Air Canada and Transat A.T. Inc agree to terminate Arrangement Agreement

[Dh8Classic]

Sort of followed the threads but not too closely. Were there really some nasty posts by AT pilots or just people being overly sensitive. Post a few that were bad, if any exist.

[FL030]

There was but it could be anyone trying to rile people up. Just like people are posting nasty things as AC pilots now. The deal is dead so it's in the past. Good luck to all Transat employees.

[goingnowherefast]

If the government is going to get all horny about saving Quebec jobs, one would hope they will think more broadly and look at the whole industry. I also worry about those who used to work at WJ, and nobody made a political move to save their jobs.

[ayseven]

Careful what you wish for; Peladeau is not a nice guy to work for by all accounts. Ask the Journal de Montreal employees about that. And why did nobody make a move to save WJ jobs? Maybe because if it isn't the oil industry, Alberta's governments don't care. While we are on that topic, Air Canada now has even more money in their pockets now, and I certainly hope they get 0 from the feds. As a taxpayer, I don't like seeing my dollars go to increasing share value, much as I might sympathise with everyone who has suffered during this pandemic.

[Thorjones]

Without a doubt the TS pilots were much bigger trolls.

At the end of the day this is a huge win for AC pilots and the company.

Agreed and refused to admit they needed this deal to save their jobs even before this pandemic!
Transat constantly was bleeding money during a time where every other major airline in Canada was able to turn a profit.
They won the lottery with this deal and refused to admit it, playing the "we didn't ask for this" card. No you didn't, but you desperately needed it.


But in saying all the above, I want to add.....I'm glad this deal is dead, my "precious senority" is safe now. I want Transat to come out of this better than ever and I wish every employee at Transat the best. I want them all to have jobs and be able to feed their families.

[redbusdriver]

transat pilots are quiet on here now. likely working on their app again to come here > botl dont worry we welcome you all now

[Dias]

transat pilots are quiet on here now. likely working on their app again to come here > botl dont worry we welcome you all now

I read this with a French accent in my head automatically for some reason.

[redbusdriver]

don't be silly ****, but i can do a good accent. just happy with the outcome and tired of the gloat and bs we had to endure form the ts side. going forward i'll refrain from commenting on this topic further, and as mentioned welcome future ts pilots should they need to reapply here.

[RRJetPilot]

Not all TS guys gloated. I have one that was very thankful, happy, and humble about it, he is a bit junior. Then I had another that was totally cocky, laughed, and said he will take my seniority etc, he is 6 years in at TS. So I feel really bad for some of the guys at TS but not for others. And im glad there is no seniority war now. Also I'm 100% sure TS will get new investors and will be fine.

[tsgas]

Careful what you wish for; Peladeau is not a nice guy to work for by all accounts. Ask the Journal de Montreal employees about that. And why did nobody make a move to save WJ jobs? Maybe because if it isn't the oil industry, Alberta's governments don't care. While we are on that topic, Air Canada now has even more money in their pockets now, and I certainly hope they get 0 from the feds. As a taxpayer, I don't like seeing my dollars go to increasing share value, much as I might sympathise with everyone who has suffered during this pandemic.

Your anti Alberta view has been noted . WJ has been the most profitable airline in Canada during the past 25 years , whereas TS has been bleeding cash way before the pandemic.

[simply_no_one]

Careful what you wish for; Peladeau is not a nice guy to work for by all accounts. Ask the Journal de Montreal employees about that. And why did nobody make a move to save WJ jobs? Maybe because if it isn't the oil industry, Alberta's governments don't care. While we are on that topic, Air Canada now has even more money in their pockets now, and I certainly hope they get 0 from the feds. As a taxpayer, I don't like seeing my dollars go to increasing share value, much as I might sympathise with everyone who has suffered during this pandemic.

Your anti Alberta view has been noted . WJ has been the most profitable airline in Canada during the past 25 years , whereas TS has been bleeding cash way before the pandemic.

Westjet has been the most profitable in Canada for the last 25 years? Show that data... I'm curious.

[Dias]

My concern is that Transat had a negative impact on AC pilot WAWCON (Rouge) even when it was doing well, now that it might be operating at reduced cost basis it could have an even greater negative impact AC pilots and the whole industry in general since they set the bar.

[tsgas]

Careful what you wish for; Peladeau is not a nice guy to work for by all accounts. Ask the Journal de Montreal employees about that. And why did nobody make a move to save WJ jobs? Maybe because if it isn't the oil industry, Alberta's governments don't care. While we are on that topic, Air Canada now has even more money in their pockets now, and I certainly hope they get 0 from the feds. As a taxpayer, I don't like seeing my dollars go to increasing share value, much as I might sympathise with everyone who has suffered during this pandemic.

Your anti Alberta view has been noted . WJ has been the most profitable airline in Canada during the past 25 years , whereas TS has been bleeding cash way before the pandemic.

Westjet has been the most profitable in Canada for the last 25 years? Show that data... I'm curious.

Prove me wrong. That's something that I would like to see.

