Fact Check-British Airways is not in ‘crisis talks’ with the government over vaccinated pilots

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Fact Check-British Airways is not in ‘crisis talks’ with the government over vaccinated pilots

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https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL2N2NZ1ZO

Fact check says false but wow if it is true.
Claims that British Airways is in “crisis talks” with the British government due to the deaths of three pilots who received COVID-19 shots are unfounded, a company representative and British medicines regulator spokesperson has told Reuters.

Shared in the form of a voice recording on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter, an unidentified male says he has spoken to a “friend who’s a BA pilot” and explains “things are getting crazy” after three fellow pilots passed away (here , here and here).

“They’ve had the third BA pilot die in the last seven days, yeah? Third pilot dead in the last week,” says the man heard in the recording. “The first two guys were in their forties and fifties; this guy, mid-thirties, perfectly fit, no underlying conditions. He gets his second jab and he’s dead within days, exactly the same with the first two.

Because of this, BA are now in crisis talks with the government about whether to allow vaccinated pilots to fly. The issue with that of course is that about 80%, according to my friend in BA, 80-85% have been injected.

The man then goes on to say only “10% of pilots will be able to fly,” branding it a “serious issue”.

On Twitter, some users have also shared a photo of what appears to be four books of condolence next to framed pictures of four men in a British Airways-themed lounge (here). “I believe it was actually FOUR young pilots who died due to the Maxine,” tweeted one user.

Reuters presented the claims to British Airways, which said they were unfounded and that no such talks were underway with the government. The spokesperson, however, confirmed the authenticity of the four condolence books, as four company pilots had recently passed away. “Our thoughts are with their family and friends,” they said, adding that none of the deaths was linked to vaccines.

In a statement to Reuters, the UK’s Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) also denied any such crisis talks with Britain’s flagship air carrier.

“We have not been made aware of deaths of BA pilots after receiving the Covid-19 vaccine and have not had discussions with BA or other airlines, about preventing pilots from flying after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine,” said Dr. Sarah Branch, the director of vigilance and risk management of medicines for the MHRA. “There are currently no restrictions on aviation or other industries and activities post vaccination.

“Our advice remains that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks in the majority of people. It is still vitally important that people come forward for their vaccination and for their second dose when invited to do so. 

“We ask anyone who suspects they have experienced a side effect linked with their COVID-19 vaccine to report it to the Coronavirus Yellow Card website.” 

VERDICT
False. British Airways is not in “crisis talks” with the British government about vaccinated pilots. Four pilots have recently died – and British Airways says none of these is linked to vaccines.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts here .
I have a buddy at BA who told me that it is true that from the rumor's he heard a few pilots did recently die after getting a jab. Only rumor's of course and the fact checkers have already decided this is fake news so it must be fake then. Can you imagine if all vaccinated pilots at BA got grounded.

Before all you jump on me I get that BA can not ground all vaccinated pilots as it would be the end of their airline.

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deadbear wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:53 am https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL2N2NZ1ZO

Fact check says false but wow if it is true.
Claims that British Airways is in “crisis talks” with the British government due to the deaths of three pilots who received COVID-19 shots are unfounded, a company representative and British medicines regulator spokesperson has told Reuters.

Shared in the form of a voice recording on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter, an unidentified male says he has spoken to a “friend who’s a BA pilot” and explains “things are getting crazy” after three fellow pilots passed away (here , here and here).

“They’ve had the third BA pilot die in the last seven days, yeah? Third pilot dead in the last week,” says the man heard in the recording. “The first two guys were in their forties and fifties; this guy, mid-thirties, perfectly fit, no underlying conditions. He gets his second jab and he’s dead within days, exactly the same with the first two.

Because of this, BA are now in crisis talks with the government about whether to allow vaccinated pilots to fly. The issue with that of course is that about 80%, according to my friend in BA, 80-85% have been injected.

The man then goes on to say only “10% of pilots will be able to fly,” branding it a “serious issue”.

On Twitter, some users have also shared a photo of what appears to be four books of condolence next to framed pictures of four men in a British Airways-themed lounge (here). “I believe it was actually FOUR young pilots who died due to the Maxine,” tweeted one user.

Reuters presented the claims to British Airways, which said they were unfounded and that no such talks were underway with the government. The spokesperson, however, confirmed the authenticity of the four condolence books, as four company pilots had recently passed away. “Our thoughts are with their family and friends,” they said, adding that none of the deaths was linked to vaccines.

In a statement to Reuters, the UK’s Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) also denied any such crisis talks with Britain’s flagship air carrier.

