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https://twitter.com/NaheedD/status/1385 ... 76226?s=20

Look at Naheed pointing out this vaccine racism. There are line ups for vaccines in Toronto neighbourhoods where minorities are the dominant race. This is because we are racist right?

Or it’s because covid is spreading like crazy in these areas so pop up clinics are open to people 18 years and older. Everything is racism. Bring people more vaccines and lower the age in certain areas... and when people line up to get it, this is what racism looks like folks. Never mind that the rest of Ontario still doesn’t meet the age requirement and can’t access a vaccine at all. There’s literally no line up for me because I’m not eligible for a vaccine. But I’m probably racist.
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montado wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:35 am dominant race
Interesting choice of words.
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Anybody who knows the South Asian community well will tell you that They can’t sit in one place or stop gathering in large groups. In supermarkets, people stand on the mandated distancing markers only to crowd at doors and in aisles, walking in clumps past each other like a game of Tetris. Stand inside Square One Shopping Center or Bramalea City Center for an hour and watch as people stand around and eat food, even after walking past signs telling them that the food court is closed and asking them to carry food and drink outside designated areas to limit the spread. Others pull down their masks while chatting with their friends and family.

South Asians have been disproportionately impacted by COVID in Peel Region, accounting for 45 percent of cases but comprising only 32 percent of Peel’s population.

Why South Asians? To me, the answer is straightforward and clear. The best example might be the recent Diwali celebrations where social distancing guidelines were not followed. Officials urged the Indo-Canadian community to celebrate the festival “virtually”, stay home and avoid using long-range fireworks.

The management of a Gurdwara (place of worship for Sikhs) was summoned to appear in Ontario Court for allowing big crowds and not following social distancing rules...... management appeared to enforce the guidelines, but outside in the parking lot, crowds mingled freely causing police and bylaw officers to step in.

Another issue the Peel region is facing is residents not showing up for testing. Peel’s medical officer of health, Dr. Lawrence Loh, said the region’s testing partners have reported many no-shows and are asking people to call and cancel tests rather than just not showing up if they start to feel better. Another issue: calls informing people of potentially being exposed (“contact tracing”) to the virus are being ignored.

I suppose someone will say that this is racist. Well, it is not. It is the truth
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It’s not just South Asians.. it’s the more social cultures in general.

Look at Italy at the start of the pandemic. Look at Brazil, now. Look at Quebec which took a early lead in our country.

With all of those cultures there are strong social aspects in terms of large families, institutionalized religions, festivals and gatherings both large and small, and more than a few tendencies towards anarchism with anything from casual disregard to recommendations and protocols to out and out riots.
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Someone in my hood just got the Rona. Huge blood clot in the leg, might have to amputate it. This person is single, retired, stays home except to shop for groceries or go grab a coffee. Wears a mask religiously. Has no grandkids or family that visit ever. I would have put money on this person being the least likely to get the Rona. Guess this virus has its way. Meanwhile other families have their kids out playing on the street, have occasional visitors where they bend the rules outdoors and try to have somewhat of a normal life. None of them got it yet.

You can hide but if the Rona wants you it’s going to get you. I’m glad those who most needed a vaccine have probably got it.
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rookiepilot wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:12 pm
Dh8Classic wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:12 pm

I am sure you likely mentioned this on the other thread but: Any suggested investments(aside from cryptocurrency).

Much appreciated.
Well, I've never mentioned Crypto to my knowledge.
I am now curious how popular, or what % of their investments, this forum has of their $$$ in any cryptocurrency.

Should I do a poll? Any interest in this topic? Bitcoin, ect....
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https://asianpacificpost.com/article/89 ... 80%9D.html

This is where I got the earlier information that I posted from.

What he is saying is that political correctness(ie. the refusal to speak the harsh truth) is resulting in more Covid, and more death is the result(along with mass economic destruction). Something to think about every time you see the political correctness types on this forum.
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Other day I saw a media scrum by Doug Ford that was shown on one of the Political shows Power Play or Power and Politics, not sure which. Ford was yelling at the current Federal Government on need for border restrictions and he did say if it was within his power he would close LBPIA. Now one could imagine if the “ drama teacher” uttered such thoughts or even suggested anything near that there would be an immediate new thread and five pages of JT bashing for starters. However since the guru of things Right aka Doug the Slug wandered down that path, I can only reference The Tremeleos.

Gotta say though, enjoying Act 11 of the AVCanada Concert, plenty of comedy and laughs.
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Old fella wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 12:17 pm Other day I saw a media scrum by Doug Ford that was shown on one of the Political shows Power Play or Power and Politics, not sure which. Ford was yelling at the current Federal Government on need for border restrictions and he did say if it was within his power he would close LBPIA. Now one could imagine if the “ drama teacher” uttered such thoughts or even suggested anything near that there would be an immediate new thread and five pages of JT bashing for starters. However since the guru of things Right aka Doug the Slug wandered down that path, I can only reference The Tremeleos.

