CDC release study on masks during covid. Efficacy is 0.5-1.9 percent.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Let's see why masks ARE effective: https://youtu.be/qDeP7-rUZmo?t=376

[montado]

Let's see why masks ARE effective: https://youtu.be/qDeP7-rUZmo?t=376

ok rockie... nice new account you created! Just read the comments from the video and see how your idiotic cult mask following is flawed.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Let's see why masks ARE effective: https://youtu.be/qDeP7-rUZmo?t=376

ok rockie... nice new account you created!

Don't know who that is, but sure.

[montado]

Let's see why masks ARE effective: https://youtu.be/qDeP7-rUZmo?t=376

ok rockie... nice new account you created!

Don't know who that is, but sure.

Ask yourself is the goal of the mask to stop spray on a dish in a lab, or is the goal of the mask to stop the spread of covid between people? Now show me the study that shows the latter.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

ok rockie... nice new account you created!

Don't know who that is, but sure.

Ask yourself is the goal of the mask to stop spray on a dish in a lab, or is the goal of the mask to stop the spread of covid between people? Now show me the study that shows the latter.

A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.

Another study looked at coronavirus deaths across 198 countries and found that those with cultural norms or government policies favoring mask-wearing had lower death rates.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/41790 ... ks-prevent

It's okay, I know that you're just looking for an excuse to make yourself feel better about not wearing a mask during the middle of a pandemic.

[montado]

It's okay, I know that you're just looking for an excuse to make yourself feel better about not wearing a mask during the middle of a pandemic.

Here is years of science explained in a short video. Mass Hysteria is why people demanded masks. Politicians jumped on it because it kept people working. Wearing a mask was dumb, but its completely idiotic that asymptomatic vaccinated people are still wearing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_edxN5kkBtc

Edit, actually I take that back... wearing a mask is not dumb, but having a blanket mask policy for all people pretending we are all sick is dumb. The policy itself is dumb. Wearing a mask in certain circumstances does make sense. Pretty much as tam had explained. Im happy for anyone who wants to wear a mask to do so, I'm tired of idiotic policy.

[OneYonge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_edxN5kkBtc

She was not the only anti-masker science expert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHsEmlIoE4

[montado]

So unless covid is some mythical virus that spreads way differently than influenza, mask policy masks zero sense? That's what I take from the experts...

Unfortunately in today's world, mass hysteria becomes "science". Fear is not science... just because you want to feel safe doesn't mean mask all of a sudden stop a virus when we knew for decades with influenza that masks for all would not be effective. Wash your hands like you did for the flu. wear a mask if you have a cough, and keep away from people. And if you are fully vaccinated go back to normal!

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Masks are effective. They are even effective with the flu.

The measures put into place, including mask mandates, have reduced reported flu deaths by 98%!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 127197001/

The arguments I hear against masks pull from outdated information, such as Tam suggesting people not wear N95 masks. The argument is made that because they originally suggested against it, that it cannot be effective, but context is always conveniently left out. N95 masks were in short supply. Health care workers were in more immediate need of N95 masks due to working with patients on a daily basis, so the priority was to make sure health care workers got the masks they need and not the toilet paper hoarding population.

[OneYonge]

The argument is made that because they originally suggested against it, that it cannot be effective, but context is always conveniently left out. N95 masks were in short supply. Health care workers were in more immediate need of N95 masks due to working with patients on a daily basis, so the priority was to make sure health care workers got the masks they need and not the toilet paper hoarding population.

If "Short supply" is a reason to discourage hoarding...it isn't a reason to then say that masks are not effective. Your "context" doesn't justify what they said.

Are you really using the "outdated" excuse when Fauci clearly knows about the other countries that have been wearing masks for years? So these "experts" were so wrong when everyone else has been right for many years?

[montado]

Masks are effective. They are even effective with the flu.

The measures put into place, including mask mandates, have reduced reported flu deaths by 98%!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 127197001/

The arguments I hear against masks pull from outdated information, such as Tam suggesting people not wear N95 masks. The argument is made that because they originally suggested against it, that it cannot be effective, but context is always conveniently left out. N95 masks were in short supply. Health care workers were in more immediate need of N95 masks due to working with patients on a daily basis, so the priority was to make sure health care workers got the masks they need and not the toilet paper hoarding population.

So wait, masks are 98 percent effective at stopping the spread of the flu, and cdc says mask policy stops 1.9 percent of covid cases after 3 months? Do you see a disconnect?

So I take it you will wear a mask from now on every flu season? Save lives?

[CpnCrunch]

So wait, masks are 98 percent effective at stopping the spread of the flu, and cdc says mask policy stops 1.9 percent of covid cases after 3 months? Do you see a disconnect?