“We have not been made aware of deaths of BA pilots after receiving the Covid-19 vaccine and have not had discussions with BA or other airlines, about preventing pilots from flying after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine,” said Dr. Sarah Branch, the director of vigilance and risk management of medicines for the MHRA. “There are currently no restrictions on aviation or other industries and activities post vaccination.

“Our advice remains that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks in the majority of people. It is still vitally important that people come forward for their vaccination and for their second dose when invited to do so. 

“We ask anyone who suspects they have experienced a side effect linked with their COVID-19 vaccine to report it to the Coronavirus Yellow Card website.” 

VERDICT
False. British Airways is not in “crisis talks” with the British government about vaccinated pilots. Four pilots have recently died – and British Airways says none of these is linked to vaccines.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts here .
I have a buddy at BA who told me that it is true that from the rumor's he heard a few pilots did recently die after getting a jab. Only rumor's of course and the fact checkers have already decided this is fake news so it must be fake then. Can you imagine if all vaccinated pilots at BA got grounded.

Before all you jump on me I get that BA can not ground all vaccinated pilots as it would be the end of their airline.

Audio can be found by visiting
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https://www.facebook.com/rudi.gerber.7/ ... 963118111/
https://twitter.com/trusthetruth84/stat ... 9648498689
Already proven wrong but here it is anyways.

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I imagine 50% of Air Canada pilots lost their medical due to vaccine complications. This is completely made up by me, but wow if it were true!
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https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL2N2NZ1ZO

Read the article and draw your own conclusions. The condolence books could be fake, who knows but 4 relatively young pilots dying after getting the vaccine is rather concerning.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/0 ... 9-vaccine/

The four pilots that died recently is true. How they died my buddy said is more than likely connected to the vaccine. This from an inside BA source.

BA put out a tweet that the four deaths are not connected to vaccination. Better question would then how did the four healthy pilots actually die then and when did they get vaccinated? My sources say much more to this story.
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deadbear wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:37 amBetter question would then how did the four healthy pilots actually die then and when did they get vaccinated? My sources say much more to this story.
If they died, they couldn't have been all that healthy.

I don't know any specifc facts of this case, but in a country where 46% of the entire population has recently been fully vaccinated, then it's likely that 46% of all sudden deaths will be of people who were recently vaccinated. Some of them will even be pilots.
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What is the link to the vaccine? I don't understand why pilots would be impacted more by a vaccine than another person. Millions of people have taken these vaccines now.

Is it sitting on your ass that caused death? So why aren't truckers having the same issue or people who work in an office (or are they and its just not reported)? Just trying to make the link here. Were the deaths caused by blood clots? I'm assuming these 4 pilots had the Astra vax.

Looks like they are withholding information.we do know Astra had blood clot issues and it is possible sitting for long periods of time could impact that I would think.

I find it funny they make a point they are not in talks with the government. Why the hell not. You have had 4 pilots die and you want to ignore it? Or do they have evidence there is certainly no link to the vaccine.
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Better question would then how did the four healthy pilots actually die then and when did they get vaccinated? My sources say much more to this story.
There's was a thread on PPRUNE that has been taken down now. Posters confirmed deaths as occurring after vaccination.

We know vaccine side effects including death occur, AZ use has been widely suspended here due to thrombosis concerns, a concern that pilots sitting for long periods at altitude should have already, and AZ is what they're using in Britain... 4 young healthy guys dead within a week? It certainly isn't a stretch to be a possibility.

They obviously don't want to start a panic though. People are having a hard enough time going flying with the vaccine, without the vaccine, damned if you do damned if you don't...
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4 pilot deaths makes a good headline in the news.

If we saw an article that said 4 factory workers died we would be confused as to why that is in the news.

Not sure about the link to the job of flying... But if thats not a direct link it's as if they are hiding the impact of az deaths as a whole.
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photofly wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:51 am
deadbear wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:37 amBetter question would then how did the four healthy pilots actually die then and when did they get vaccinated? My sources say much more to this story.
If they died, they couldn't have been all that healthy.

I don't know any specifc facts of this case, but in a country where 46% of the entire population has recently been fully vaccinated, then it's likely that 46% of all sudden deaths will be of people who were recently vaccinated. Some of them will even be pilots.
That would be one hell of a coincidence. Your mental gymnastics are on the level of religious belief. A sort of covid-evangelist.

Of course, you'd have to also ignore thousands of coincidences in VAERS.
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That one would have nothing to do with vaccines.... I know another was a long covid case

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 63722.html
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pilotbzh wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:42 am
That one would have nothing to do with vaccines.... I know another was a long covid case

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 63722.html
Does that make 5 dead BA pilots in recent news?
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No, I think that was one of the four.
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