.

Damn those Covid counters...

Did you count cases and deaths through flu season in 2018 to see if it was safe to go outside?

Of course covid would still exist, covid will likely be around 5 years from now. How will anyone ever function again right? Government needs everyone to ba afraid of something then when we forget and move in from that we move to the next thing.

How much counting do you do of zika? Influenza? Ebola? Terrorisim? Those things don’t need to be counted right, even though they still exist. After people run out of steam counting covid there will be the next thing to keep count of. Something new for rockie to be afraid of.

[Rockie]

Alberta, BC, and Saskatchewan all wanted to source their own vaccines because Trudope was taking too long. Alberta was even set to manufacture their own. Idiot in Ottawa realized this would make him look bad, and put the kaibosh on the whole works, regardless of health Canada approval.

I know you're a big JT fan Rockie, but you can't deny he was asleep at the wheel for this whole vaccine procurement process. He screwed up. Not his party, not health Canada, HIM. More people are vaccinated in the USA in a single day than the entirety of people we have been able to manage since the start of the campaign. His deal with China backfired, and while the rest of the world had their place in line, he was left in the cold, pud in hand, going to the UN for handouts. Third world countries should be doing that, not Canada. The fact that he gets on TV now and proudly touts how many vaccines are "on order" is far too little, too late. Take a trip to the States, they're back to normal. Business as usual. "What Covid?" So are many other countries in the world, and here we are, the embarrassment of the world.

There’s a question of legal responsibility that provinces cannot just circumvent at their will, and the federal government cannot just abdicate. You’re also making a huge unlikely assumption that a province would have more influence in the procurement process than the nation. Highly doubtful.

The US is doing better than us, but they are far from being back to normal, certain delusional elements in the US just think they are. And those are mostly the people who refuse to acknowledge there’s even a pandemic. Most of the vaccines are also US produced so there’s that.

You know I’m a big JT fan? You don’t know shit.

[Rockie]

Did you count cases and deaths through flu season in 2018 to see if it was safe to go outside?

Of course covid would still exist, covid will likely be around 5 years from now. How will anyone ever function again right? Government needs everyone to ba afraid of something then when we forget and move in from that we move to the next thing.

How much counting do you do of zika? Influenza? Ebola? Terrorisim? Those things don’t need to be counted right, even though they still exist. After people run out of steam counting covid there will be the next thing to keep count of. Something new for rockie to be afraid of.

Of course Canada has our own delusional people.

[complexintentions]

Comparing Paul Martin‘s liberals to gropey macblackfaces‘ liberals is farcical. But you knew that already. Haha, pepper spray them or fund them. There should be laws preventing teachers and authors from becoming politicians.

I don’t know who gropey macblackface is, but would you have preferred the government did not add to the debt these last 12 months?

Right, right...there really weren't those three times (!!) Justin Trudeau admitted to donning blackface, it probably just slipped your mind. And the great legal efforts made to keep the reasons for him being dismissed from West Point Grey hidden were due to them being so banal, no doubt. He's a true feminist after all, just ask Jody Wilson-Raybould or Jane Philpott.

But re: the debt. There's adding to, and then there's increasing it beyond what any other wealthy nation has done per capita, although I see Canada has slipped to #2 behind Japan now. I'm sure the title will be recaptured if the Liberals ever deign to release a budget again. I mean, how can someone with all of Freeland's financial acumen not be up to the task?

No need to play coy about the need for spending, of course it was needed, in a big way. But there's big spending and then there's such a massive infusion of borrowed government money that a global pandemic has actually helped Canadians earn and save more than they did the year before the pandemic. That's not just perverse. How is that not the definition of not just slight, but total overreach?

Not to mention the money is hardly all for Covid. Tons of it is being earmarked for all kinds of new social programs to "build back better". Using Covid to camouflage a massive ideological agenda. Never waste a crisis, after all. The amount of spending would be slightly more tolerable if it was all for a singular crisis, but much of it is set to become systemic, like universal pharmacare. Good idea in principle, not a clue offered how it will be financed.

Setting aside the fact that Stephen Harper is not the Prime Minister of Canada, has not been for five years, and as such constantly trying to minimize the failures of the current government with comparisons to one long gone is pretty weak...his 56 billion dollar deficit in 2009-10 does seem like rather small potatoes to the Trudeau Liberals™ 380 billion.

No one even really knows just how much more of YOUR money this party will spend. They haven't released a budget in over two years. Where is the Opposition? Why do Canadians just sit there and take this shit? Oh, right. Ignoring democratic principles is easier to accept when you're being handsomely bribed with your own money.

