CDC release study on masks during covid. Efficacy is 0.5-1.9 percent.

[Aviatard]

Texas update... cases still declining after two months of no mask policy. What does it take to convince the pro maskers that mask policy is ridiculous? Is two months of data not enough? Is a raging covid outbreak around the corner for Texas all because they don’t have mandatory mask policy?

Could it have anything to do with the > 24 million doses of vaccine administered?

[montado]

Texas update... cases still declining after two months of no mask policy. What does it take to convince the pro maskers that mask policy is ridiculous? Is two months of data not enough? Is a raging covid outbreak around the corner for Texas all because they don’t have mandatory mask policy?

Could it have anything to do with the > 24 million doses of vaccine administered?

Ontario is only about a month behind Texas in vaccines. So if that’s the case why are we still wearing masks? Not sure what Texas vaccine numbers were at Beginning of March when they dropped the mandate.

Why can’t people just accept how useless masks have been. Every time I post the case count a new way to rationalize the data comes in. Beginning of March everyone says cases are going to explode, a month ago we didn’t have enough data and we need to wait and see. Today, now it must be the vaccine is working.

Ok well since the vaccine is working let’s end mask policy. 24 million doses means Texas hasn’t fully vaccinated even half of their population. They are not far off from us but policy wise we look far different. So what gives?

[Aviatard]

Ok well since the vaccine is working let’s end mask policy. 24 million doses means Texas hasn’t fully vaccinated even half of their population. They are not far off from us but policy wise we look far different. So what gives?

I really admire your tenacity in wanting this to be true. Gotta love a guy who won't give up no matter what.

[montado]

Like I said we are only a month behind Texas. About a month ago texas hosted the bluejays to over 40k fans. Why are we so polarized? Why do people believe in masks? Even dr. Fauci couldn’t explain Texas numbers a few weeks ago. The very man responsible to make policy and who is the expert is stumped on this one. Yet the experts here always have an answer... must be conspiracy... when Texas dropped masks they must have changed testing to make the numbers conform to what they wanted right?

It can’t be vaccines here is Texas vs Ontario. Come up with some better ideas as to why masks are important for asymptomatic people. If you really believe it’s the vaccine then as soon as we hit Texas early March vaccine numbers can we go maskless too? Can we host MLB games?

I have a pretty simple answer as to why you see very little difference with or without masks. Decades of research on masks during flu season had shown it’s pretty much inconclusive that masks make a difference. Then comes covid... so you either believe covid transmission is kind of like the flu, or somehow covid somehow is way different in the way it transmits. The flu was always wash your hands to prevent the spread. Experts are convinced with covid that surface contact is very minimal source of transmission. I have my doubts, obviously. I think it kind of spreads just like the flu.

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[ReserveTank]

Masking is not about science. It's about control, coercion, and most of all, it is backed solely by emotional investment. Now the Aisle Donkeys Union wants to extend the mask mandate, possibly permanently. You don't need a majority agreement of the public to push the mask mandate, you only need enough highly emotional, unstable people. What better place to find this than the AFA?

Link to Congressional testimony in the site:
https://liveandletsfly.com/flight-atten ... permanent/

The argument is that it is a behavioural change akin to not smoking on an aircraft.
Time for cargo-only flights again. Send these donkeys home to graze.

[newlygrounded]

Masking is not about science. It's about control, coercion, and most of all, it is backed solely by emotional investment. Now the Aisle Donkeys Union wants to extend the mask mandate, possibly permanently. You don't need a majority agreement of the public to push the mask mandate, you only need enough highly emotional, unstable people. What better place to find this than the AFA?

Link to Congressional testimony in the site:
https://liveandletsfly.com/flight-atten ... permanent/

The argument is that it is a behavioural change akin to not smoking on an aircraft.
Time for cargo-only flights again. Send these donkeys home to graze.

Nothing screams stable and clam than calling your colleuges the "Aisle Donkeys"

[RRJetPilot]

Almost like a religion to some now. It can be also linked to group-think (Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome.)

[montado]

“We know from experience that the flying public is ready to adapt to new behaviors when instructions are clear and rules are enforced. Passengers learned to stop smoking, pack minimal fluids in their carry-ons, and turn off their cell phones for engine start and climb. They can readily adjust to wearing a mask if federal agencies clearly and repeatedly define both the expectation and the penalties for non-compliance.”

It makes sense though right? Apparently no one got the flu this year, and the mask is taking all the credit. Think of how many lives we could save if we all just wore masks all the time. We could also all wear helmets all the time in case we fall, or overhead luggage comes crashing down.