So I take it you will wear a mask from now on every flu season? Save lives?

The difference is "wearing a mask" vs "mask policy". Studies show that masks reduce infections by about 70%:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2776536

[montado]

So wait, masks are 98 percent effective at stopping the spread of the flu, and cdc says mask policy stops 1.9 percent of covid cases after 3 months? Do you see a disconnect?

So I take it you will wear a mask from now on every flu season? Save lives?

The difference is "wearing a mask" vs "mask policy". Studies show that masks reduce infections by about 70%:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2776536

If mask policy is not effective, then masks are not effective against the spread of covid.

I don’t care if you can train a doctor or nurse how to properly use ppe, put them in a lab setting and prove a masks works.

When you tell everyone to pretend they are sick all the time, mask policy is not effective. So get rid of mask policy. If people aren’t going to wear masks properly, if they choose to reuse cloth masks all day, and we know it’s not effective, then why is it policy? It’s pure virtue signalling, that’s it. We are better off wearing no masks than pretending mask policy works.

I also refute your 70 percent claim, because I can show you pre pandemic studies on surgical masks and it’s no where near 70 percent... but I will give you, that when someone wears an n95, and uses it exactly as ppe would be directed to use it likely provides a level of protection making the mask worth the trouble. Everything else is completely dumb. The dumb dumbs keep coming out trying to tell me how important face diapers are.

Remember all the idiots last summer in Ontario, “look masks are working, cases are dropping... then second wave, third wave... masks clearly were not effective to prevent closing businesses, masks didn’t stop lockdowns... so how much credit shall we give mask policy? Zero, a complete waste of time, money, social impact. Completely dumb.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

You are conflating reduction in new cases to efficacy of mask wearing.

Let's talk vaccine efficacy. You probably think that because the Pfizer vaccine has a 98% efficacy rate, that your chance of getting COVID drops by 98%. That is not true. Vaccine efficacy is specifically the ratio between the number of people in the control group vs the number of people in the vaccine group who report getting sick.

Example:
300 people are given the vaccine and 200 people are given the placebo.

Let's say that 80 people who got the placebo tested positive some time after the injection. Let's also say that 30 people who got the vaccine tested positive in the same time period.

First, we are going to average the numbers to get a comparable result.

30/300 (vaccinated) = 0.1 * 100 = 10 cases per 100
80/200 (placebo) = 0.4 * 100 = 40 cases per 100

So, out of 50 (per 100 people) confirmed cases of COVID, 40 of them were not given the vaccine.

The efficacy rate in this case would be 80% (40 / 50).

Efficacy rates can be vastly different based on the time range that the study was conducted, the location it was performed, and can even be affected by the variability in people's behaviours.

tl;dr: Your "efficacy rate" argument holds little water.

[montado]

So show me your mask study where we had trials with masks and the spread of covid and show me the efficacy of mask policy. It doesn't exist. You are making the assumption that mask policy is effective because in a lab when you cough into a mask droplets end up trapped on the mask. However that tells us little about whether mask policy will stop the spread of covid.it's possible people are touching masks without washing hands and spreading more covid with that contact. Some people got covid because they wore a mask.

So if we look to the next best thing besides human trials with covid, we could look at the decades of influenza and mask use.That research is what tam and fauci were talking about. Masks don't make sense during flu season for asymptomatic people. That is the science. So how is covid different?

[OneYonge]

So if we look to the next best thing besides human trials with covid, we could look at the decades of influenza and mask use.That research is what tam and fauci were talking about. Masks don't make sense during flu season for asymptomatic people. That is the science. So how is covid different?

They asked you not to buy masks because of the shortage. Was it only because of the shortage?

Because they went one step further and either pretended or admitted that masks weren't needed by the general public, and that it can even present more problems....we can all see the video.

We don't know if it was admission or pretension...

If they "pretended" you don't need masks, then they lied and they made you spread the virus. Did they ever own up to the lying? No wonder people don't trust them. You probably saved lives by disobeying them.

If they "admitted" you don't need masks...that means the truth is.... experts think you don't really need masks.

Whether you are a Masker or Anti-Masker.....you "trusted the experts" and "followed the science".

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

So show me your mask study where we had trials with masks and the spread of covid and show me the efficacy of mask policy. It doesn't exist. You are making the assumption that mask policy is effective because in a lab when you cough into a mask droplets end up trapped on the mask. However that tells us little about whether mask policy will stop the spread of covid.it's possible people are touching masks without washing hands and spreading more covid with that contact. Some people got covid because they wore a mask.

