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The media has trained the masses to be idiots and religious type thinkers. Dummies will keep pointing their fingers at each other with no real evidence.

Look no further than the outrage in Waterloo where they can't go to stage 2 because the delta variant. People are blaming the anti maskers :lol:. The media has everyone trained to be idiots.
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montado wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:31 am The media has trained the masses to be idiots and religious type thinkers. Dummies will keep pointing their fingers at each other with no real evidence.
The media hasn't trained anyone......the masses are generally idiots. The political "flavor of the year" just takes advantage of it, and the Media is having a feeding-frenzy that selling fear creates.

Remember that half of the population has an IQ below 100. That's 1% from a majority. Think about that for a moment.

The human character is generally self-important, greedy, selfish, jealous, resentful, fearful and revels in the misery of others. We don't have much hope as a species. I thought back in 1989 when the wall fell in Germany that the days of bullying nations and human rights abuses were numbered, and that humanity had the ability to learn from past mistakes. Given what's happening in Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Russia, Yemen and China, just to name a few......I'm dead wrong. The self-flagellation going on in the Western world right now and the "systemic-racist witch-hunt" threatens to topple what's left. Tribalism based on skin color, and race-identity politics has never been more alive in the Western world.

There is no way the world is a safer or better place than it was 60 years ago. Thanks to Trudeau and his constant appologizing for the "crimes" or percieved wrongdoings of my long dead ancestors, I've never, ever felt so shitty to be a Canadian. Given that we are one of the most tolerant and accommodating societies on the planet....that's saying something.

Optimism is thin and in short supply right now.
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RippleRock wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:56 am Thanks to Trudeau and his constant appologizing for the "crimes" or percieved wrongdoings of my long dead ancestors, I've never, ever felt so shitty to be a Canadian. Given that we are one of the most tolerant and accommodating societies on the planet....that's saying something.

Optimism is thin and in short supply right now.
What he is apologizing for were indeed crimes, and not "perceived" wrongdoings, but real ones. And many who committed those crimes, and many who directly suffered because of them, are still alive today. You are either willfully ignorant or grossly uninformed.

But I'll agree we're one of the most tolerant and accommodating societies on Earth. That doesn't mean we've never made a mistake, though.
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RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:53 am
RippleRock wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:56 am Thanks to Trudeau and his constant appologizing for the "crimes" or percieved wrongdoings of my long dead ancestors, I've never, ever felt so shitty to be a Canadian. Given that we are one of the most tolerant and accommodating societies on the planet....that's saying something.

Optimism is thin and in short supply right now.
What he is apologizing for were indeed crimes, and not "perceived" wrongdoings, but real ones. And many who committed those crimes, and many who directly suffered because of them, are still alive today. You are either willfully ignorant or grossly uninformed.

But I'll agree we're one of the most tolerant and accommodating societies on Earth. That doesn't mean we've never made a mistake, though.
I didn't quote any specific instance. Is there something on your mind specifically? I emphasized that humanity is far from perfect, and will likely never be. We make mistakes constantly. We could go all the way back to 30,000 BC and cite cases of Homo-Sapiens committing racial genocide against the Neanderthals. We could collect DNA and offer our condolences to those with remaining fragments. Or, we can admit that we are imperfect and strive to do better.

Trudeau has apologized many times for many things, nearly always without consulting those he represents. Proper, thorough investigations follow the findings of the "court of public opinion", if they are ever investigated properly at all.

If you are specifically refering to the to the "re-education schools", I'm not Catholic, nor was I born when these schools were established, nor did I have any say on how they were administered, nor records kept. The church needs to needs to step up. With their "missions" spanning the globe and their "thousand years" of pushing their religious beliefs on indigenous communities worldwide, especially in South America, I'm sure this is a rock they would prefer to leave unturned. This is the tip of a very large iceburg. The Vatican's pockets are very deep and they can well afford any reparations to those still living that suffered injury at their hands.
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RippleRock wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:56 am
montado wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:31 am The media has trained the masses to be idiots and religious type thinkers. Dummies will keep pointing their fingers at each other with no real evidence.
The media hasn't trained anyone......the masses are generally idiots. The political "flavor of the year" just takes advantage of it, and the Media is having a feeding-frenzy that selling fear creates.

Remember that half of the population has an IQ below 100. That's 1% from a majority. Think about that for a moment.
IQ tests are changed every few years so that 100 is the average score across a population.

Remember the difference between the average and the median.

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RippleRock wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:52 am I didn't quote any specific instance. Is there something on your mind specifically? I emphasized that humanity is far from perfect, and will likely never be. We make mistakes constantly. We could go all the way back to 30,000 BC and cite cases of Homo-Sapiens committing racial genocide against the Neanderthals. We could collect DNA and offer our condolences to those with remaining fragments. Or, we can admit that we are imperfect and strive to do better.