I envy the generations before me who were to dumb to protect themselves... Imagine flying prior to 9/11, and what the job was like. Look at us today. This is 20 years, many of you flew prior to 9/11. What will this job look like 20 years from now? I definitely see mandatory masks just becoming a permanent thing. This is the only logical way to live coming out on the other side of covid. Just like the socialists want the taxpayer or employers to fund sick days, do you think that is a temporary pandemic measure? Hell no... everyone wants paid sick days forever. All of these measures need to be permanent!

[Aviatard]

Masking is not about science. It's about control, coercion,

Who is controlling us? Are they in the room right now? Can you see them?

[BTD]

“We know from experience that the flying public is ready to adapt to new behaviors when instructions are clear and rules are enforced. Passengers learned to stop smoking, pack minimal fluids in their carry-ons, and turn off their cell phones for engine start and climb. They can readily adjust to wearing a mask if federal agencies clearly and repeatedly define both the expectation and the penalties for non-compliance.”

It makes sense though right? Apparently no one got the flu this year, and the mask is taking all the credit. Think of how many lives we could save if we all just wore masks all the time. We could also all wear helmets all the time in case we fall, or overhead luggage comes crashing down.

I envy the generations before me who were to dumb to protect themselves... Imagine flying prior to 9/11, and what the job was like. Look at us today. This is 20 years, many of you flew prior to 9/11. What will this job look like 20 years from now? I definitely see mandatory masks just becoming a permanent thing. This is the only logical way to live coming out on the other side of covid. Just like the socialists want the taxpayer or employers to fund sick days, do you think that is a temporary pandemic measure? Hell no... everyone wants paid sick days forever. All of these measures need to be permanent!

I detect the sarcasm, but on a serious note, it has been known since the 40s that one type of influenza strain will basically make a previously dominant one virtually disappear. And it seems to also do the same thing with other wide spread respiratory illnesses. It is not surprising in the least that there was very little flu this year masks or otherwise, given the history of respiratory illnesses. It seems why this happens though is still a mystery. Hell, the phenomenon even has a name.

Here is the reference:

THE VANISHING TRICK
...
A mystery indeed! The phenomenon, christened the vanishing trick, has characterized most subsequent major and minor antigenic changes of influenza A virus. Strains that have been causing all the type A influenza in the world for perhaps a dozen years will vanish and next season be replaced everywhere by a novel strain. In the case of minor antigenic changes the predecessor may have been prevalent for only one or two seasons over a large part of the earth's surface before it disappears and is replaced by a new minor variant.

The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza: Edgar Hope Simpson. 1992

[ReserveTank]

Masking is not about science. It's about control, coercion, and most of all, it is backed solely by emotional investment. Now the Aisle Donkeys Union wants to extend the mask mandate, possibly permanently. You don't need a majority agreement of the public to push the mask mandate, you only need enough highly emotional, unstable people. What better place to find this than the AFA?

Link to Congressional testimony in the site:
https://liveandletsfly.com/flight-atten ... permanent/

The argument is that it is a behavioural change akin to not smoking on an aircraft.
Time for cargo-only flights again. Send these donkeys home to graze.

Nothing screams stable and clam than calling your colleuges the "Aisle Donkeys"

Ah, I see what you did there.

[ReserveTank]

...one type of influenza strain will basically make a previously dominant one virtually disappear.

So does cable news.

[2R]

Ten years from now you will reach into an old coat and find a mask . You will chuckle to yourself and say what a weird year that was .
Then you’ll pick up your machete and continue across the wasteland , keeping to the shadows to avoid the roving gangs of cannibal raiders

[montado]

CDC is recommending to drop mask mandates for those vaccinated.

I found this interesting

One caveat to note: People with compromised immune systems should consult with their doctor before going without a mask, even if fully vaccinated, the CDC said.

Wait? What? I thought we all wore masks not to protect us, but to protect other people. What efficacy does a mask have for these people to wear it as PPE?

Can you smell bullshit? I have heard that line a thousand times that cloth masks don't protect the wearer. Yet if you are immune compromised... Yeah okay. let's just make someone keep wearing masks to make it see relevant.

[sstaurus]

Masking is not about science. It's about control, coercion,

Who is controlling us? Are they in the room right now? Can you see them?

As he types on his iphone which is on 24/7, "researching" on google, using quotation marks around "so-called" "experts"...

[ReserveTank]

Masking is not about science. It's about control, coercion,

Who is controlling us? Are they in the room right now? Can you see them?

As he types on his iphone which is on 24/7, "researching" on google, using quotation marks around "so-called" "experts"...

Here, you take a crack at the research. Which one of these guys is the vaccine expert again?

[Inverted2]

Who is controlling us? Are they in the room right now? Can you see them?