Gotta say though, enjoying Act 11 of the AVCanada Concert, plenty of comedy and laughs.
Pretty sure that’s the default for all politicians. Talk about policy that we need to stop the spread that involves other levels of government. That way you can blame them when they don’t and blame them when they do. As far as I’m concerned both Doug Ford and Trudeau need to go. And we should replace them with someone equally terrible like we usually do so we have more to complain about then.

So looks like the vaccine won’t be enough for no masks. Imagine getting a vaccine and then still being told it’s not safe to go maskless. Guess I’m not taking the vaccine. I have zero interest in being vaccinated if I still have to mask up. If there’s an ounce of government policy and restriction still in place when it’s my turn to vaccinate, then no thanks.

Once vaccinated you are safe to be maskless outdoors only. Masks indoors is here to stay.
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I have zero interest in being vaccinated if I still have to mask up.
Right. Because it’s all about you.
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photofly wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:33 pm
I have zero interest in being vaccinated if I still have to mask up.
Right. Because it’s all about you.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal ... -1.6010632

Here’s 30 thousand people who would agree that I should have freedom to make that choice. I really don’t care about people with idiotic opinions anymore. Talk about a forever moving goal post. Who would have guessed 6 months ago that when we got the vaccine it would still not be safe to be out at Costco with no mask.

I will happily take the vaccine when a return to normal is scheduled. I’m not taking a vaccine to maintain the perpetual cycle of idiotic policies to infinity. I will wear my mask and carry on with no vaccine, if getting the vaccine means I still have to keep doing the same thing anyways. I have been held hostage by idiotic government policies for long enough so I will take any freedoms I can get.

And yes, freedom is about the individual, it is about me. Don’t forget that I don’t buy into some people’s idea of kumbaya, holding hands, all in the together wearing snotty masks when we are asymptomatic. CDC says that mask policy is about 1 percent effective, the virus has about a 0.5 percent death rate, and the vaccine is 90 percent effective. Only an idiot would believe that after a vaccine we still need to hide inside and wear masks for eternity. But don’t get me wrong, I’m happy for you to make that choice for yourself. I just don’t need to be told how I need to live and what is an acceptable level of safety.
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Anyone is absolutely at liberty not to accept a vaccine. Nobody will break down your door and stick a needle in your arm. But nobody is at liberty to refuse a vaccine and remain free from the possible consequences, which might include social restrictions, ostracism, the ridicule of your peers, etc.

Meanwhile the rest of us are absolutely at liberty to come to our own conclusions about such people, and to voice our opinions about such people to them, at every opportunity.
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photofly wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:54 pm Anyone is absolutely at liberty not to accept a vaccine. Nobody will break down your door and stick a needle in your arm. But nobody is at liberty to refuse a vaccine and remain free from the possible consequences, which might include social restrictions, ostracism, the ridicule of your peers, etc.

Meanwhile the rest of us are absolutely at liberty to come to our own conclusions about such people, and to voice our opinions about such people to them, at every opportunity.
Well that’s the point. Getting the vaccine doesn’t change any social restrictions. So I won’t bother with it. If I travel I still need to quarantine. I still need to wear a mask... and so on. So in my last ditch effort to maintain freedom and choice I will not get the vaccine, because I don’t have a say in any other policy.
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montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:58 pm So in my last ditch effort to maintain freedom and choice I will not get the vaccine, because I don’t have a say in any other policy.
My six year old makes more rational decisions, when I ask him what he wants for breakfast.
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photofly wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 5:02 pm
montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:58 pm So in my last ditch effort to maintain freedom and choice I will not get the vaccine, because I don’t have a say in any other policy.
My six year old makes more rational decisions, when I ask him what he wants for breakfast.
:lol: I don’t doubt it, but I was never looking for your approval. This is my protest. I get it, you find it uncomfortable. You would rather people just nod their heads and say yes to everything. Maybe it makes you uncomfortable to see maskless people protest.

The biggest thing a vaccine could do for me, is bring normalcy. However government is making it clear that the vaccine is not enough and restrictions will still be in effect. If the vaccine can’t cure hysteria then why should I take it?
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photofly wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:54 pm Anyone is absolutely at liberty not to accept a vaccine. Nobody will break down your door and stick a needle in your arm. But nobody is at liberty to refuse a vaccine and remain free from the possible consequences, which might include social restrictions, ostracism, the ridicule of your peers, etc.