Trudeau has apologized many times for many things, nearly always without consulting those he represents. Proper, thorough investigations follow the findings of the "court of public opinion", if they are ever investigated properly at all.

If you are specifically refering to the to the "re-education schools", I'm not Catholic, nor was I born when these schools were established, nor did I have any say on how they were administered, nor records kept. The church needs to needs to step up. With their "missions" spanning the globe and their "thousand years" of pushing their religious beliefs on indigenous communities worldwide, especially in South America, I'm sure this is a rock they would prefer to leave unturned. This is the tip of a very large iceburg. The Vatican's pockets are very deep and they can well afford any reparations to those still living that suffered injury at their hands.
I think we agree on more than you think we do, with one glaring exception. I am a proud Canadian. With that comes the acceptance of our mistakes, and not just our accomplishments. If I am to be prideful of those accomplishments, I think I must therefore also be ashamed of our mistakes. I must accept all our history - not just the pieces of it that make me proud.

So, yes there was something on my mind when I posted that. I'm pretty sure it needs no elaboration. I had a very rude awakening some years ago, before the Truth and Reconciliation report came out. I've been itching to talk about it for years, so I I do apologize if I have inappropriately seized the opportunity.
RippleRock wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:52 amThe Vatican's pockets are very deep and they can well afford any reparations to those still living that suffered injury at their hands.
So are ours, and we bear no small modicum of fault.
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I feel no guilt at all for something that happened many years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with. People need to stop this whole guilt trip and move on. It’s pathetic.
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Inverted2 wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:33 am I feel no guilt at all for something that happened many years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with. People need to stop this whole guilt trip and move on. It’s pathetic.

Me neither, but I would like to see the quality of life improve for Indigenous people, aside from human suffering it poses a destabilizing threat. Canada needs to find a way forward, I do the best I can to keep pace with what's happening but I don't think even the Ministry of Indigenous Affairs has a complete grasp on the issues individually plaguing the over 600 First Nations in Canada.

Like a lot of pilots here, I've visited a lot of reserves and saw the same disease, abuse, violence, suicide, poverty, hopelessness, amongst some of the friendliest kindest people I've ever met. It's unbelievable that such third world conditions can exist in Canada.

The Residential Schools are a dark chapter and maybe it's a good thing that more people are learning about them, they are part of how we got to this point. Information helps with the Truth aspect but Reconciliation seems far off. How is one Nation supposed to deal with 600+ different Nations? 600+ different Chiefs, some with abundant resources and others without any? I'm not sure how Canada can be expected to pay $18 Billion dollars a year with no accountability whatsoever? I don't think anyone involved actually knows how or would dare to actually try and change the current system.
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The problem is when you make people dependent on government handouts their whole lives, they become accustomed to it and it becomes a way of life. When a large percentage of your community doesn't work, it creates many problems on its own and that is what we have. Playing the perpetual victim does nothing for anyone's self worth and creates a permanent cycle of despair and resentment.

I agree what happened to the natives in the past is bad. I don't for 1 minute believe all of these children were murdered but that is what we are told to believe. 100 years ago childhood mortality was high compared to today. Many likely perished from TB, smallpox or the Spanish Flu.
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Inverted2 wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:33 am I feel no guilt at all for something that happened many years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with. People need to stop this whole guilt trip and move on. It’s pathetic.
I feel no pride at all for defeating Hitler. It happened many years ago and I had absolutely nothing to do with it. People need to stop being so proud of the nation's accomplishments, and just move on. It's pathetic.

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Inverted2 wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:33 am I feel no guilt at all for something that happened many years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with. People need to stop this whole guilt trip and move on. It’s pathetic.
I feel no pride at all for defeating Hitler. It happened many years ago and I had absolutely nothing to do with it. People need to stop being so proud of the nation's accomplishments, and just move on. It's pathetic.
RippleRock wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:52 am Your feelings are causing you to assign blame to all of us. Go have your feelings in private and leave the rest of us alone. You all are becoming an insufferable bunch with your feelings and notions. Fine little Maoists you are.
This is a public forum and I am free to post my "feelings" as I see fit, notwithstanding moderation. If my "feelings" trigger you, you are free to leave. As an aside, those without "feelings" are commonly known as psychopaths. Not that you are, but we clearly voice those "feelings" differently.
Inverted2 wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:20 pm I agree what happened to the natives in the past is bad. I don't for 1 minute believe all of these children were murdered but that is what we are told to believe. 100 years ago childhood mortality was high compared to today. Many likely perished from TB, smallpox or the Spanish Flu.
Quite likely, yes, most perished from disease or malnutrition - not wilful malice. The problem we have now is that many of us are just learning that nobody cared.

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Inverted2 wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:33 am I feel no guilt at all for something that happened many years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with. People need to stop this whole guilt trip and move on. It’s pathetic.
Nobody said that it's your fault, but as a society, it's our (collective) job to do what we can to alleviate the situation.