Fun fact: if you take the 170 billion dollar debt Pierre Trudeau ran up (and this is not even adjusting for inflation from the 70's, that's just the nominal figure) and add it to the over 400 billion of debt Junior has added...more than half of the trillion-dollar Canadian national debt accrued since 1867 has been at the hands of just two Prime Ministers. Both with the same last name. I mean, fool me once...? (Let's not talk about the combined provincial debt, you'll just weep for your great-grandchildren.)

Truth is, I couldn't care less what party is in power, I only point out that current government is the weakest of any ever in history with the worst possible timing for that to be the case. I would take Harper, Martin, Chretien, Mulroney, over the criminally inept, hypocritical, pathologically self-serving PM currently in place.

And I'm just relieved I won't responsible for paying one cent of the debt back in the form of taxes.

[complexintentions]

There’s plenty the federal government can and should do better. However their responsibility re: vaccines is to give them regulatory approval and acquire them on behalf of the provinces and territories. Everything else is up to the provinces and territories. I’m curious what you think the federal government could have done better with vaccines short of sending an armed JTF2 team to seize them?

Let's talk about that "acquisition".

- The decision to partner with China (!!) to produce a vaccine. It fell through so,
- The decision to order more doses/person than any other nation on the planet. Cause, y'know, good optics, damn the supply chain realities.
- The refusal to play ball with big pharma that wanted to manufacture in Canada, ie wouldn't give the financial incentives desired so they went elsewhere. Considering that the Liberals are obviously not shy about spending public money, a bizarrely short-sighted decision that sealed the fate of being at the mercy of suppliers elsewhere, and dramatically behind other countries' rollout as Canada is (SURPRISE!) now.
- The belated reversal to trying to manufacture domestically - but, can't consider the bid of a potential vaccine manufacturer based in Calgary, oh no. Can't adapt a current manufacturing flu vaccine facility to crank out Covid-19 vax, oh no. Have to build one from scratch, in, quel surprise, Montreal. Should be operational sometime in 2022. Time is of the essence, but apparently not quite as important as slopping the partisan trough. Meanwhile the groundwork for the sister Novovax plant in Prague was laid in...March 2020, and is already operational, just waiting for the regulatory approvals.
- Then, dipping into the Covax pool intended primarily for poorer nations, because well, they have to somehow try and patch over all the previous screw-ups. Pearson would be spinning in his grave.

The preceding list is only a few things off the top of my head I might have liked the federal government to have done better. Since you ask. It is really hard to comprehend how this management can't really be met with anything other than contempt? I get that the will to challenge the government's performance has been sapped by the huge doses of CERB money and free loans and rent subsidies and mortgage deferrals etc, but come on.

Don't get me wrong, the provinces have had their share of shitshows as well, the latest in BC where the online booking system they set up promptly collapsed because, y'know, they've only had a year to set something like that up.

But as you say, the onus is on the federal government to acquire the vaccines and in that acquisition they have abjectly failed. Not sure you can really blame provinces for not distributing something they haven't been provided with?

To put it in perspective, even the DONALD TRUMP government had more success getting the vaccination research, manufacturing and distribution process up and running. (They were well on track to hit their 100-day target long before Biden was inaugurated and claimed the slogan.)

And the UK, if you prefer a more socialist health system comparison. I had my first Pfizer shot last week. And it's entirely likely I'll receive my 2nd dose in 12 weeks before my parents 30+ years older in Canada will even be offered their first. Shameful.

But hey, the Liberals tried their best, what's an extra few months of economic misery and devastation between friends, really?

[Rockie]

But as you say, the onus is on the federal government to acquire the vaccines and in that acquisition they have abjectly failed.

36.5 million doses by early summer, 118 million by the end of September. You measure failure by a strange metric.

And I'm just relieved I won't responsible for paying one cent of the debt back in the form of taxes.

Yes, I know.

[Kejidog]

Stop it with all your “antigovernment rants” someone might cry and try to get you banned for not talking about flying!

And yes we are a laughingstock with the worst leadership in our history. This clown makes RB Bennett look good.


But hey he’s so dreamy and is known the world over for his fancy sox and cool dance moves!!

[CruiserNU]

So ....

How many jobs in the tourism industry (specifically in the fly-in fishing lodge business) do you think are at stake?

I don't imagine there will be much call for pilots, guides, camp helpers, cooks, managers, dock boys or handymen this summer. I'm surprised that any of the lodges survived the disastrous 2020 season. It will be a miracle if there are any of them left by the end of 2021.

And the amazing thing is - nobody seems to care! Certainly not the average Canadian voter, who seems content to have the border restrictions in place permanently.

[Dh8Classic]

But as you say, the onus is on the federal government to acquire the vaccines and in that acquisition they have abjectly failed.

36.5 million doses by early summer, 118 million by the end of September. You measure failure by a strange metric.

That is what happens when you listen to Rockie. How many died today? No early summer for them as Covid moves fast.