So if we look to the next best thing besides human trials with covid, we could look at the decades of influenza and mask use.That research is what tam and fauci were talking about. Masks don't make sense during flu season for asymptomatic people. That is the science. So how is covid different?

You discount the working theory because there's not enough evidence to your liking, but you are willing to accept the counter argument based on a claim?

[Human Factor]

The one thing masks are really good for are littering our streets and sidewalks... if covid was such a big deal and masks helped by catching the virus, shouldn't every used mask be treated as potentially toxic medical waste and required to be disposed of properly?

[montado]

You discount the working theory because there's not enough evidence to your liking, but you are willing to accept the counter argument based on a claim?

I discount the theory because all you have to do is look at cases counts and policy to see how it’s not effective. Even the experts who pushed masks such as Anthony... remember when he said Texas was making a mistake, then he said just wait a couple more weeks... then 6 weeks in his jaw dropped and he said he could not explain how Texas has no mask policy and cases didn’t climb.

So that’s where you start and then you think hey, there’s lots of research pre pandemic. I like to read studies from times that are not driven by fear and hysteria. So if you read studies from the past decade, they all point to how ineffective masks are with viruses such as influenza strains.

CDC literally says masks are not required for those who are fully vaccinated, yet we had 550 HCWs wearing masks at a leafs game. It saved us from having to see the sad faces though. Leafs fans should definitely have a mandatory mask policy. Masking leafs fans could stop systemic depression... not Likely to stop covid, but 100 percent effective at blocking the sad look on their faces.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

The one thing masks are really good for are littering our streets and sidewalks... if covid was such a big deal and masks helped by catching the virus, shouldn't every used mask be treated as potentially toxic medical waste and required to be disposed of properly?

That's a good question. The answer is no. The COVID virus is transmitted through water droplets. It does not survive long in a dry environment.

The mask traps the virus and the virus dies within a few hours. It is not like other viruses that may be more resilient.

[montado]

The one thing masks are really good for are littering our streets and sidewalks... if covid was such a big deal and masks helped by catching the virus, shouldn't every used mask be treated as potentially toxic medical waste and required to be disposed of properly?

That's a good question. The answer is no. The COVID virus is transmitted through water droplets. It does not survive long in a dry environment.

The mask traps the virus and the virus dies within a few hours. It is not like other viruses that may be more resilient.

Yes that’s a logical statement. Covid is less resilient to survive than other viruses yet somehow covid is spreading and the flu has been eradicated this year

I find it hilarious how many people believe covid is only airborne and not surface contact at all. Some people have given up on hand washing because they think all they need is a mask.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

The one thing masks are really good for are littering our streets and sidewalks... if covid was such a big deal and masks helped by catching the virus, shouldn't every used mask be treated as potentially toxic medical waste and required to be disposed of properly?

That's a good question. The answer is no. The COVID virus is transmitted through water droplets. It does not survive long in a dry environment.

The mask traps the virus and the virus dies within a few hours. It is not like other viruses that may be more resilient.

Yes that’s a logical statement. Covid is less resilient to survive than other viruses yet somehow covid is spreading and the flu has been eradicated this year

I find it hilarious how many people believe covid is only airborne and not surface contact at all. Some people have given up on hand washing because they think all they need is a mask.

Your logical reasoning is illogical.

Since you are obsessed with the CDC (despite them having no control in Canada), here is their information page. Read it and then come back.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html

[montado]

It’s official, vaccines don’t really work! Experts say we need masks again.
Today’s CNN headline

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Incredible we went since March with no masks in states like Texas and all or a sudden we need masks again. Don’t bother getting the jab folks, it will all be for nothing as we will be told to lockdown and mask forever. The vaccine must not work.

LA is back to mask mandates regardless of vaccine status.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/16/us/los-a ... index.html

[CpnCrunch]

It’s official, vaccines don’t really work!

Except you didnt bother fucking reading. 99% of cases are in unvaccinated. That would imply it works quite well.

https://www.kqed.org/forum/201010188441 ... vaccinated

[montado]

It’s official, vaccines don’t really work!

Except you didnt bother fucking reading. 99% of cases are in unvaccinated. That would imply it works quite well.

https://www.kqed.org/forum/201010188441 ... vaccinated

So remind me why masks are required, if vaccines work, and vaccines are available to anyone who wants one. Why is it vaccinated people need to wear masks? How would wearing a mask as a vaccinated person do anything at all to stop covid. We already know mask policy was only 0.5 to 1.9 percent effective when we had zero vaccines. So how effective is mask policy for those who have a vaccine? This is as stupid as telling everyone to avoid washrooms and wear diapers to stop the spread of covid.