Meanwhile the rest of us are absolutely at liberty to come to our own conclusions about such people, and to voice our opinions about such people to them, at every opportunity.
Careful with that. I personally know two people who cannot take these vaccines (at least not yet), for reasons which I assure you are valid but will not discuss here, because it's nobody's fucking business why.
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montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:48 pm Talk about a forever moving goal post.
At the beginning of this mess, anyone who was paying attention knew that the best case outcome was a resolution in 18 months, and 36 months wasn't out of the question. Now we're a year in and we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. So tell me exactly what goal posts have been moved.
montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:48 pm Who would have guessed 6 months ago that when we got the vaccine it would still not be safe to be out at Costco with no mask.
Anybody with even the most rudimentary understanding of epidemiology and/or logistics would have guessed (and did).
montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:48 pm I will happily take the vaccine when a return to normal is scheduled. I’m not taking a vaccine to maintain the perpetual cycle of idiotic policies to infinity.
The irony in this is just amazing. A safe return to normal can happen when we have achieved some form of herd immunity. The fastest and best way to do that is through mass vaccinations. People like you are the reason this will be dragged out longer than necessary, not to mention the extra fatalities they have already caused and will continue to cause.
montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:48 pm I will wear my mask and carry on with no vaccine, if getting the vaccine means I still have to keep doing the same thing anyways.
If this is how you do risk management, remind me to never get in an airplane with you. You're unfit to be making decisions that impact other people.
montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:48 pm I have been held hostage by idiotic government policies for long enough so I will take any freedoms I can get.
It brings us off topic, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you don't actually believe in or support the principle of political freedom. For example, what are your thoughts on immigration, recreational drug use, and non-traditional family arrangements?
montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:48 pm And yes, freedom is about the individual, it is about me. Don’t forget that I don’t buy into some people’s idea of kumbaya, holding hands, all in the together wearing snotty masks when we are asymptomatic.
This goes very nicely with:
montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:48 pm I really don’t care about people with idiotic opinions anymore.
montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:48 pm CDC says that mask policy is about 1 percent effective, the virus has about a 0.5 percent death rate, and the vaccine is 90 percent effective.
I don't know what it is about the pro-plaguers that makes them think 185,000 unnecessarily dead Canadians is perfectly fine (assuming that your claim of 0.5% is accurate -- the Canadian fatality rate is at ~1.9%, but is likely lower due to undiagnosed cases, I don't know how much lower, but 0.5% sounds pretty optimistic), or that death is the only negative outcome of COVID -- it certainly isn't and long-term or permanent negative outcomes are far more common than fatalities.
montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:48 pm Only an idiot would believe that after a vaccine we still need to hide inside and wear masks for eternity.
This is the only intelligent thing you've said. But you seem to be implying that someone (presumably someone with decision-making authority) does in fact believe this. Can you tell us who? I have a pretty low opinion of our politicians, but I'm not aware of any who are calling for this.
montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 4:48 pm I just don’t need to be told how I need to live and what is an acceptable level of safety.
You do need to be told, because clearly you aren't capable of figuring it out for yourself.
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montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 5:11 pm If the vaccine can’t cure hysteria then why should I take it?
Because it contributes to stopping people from getting sick.

What other reason can you possibly need?
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photofly wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 6:40 pm
montado wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 5:11 pm If the vaccine can’t cure hysteria then why should I take it?
Because it contributes to stopping people from getting sick.

What other reason can you possibly need?
Curing hysteria is reason enough. Take my wife, for example.

No please, take her :lol:
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Conflicting traffic, thanks for the logical response. However my reason for not wanting the vaccine was never a logical one it's an emotional one.

I'm still not eligible for a vaccine so you can't call me a grandma killer yet and say I'm the reason covid is still here :lol:. Maybe once my turn comes up I'll change my mind and get the shot. Pretty sure my employer will make the shot mandatory anyway, and since I don't have the guts to do up a new resume and leave I probablywont give myself much choice.

Israel has zero report cases today! It's quite obvious the vax is what we need. I'm going to go against Anthony fauci on this one who said masks might be more important than vaccines. I don't think I'll trust the experts on that one.
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But nobody is at liberty to refuse a vaccine and remain free from the possible consequences...
Take it or else. So much for freedom.

More surprising is that so many have found freedom to be a burden.
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I wonder how many have considered that in 6 months to a year you might have issues maintaining your aviation medical due to vaccination related complications.

https://scitechdaily.com/sars-cov-2-spi ... act-virus/

Looks like recent animal studies are showing the spike protein without the presence of intact virus causes lung damage. I am going to wager a non vaccinated pilot will have a much higher odds of keeping their medical in the very near future.

I hope I am wrong and those who are participating in the experimental vaccine trials walk away with no long term health issues.
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rjguy wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 4:05 pm I wonder how many have considered that in 6 months to a year you might have issues maintaining your aviation medical due to vaccination related complications.

https://scitechdaily.com/sars-cov-2-spi ... act-virus/

Looks like recent animal studies are showing the spike protein without the presence of intact virus causes lung damage. I am going to wager a non vaccinated pilot will have a much higher odds of keeping their medical in the very near future.

I hope I am wrong and those who are participating in the experimental vaccine trials walk away with no long term health issues.


Your medical knowledge is stunning.
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rjguy wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 4:05 pm I wonder how many have considered that in 6 months to a year you might have issues maintaining your aviation medical due to vaccination related complications.

https://scitechdaily.com/sars-cov-2-spi ... act-virus/

Looks like recent animal studies are showing the spike protein without the presence of intact virus causes lung damage. I am going to wager a non vaccinated pilot will have a much higher odds of keeping their medical in the very near future.

I hope I am wrong and those who are participating in the experimental vaccine trials walk away with no long term health issues.
One recent animal study, from the, ahem, "Frank Reidy Research Center for Bioelectrics", which is unpublished, not peer reviewed, and doesn't mention anything about vaccines.


Nice try though.
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