As he types on his iphone which is on 24/7, "researching" on google, using quotation marks around "so-called" "experts"...

Here, you take a crack at the research. Which one of these guys is the vaccine expert again?

[ReserveTank]

As he types on his iphone which is on 24/7, "researching" on google, using quotation marks around "so-called" "experts"...

Here, you take a crack at the research. Which one of these guys is the vaccine expert again?

They are standing considerably closer than 6 feet apart. Not something that an expert would recommend, pandemic or no.

[palebird]

At what point in time did people decide that the government(s) were all knowing and 100% percent trustworthy? They are only people and are as trustworthy as anyone else walking down the street. Which means they are not with very few exceptions. Lots of people have time on their hands. Read a little history. It repeats itself. Common sense conclusion. I surely hope that everyone understands "masks" that are not N95 type are doing nothing. A piece of cloth or fabric loosely or tightly fitted around your face does nothing except make you look stupid. That is a fact. Dispute it all you want. You are a fool. Does Covid 19 exist? Apparently. Are there treatments that are effective? Apparently. But the governments have done everything in their power to discredit these treatments. Whatever. What happened to the annual flu season? Did it magically disappear? Or was it so artfully disguised as Covid? Hmmm. What about these so called vaccines? They are, in fact, not vaccines as we have known them. They are mRNA concoctions that are being clinically trialed on the general population. Never been done before. Look it up. There is no way myself or anyone close to me is getting one of those shots. You must be out of your mind. Time will tell but mRNA is not something to be fooled with. Who in their right mind would listen to a "public health official"? About anything? The crowd is indeed dumb.

[ReserveTank]

I surely hope that everyone understands "masks" that are not N95 type are doing nothing. A piece of cloth or fabric loosely or tightly fitted around your face does nothing except make you look stupid. That is a fact. Dispute it all you want. You are a fool.

I've wondered what would happen if surgeons started to wear neck gaiters.

I think the rulemakers are well aware that certain (protected) demographics wouldn't easily comply with such a strict requirement, but they still needed some kind of compliance. In other words, the bar was lowered because the point was to cover the face, not necessarily to prevent viral transmission.

Imagine it's early summer 2020, and everyone is required to have K95 only. How many people would have been crowding in the streets if K95 was required?

[montado]

People are in denial about how dumb mask policy is.

Texas went maskless at the beginning of March. Canada has hit the same number of doses per capita as what the US had on March 1, by mid April.

We are about a month behind the US in immunization but years behind on policy. We see no link to efficacy when we compare cases and the media keeps pushing garbage out. One of the latest media articles was about a TTC employee who passed and they highlighted how over 1k employees with the TTC got covid. At first glance you think wow transit is so unsafe and they must not be doing enough... then you do the math and TTC employees have the same rate of covid infection as the general Toronto population.

You don’t say! It’s almost like it’s all smoke and mirrors! Wear a mask, don’t wear a mask, lockdown, don’t lockdown, same results.

Let me guess, if I wait two more weeks Texas will finally blow up with covid cases right?

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[montado]

Nothing like watching 550 fully vaccinated healthcare workers wearing masks cheering on the Toronto maple laughs about to lose game 7. What is the message we are sending... well firstly... doug was nice enough to allow these people to go to the game. I hope I can get on his good list because I hope some day he extends the welcome to me. Secondly, Doug knows better than the CDC... masks are needed even with vaccines. Thirdly, even with a vaccine, Doug has extended emergency orders until December. The pandemic has been working out pretty good for him so another 6 months should really boost his sticker biz before we open up.

Those fans look ridiculous with masks. Good job dougie! Lay down the law!

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[Inverted2]

Then you watch a US hockey or baseball game. Full house, no face diapers. Life has pretty much gotten back to normal there. Meanwhile in Ontario you still can’t go into Home Depot here or enjoy a meal and a beverage on a patio.

[RippleRock]

We're far more "communist leaning" here. Canadians love to be under the iron fist of a "nanny state".

"We have your backs". Everything will be OK. JUST DO AS YOUR TOLD OR PUNISHMENT WILL ENSUE.

Americans have also acknowleged that Covid will now be with them forever, as is the seasonal flu, common cold, ect. They are chosing to manage it as a "life risk factor" rather than trying to eradicate it like Terry Tam claims we need to do. Eradicate it at what cost??? 75% of Canadians with two doses is absolutely not possible. Apparently things won't go back to normal till we get there, so don't hold your breath. For the record, not a single country over 5m is even close to 75% with two doses....not even Israel.

The crazy commies in Ottawa will continue to run this asylum....right into the dirt. Get me outta here.

[montado]

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That was two months ago.

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70 percent of adults have one vaccine dose, and its still not safe to open up schools.