What does the IATRA give you?

[PilotY]

Hi all,

I'm currently in the middle of an Integrated Training Program and have completed my CPL flight test and written exam.

I'm just kind of getting lost on the privileges of a CPL+IATRA compared to an ATPL. I thought I had known them well before. Perhaps I'm just confusing myself more than necessary.

I was under the impression that an ATPL (once the required hours and exams have been written) allowed a pilot to act as PIC on a 704 or 705 carrier. Holders of a CPL would need to write their IATRA exam in order to be given the privilege of becoming type rated, and could then work as either PIC on a 703, or as SIC on a 704 or 705 carrier.

Before I thought the IATRA was just an exam, but I've recently been told that in order to get it, I would need to undergo Simulator training for an MCC as *mandatory* part towards getting the IATRA. I was also told that since I am being given an exemption to write my SARON and SAMRA exams due to my enrolment in an integrated program, I actually don't have to write the IATRA at all and can be type rated without it?

How does this sound to all of you? Ever since I was told this I've become confused.

[digits_]

Unless things recently changed, you don't need an MCC (I assume this is a Multi Crew Competency or something similar ?). Sounds like that might be a training program requirement specific to your school.

A lot of pilots wrote their IATRA without any kind of special training. Your interpretation as to the privileges of the IATRA vs ATPL sound correct to me.

[DanWEC]

You're correct in that the IATRA gives you the privilege of being able to get a type rating with your CPL. As for the sim requirement, that's a nope unless it's brand new.... can you find a reference? Or better yet, ask your school/instructor to show you where it's required....I'm suspicious.

[PilotY]

You're correct in that the IATRA gives you the privilege of being able to get a type rating with your CPL. As for the sim requirement, that's a nope unless it's brand new.... can you find a reference? Or better yet, ask your school/instructor to show you where it's required....I'm suspicious.

I was always under the impression that the sim stuff wasn't required.

[triplebarrel]

Just from my memory IATRA, initial aeroplane type rating exam allows you to fly SIC in a min crew of 2, aircraft. All of what you said checks out except for the captain for a 703, it's not always required there. I could be wrong on that but I know for sure you are good with just a PPC with some aircraft types (and NO IATRA), IATRA is basically meant for a first officer.

MCC would be attained at the airline or perhaps through training if your school is wanting to offer that as part of the program, but the airline would have it for you anyways lol. Maybe the school tells you that you need to have the MCC done to graduate or write the IATRA? sure, but that's on them. Maybe it has to do with the standards of the graduate? I know you are in an integrated program and things are different for you but typically you just need a CPL and 250 hrs and you are good to go to write that exam.

For example, when there was plenty of jobs I got my IATRA right away and I had 250 hours so I was eligible for a job on an ATR, dash etc. whatever was 2 crew. That was recently

Like the other poster, I am suspicious as to why they requested the whole simulator ordeal and if things have changed. From my quick search, I did not see anything on MCC and/ or simulator requirements to write an IATRA. Don't confuse what your school requirements are vs what TC actually requires.

Hope that helps, if in doubt call TC and/or send an email. You will get a reply, eventually

[fish4life]

IATRA doesn’t have to do with a type rating or 703 captain. You can get a type rating and be a captain on a King air with just your CPL.

IATRA is required for aircraft with a MTOW over 12500 to sit right seat, if you have your AA’s written then you don’t need to write the IATRA.

[EastCoastWings]

When you do an Integrated Program, you are required to complete MCC training as per the training phases approved by TC. (AC No 406-002 and CAR 426.75) Once you've completed the integrated program, you are able to write SARON/SAMRA right away (rather than waiting until you have 750 hrs) to get a quasi "frozen ATPL". Completing the SAMRA/SARON will allow you to act as SIC in a Multi-Crew aircraft without having to write IATRA.

[EGW]

IATRA along with a CPL allows you to be right seat of a two crew aircraft, in order to be pic of a 2 crew aircraft you need ATPL. Any aircraft that is single pilot certified you can be pic for day vfr with pax and night vfr or IFR with no pax with just a CPL.

[Turboprops]

IATRA doesn’t have to do with a type rating or 703 captain. You can get a type rating and be a captain on a King air with just your CPL.

IATRA is required for aircraft with a MTOW over 12500 to sit right seat, if you have your AA’s written then you don’t need to write the IATRA.