[simply_no_one]

Your anti Alberta view has been noted . WJ has been the most profitable airline in Canada during the past 25 years , whereas TS has been bleeding cash way before the pandemic.

Westjet has been the most profitable in Canada for the last 25 years? Show that data... I'm curious.

Prove me wrong. That's something that I would like to see.

You're the one making the claim, not me. So surely you have some data to back up the claim?

[fish4life]

It would be ironic if this goes on for a while and the Quebec gov acquired a portion of Transat for aid only for AC to go through hard times and have Transat purchase AC down the road in a weird twisted way of the Quebec gov buying part of AC

[tsgas]

It would be ironic if this goes on for a while and the Quebec gov acquired a portion of Transat for aid only for AC to go through hard times and have Transat purchase AC down the road in a weird twisted way of the Quebec gov buying part of AC

Now that's just silly.

[pelmet]

Would they want AC pilots at BOTL.

[ayseven]

Mr Gas: I and many others have been paying through our taxes so Alberta oil companies to get them to produce in the oil sands - they wouldn't otherwise. It is about time those producers did something for the people of Alberta, and quit blaming everyone else all the time. Money flows all over the place, and sometimes we don't agree with where it goes, or how much, but that is our system. My family comes from Alberta, and I care about it.

Back to original programming... I hope Transat hires more people, as I do WJ, AC and all the others. You guys need work. Keeps the mind positive.

[Gino Under]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle/tra ... li=AAggFp5

This bun fight soon won't matter. It looks like politics, company favouritism, provincial bias, CBAs, or simple ignorance won’t matter either.
Have a nice day.

Gino Under

[Chaxterium]

Your anti Alberta view has been noted . WJ has been the most profitable airline in Canada during the past 25 years , whereas TS has been bleeding cash way before the pandemic.

Westjet has been the most profitable in Canada for the last 25 years? Show that data... I'm curious.

Prove me wrong. That's something that I would like to see.

Yeah that's not how it works. You don't just get to make a bold claim and then demand that other people prove you wrong. YOU made a strong claim. YOU need to provide strong evidence.

[tsgas]

Westjet has been the most profitable in Canada for the last 25 years? Show that data... I'm curious.

Prove me wrong. That's something that I would like to see.

Yeah that's not how it works. You don't just get to make a bold claim and then demand that other people prove you wrong. YOU made a strong claim. YOU need to provide strong evidence.

Nope , it's like Sgt Friday would say " just the facts. mam".

[altiplano]

Mr Gas: I and many others have been paying through our taxes so Alberta oil companies to get them to produce in the oil sands - they wouldn't otherwise. It is about time those producers did something for the people of Alberta, and quit blaming everyone else all the time. Money flows all over the place, and sometimes we don't agree with where it goes, or how much, but that is our system. My family comes from Alberta, and I care about it.

Back to original programming... I hope Transat hires more people, as I do WJ, AC and all the others. You guys need work. Keeps the mind positive.

It's called the highest average income in the country, lowest unemployment, lowest sales tax, lowest average income tax... it's called the Alberta Heritage Fund, the poor management of is another story...

All I see though is that companies want to do business, they want to get their product to market, and they're being prevented by politicians and provinces that at the same time have a hand in their pockets. While at the same time we import that product from foreign dictators with poor labour and environmental and human rights standards.

It cracks me up when people say "my tax dollars" and you're guilty of it in numerous occasions on this board. But the fact is that it's not your tax dollars, it's the POTENTIAL tax dollars created when you promote or support or sustain an industry. It's those people's tax dollars and that creates a positive return for the government and citizens of this country.

[altiplano]

Prove me wrong. That's something that I would like to see.

Yeah that's not how it works. You don't just get to make a bold claim and then demand that other people prove you wrong. YOU made a strong claim. YOU need to provide strong evidence.

Nope , it's like Sgt Friday would say " just the facts. mam".

I think WJ has had the longest sustained profitability. But absent the numbers, I'm not sure you can say the most profitable.

You certainly can't say "the most profitable" over the last 5 or even 10 years... but I'm not crunching numbers going back further.

[tsgas]

Yeah that's not how it works. You don't just get to make a bold claim and then demand that other people prove you wrong. YOU made a strong claim. YOU need to provide strong evidence.

Nope , it's like Sgt Friday would say " just the facts. mam".

I think WJ has had the longest sustained profitability. But absent the numbers, I'm not sure you can say the most profitable.

You certainly can't say "the most profitable" over the last 5 or even 10 years... but I'm not crunching numbers going back further.

Yes the "most profitable" when you compare the ROI and the ROE for the entire 25 year span. You are thinking , the biggest profit , which is not the same. The company invested a lot of their cash flow into actually buying airplanes rather then leasing their entire fleet like TS did.

[Outlaw58]

It's Russell's teapot!!

Russell's teapot is an analogy, formulated by the philosopher Bertrand Russell, to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making unfalsifiable claims, rather than shifting the burden of disproof to others.

Russell specifically applied his analogy in the context of religion. He wrote that if he were to assert, without offering proof, that a teapot, too small to be seen by telescopes, orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, he could not expect anyone to believe him solely because his assertion could not be proven wrong.

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