I'm going to court

[Yycjetdriver]

So to prove a point that the hearing test was a waste of your time/money, you’re now going to spend far more time/money in court. You sure showed them....

[trey kule]

After reading everyone’s posts....

1. Is this a troll? If so, Kudos to the OP.

Or

2. Is it a legitimate post? If so, TC might consider cognitive testing as well as an audiogram.

It is great flying with cockpit lawyers, is it not?

[TG]

Last September I received a letter from the TC medical officer requesting I get a hearing test, I sent him back a fax letter stating that PM Doug Ford told me to stay at home because of the Coranavirus, guess what, two weeks ago I received a letter from TC who cancelled by pilot licence, So now I will go before the tribunal to fight to get my pilot licence back. the thing is there's nothing wrong with my hearing.

I had the same thing, TC requesting I get a hearing test back in August I think (I suspect clinically indicated in my case) Which I did and faxed my results back. But I never heard from them since and was wondering about.


According to your timeframe, it looks like I'm ok after all

[anofly]

Why Why Why has the language on this forum become so extreme? ... "DISCUSSION" does not need a winner or a loser....

[Aussiecat]

Why Why Why has the language on this forum become so extreme? ... "DISCUSSION" does not need a winner or a loser....

Pretty much the reason I only come to this forum for a quick look at the 'Jobs' section

[redlaser]

I'm still waiting to hear from the tribunal appeal court in Ottawa, I sent them a fax requesting a hearing on the matter, no pun intended, It pisses me off that the chief medical officer in Toronto can request a audiogram test out of the blue, like many of you said I could have gone for an audiogram and passed with flying colours, a self test with a computer application showed my hearing from 10db's to 10,000 dbs, which far exceeds the hearing requirement, my next medical examination is due in May, but in the meantime my pilot licence is suspended, I'm in good health so getting my pilot licence back is not a problem in the meantime I'll have my friends fly my plane and I can be the passanger, And to the person who said you can't win with TC, I beg to differ, They OFTEN lose.

[photofly]

I’m actually quite happy that TC does request hearing tests on the pilots who share the sky with me; god knows some of them need it tested.

By the way, joking aside, regulation 404.04(3) allows the minister to do exactly what you are fighting against.

[switchflicker]

I'm still waiting to hear from the tribunal appeal court in Ottawa, I sent them a fax requesting a hearing on the matter, no pun intended, It pisses me off that the chief medical officer in Toronto can request a audiogram test out of the blue, like many of you said I could have gone for an audiogram and passed with flying colours, a self test with a computer application showed my hearing from 10db's to 10,000 dbs, which far exceeds the hearing requirement, my next medical examination is due in May, but in the meantime my pilot licence is suspended, I'm in good health so getting my pilot licence back is not a problem in the meantime I'll have my friends fly my plane and I can be the passanger, And to the person who said you can't win with TC, I beg to differ, They OFTEN lose.

redlaser, you keep saying the test was called for 'out of the blue'.
Why don't you confirm (or deny) that you just turned 55 years of age.
All of us that are 56 or older have gone through the requirement 'out of the blue'.
If you are indeed not 'of age' then perhaps there is some room for sympathy in your quarrel with those who issued your licence.
You must know that the first thing the tribunal will look for is your age.

[switchflicker]

Another thing that might help you become a Winner is to listen carefully to The Winner by Bobby Bare.
You really do sound like a Winner to me

[photofly]

It pisses me off that the chief medical officer in Toronto can request a audiogram test out of the blue,

It may piss you off, but unfortunately for your case, the minister is explicitly granted that power in law.

[BGH]

I went for my Cat 1 renewal a couple of years ago & doctor asked for a hearing test - just had one at work so I gave him the card; told me that it didn’t meet transport’s format but he would submit it to them.Their answer was a letter suspending my Cat 1 until I provided a valid hearing test so I went to a transport approved place & then submitted the new hearing test results & had my medical back within a week.

Daryl

[redbusdriver]

And to the person who said you can't win with TC, I beg to differ, They OFTEN lose.

yup, i fought them yrs ago an won. they are mostly idiots, have a solid case = ez win

[SpyPilot]

If and when you go into this tribunal will you have legal counsel at your side or are you going to represent yourself and have an idiot for a lawyer?

[Bede]

a self test with a computer application showed my hearing from 10db's to 10,000 dbs, which far exceeds the hearing requirement,

That's really loud. No wonder you don't have any hearing left.

[redlaser]

It's a tone like the sound on a piano, low keys high keys, nothing to do with being loud, But you already know that,

[photofly]

Sigh. Hz, meet dBA. dBA, meet Hz.

[redlaser]

It's a known fact that there is a hearing loss as we get older, it's also a fact that some people are completed deaf at a young age or have hearing loss due to their work environment, So for TC to request that I do an audiogram after I've been accessed by a TC approved medical doctor is a bit much, So what's the point in going through a medical when TC's medical doctor can request addition testing when he never had me as a patent, doesn't know my physical condition.

[digits_]

It's a known fact that there is a hearing loss as we get older, it's also a fact that some people are completed deaf at a young age or have hearing loss due to their work environment, So for TC to request that I do an audiogram after I've been accessed by a TC approved medical doctor is a bit much, So what's the point in going through a medical when TC's medical doctor can request addition testing when he never had me as a patent, doesn't know my physical condition.

Well, yes he does. He analyzes the paper your doctor sent in, and he checks the required tests based on age.

Try not sending in your ECG after X years, because your doc thinks you're fine.

[redlaser]

Talking about ECG 10 years the same doctor at TC requested that I see a cardiologist about my heart condition, I passed the test with flying colors and under a stress test as well running a mile on a treadmill for a mile, the cardiologist laughed at at TC medical officer stating that that doctor didn't know how to read an ECG printout, Just goes to show what kind of an idiot doctor works as chief medical officer st the TC office in Toronto.

[172_Captain]

a self test with a computer application showed my hearing from 10db's to 10,000 dbs, which far exceeds the hearing requirement,

That's really loud. No wonder you don't have any hearing left.

So loud in fact, it’s several orders of magnitude above the level (1,100dB) needed to destroy the entire universe!

https://www.discovery.com/science/Sound ... e-Universe

[Bede]

Sigh. Hz, meet dBA. dBA, meet Hz.

10^5 dBa corresponds to a pressure level of ~10^493 Pa. I don't even think the big bang generated that much pressure. Damn log scale.

[Air.Field]

I'm no fan of TC, so I wish you luck redlaser. I see your seeing some toys, hopefully not related to this.

[redlaser]

Not related, over the years I've accumulated a lot of manuals and stuff that is gathering dust, and I've should have sold years ago, I also own two aircraft, two more than most pilots on this site, nothing against renter pilots who fly a couple of hours a year and end up doing more check rides than actually solo flights, Aircraft ownership can be expensive, Just ask a flight school operator.

[stef]

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... lness.html

[MrWings]

So a trip to the audiologist is too much of a hassle for you but going to court isn't? Interesting choice.