The 12500 has nothing to do with requiring an IATRA, you can have a metro type rating without it.
You need IATRA to receive a 2 crew aircraft’s type rating which will allow you to be SIC

[fish4life]

IATRA doesn’t have to do with a type rating or 703 captain. You can get a type rating and be a captain on a King air with just your CPL.

IATRA is required for aircraft with a MTOW over 12500 to sit right seat, if you have your AA’s written then you don’t need to write the IATRA.

The 12500 has nothing to do with requiring an IATRA, you can have a metro type rating without it.
You need IATRA to receive a 2 crew aircraft’s type rating which will allow you to be SIC

You can fly a metro 2 but not a metro 3 in the right seat. 12500 is the magic number where pretty much everything becomes 2 crew. 2 crew is required for a metro 2 without autopilot but no IATRA required. Metro 3 FAA cargo can be single pilot but Canada being over 12500 makes it 2 crew

[Turboprops]

IATRA doesn’t have to do with a type rating or 703 captain. You can get a type rating and be a captain on a King air with just your CPL.

IATRA is required for aircraft with a MTOW over 12500 to sit right seat, if you have your AA’s written then you don’t need to write the IATRA.

The 12500 has nothing to do with requiring an IATRA, you can have a metro type rating without it.
You need IATRA to receive a 2 crew aircraft’s type rating which will allow you to be SIC

You can fly a metro 2 but not a metro 3 in the right seat. 12500 is the magic number where pretty much everything becomes 2 crew. 2 crew is required for a metro 2 without autopilot but no IATRA required. Metro 3 FAA cargo can be single pilot but Canada being over 12500 makes it 2 crew

You can get a metro 3 type rating without IATRA and fly right seat because it’s not 2 crew.
It’s about how TC certifies the aircraft, metro 3 is a single crew aircraft, having MTOW >12500 doesn’t make it 2 crew.
I know no one in Canada flies metro 3 with one pilot, but legally you could.
2 crew is required for a metro 2 because you can’t do single pilot IFR without autopilot, the plane itself is certified single crew so you’re correct about this one.

[fish4life]

When I worked at perimeter metro 3’s required an IATRA, just like how left seat required ATPL but the 2 didn’t for the left seat

[Turboprops]

When I worked at perimeter metro 3’s required an IATRA, just like how left seat required ATPL but the 2 didn’t for the left seat

Yea they like pilots having IATRA, but you don’t need it to fly the 3, it’s probably just in case they want you on the dash.
Just finished metro 3 training in march, my classmate has less than 250 hours and without IATRA.
Also technically speaking you don’t need ATPL to be left seat, they were upgrading at 1200 hours pre covid

[Chaxterium]

The 12,500lb thing gets a lot of people (myself included) but 12,500 has absolutely nothing to do with type ratings.

421.40 Blanket and Individual Type Ratings
(2) Individual Type Ratings
An individual aircraft type rating is issued for aircraft not included in a blanket type rating. It is indicated by the appropriate aircraft type designator from Appendix A found at the end of this Subpart, endorsed on a permit or licence as follows:

(a) Aeroplanes
(i) each aeroplane with a minimum flight crew requirement of at least two pilots;
(ii) each aeroplane with a minimum flight crew requirement of at least two pilots utilizing a cruise relief pilot;
(iii) each high performance aeroplane type to be endorsed on a pilot licence - aeroplane category;
(iv) each aeroplane type to be endorsed on a flight engineer licence;
(v) each aeroplane type to be endorsed on a second officer rating; and
(vi) each aeroplane type to be endorsed on a licence for which no blanket type rating is issued.

You'll note that there is no reference to aircraft weight anywhere in those regs.

And then further down the requirements to hold a type rating are listed:

(3) Individual Type Rating Requirements
(a) Aeroplane - Two Crew
(i) Knowledge
An applicant for an individual aircraft type rating for aeroplanes with a minimum flight crew requirement of at least two pilots shall have completed a program of ground school instruction and flight training on the aeroplane type, and
(amended 2006/12/14)

Private Pilot Licence - Aeroplane or Commercial Pilot Licence-Aeroplane
(A) in the case of the holder of a Private Pilot Licence-Aeroplane or Commercial Pilot Licence-Aeroplane, within the 24 months preceding the application for the first endorsement of the two crew rating, an applicant shall have obtained a minimum score of 70 percent (70%) on the Type Rating-Aeroplane ( IATRA ) written examination;