I guess it's just easier for me to understand what they're going through as I am the descendant of Holocaust survivors. You don't realize how traumatizing it can be to have a government go on a religious crusade to destroy your people and your culture, and the long lasting effects it has on public perception of your ethnicity.
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Inverted2 wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:33 am I feel no guilt at all for something that happened many years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with. People need to stop this whole guilt trip and move on. It’s pathetic.

The outcomes of people today are most definitely impacted by the past. Acquiring wealth in a family doesn’t happen overnight. Learning to raise children is not a skill acquired through a few hours in a classroom, it is something passed through generations.

While I don’t have the answers on how to make things as right as possible I think correcting the course requires action. Part of the problem is not one politician or one chief can decide for all what getting even looks like.

I thought it was a common understanding that we are all likely to grow into a path that looks similar to our parents. If you were the son to a lawyer, you would be likely to follow in a similar path of upper class. If you were the son of high school drop outs you are not as likely to attain post secondary. If you are a son to an aboriginal who was taken away to residential schools where your parent was possibly abused, and at the very least had an abrupt disruption to normal life at such a critical age for development, you are now more likely to resonate with this past. Life is self correcting like evolution. But this doesn’t take years or decades. If all was made equal today it could take 6 generations to make these scars fade.

I feel helpless in my ability to do anything, I feel no ownership to these events. Both my parents were not even born in Canada. But I do try to understand. Life is not fair, we all get different hands in life, but if there were opportunities to make something more fair I would be on board with that. I’m just not sure what that looks like. This is not about feeling guilt, and it’s not about you solving problems. But this is most definitely not pathetic, this is real, this is not smoke an mirrors. You could look at this as objectively as you like, use math and statistics, and we can see this is not some made up non issue. No one is asking for your guilt. At they very least they just want you to understand, not to much to ask I think.
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RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 5:27 pm
Arnie Pye wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 4:21 pm There are lots of reasons to be optimistic - if you're American, living in America.
Aside from the lack of socialized healthcare, controls on weapons dangerous, and 1% incarceration rate...

:axe: :weedman:
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notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:37 am
Inverted2 wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:33 am I feel no guilt at all for something that happened many years ago that I had absolutely nothing to do with. People need to stop this whole guilt trip and move on. It’s pathetic.
Nobody said that it's your fault, but as a society, it's our (collective) job to do what we can to alleviate the situation.

I guess it's just easier for me to understand what they're going through as I am the descendant of Holocaust survivors. You don't realize how traumatizing it can be to have a government go on a religious crusade to destroy your people and your culture, and the long lasting effects it has on public perception of your ethnicity.


Yeah. Me too! What the Nazis did to my grandparents will forever be ingrained in my mind, but I don't go around shitting on Germans today. It's not their fault that Hitler, Goebbels, Himler and the rest existed.
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The key difference being is that those people all killed themselves or were put on trial and executed with lesser ones sentenced to many years in prison…………and perhaps the absolute epitome of Cancel Culture was enacted to expunge any vestiges of Nazism and Fascism……3/4 of a century ago half a world away.

Vs something that has been happening for centuries and where a good percentage of the generation population refuses to even acknowledge that there is a problem.
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On a note of optimism, I just took a flight from Montreal to Vancouver on Flair (one of their inaugural flights) and it was completely full. I went Air Canada from Vancouver to Toronto on Air Canada and the 787 was also full. I think things are looking ok!!. Flair was awesome but no buy on board. Air Canada had meals but needed to pre book to get one. Anyone know why that is?? I miss the Freshii meals LOL
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rooster wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:16 am On a note of optimism, I just took a flight from Montreal to Vancouver on Flair (one of their inaugural flights) and it was completely full. I went Air Canada from Vancouver to Toronto on Air Canada and the 787 was also full. I think things are looking ok!!. Flair was awesome but no buy on board. Air Canada had meals but needed to pre book to get one. Anyone know why that is?? I miss the Freshii meals LOL
That's awesome. I'm looking at my flights that I'm supposed to operate in the next few weeks and they def. picked up in numbers. Looking forward to not having to fly empty (or close to empty pax) planes.
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"hard lockdown works, just check out how well australia did things. They are basically normal life now"

Yeah right... Lol

And guess what? It just so happens to be the Southern Hemispheres flu season. So here is a sign of what’s to come for Canada in 4 more months when cases start to climb again…. Optimism!

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That's crazy and sad.

Not too normal in Australia...
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montado wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:46 pm "hard lockdown works, just check out how well australia did things. They are basically normal life now"

Yeah right... Lol

And guess what? It just so happens to be the Southern Hemispheres flu season. So here is a sign of what’s to come for Canada in 4 more months when cases start to climb again…. Optimism!

Who gives a crap about case numbers climbing?? There is no doubt they will climb in the fall.

The metric will be hospitalizations and deaths. Case numbers shouldn't scare anyone one bit.....but the Media will certainly try. Fear sells. So will the Government, as they have likely become addicted to controlling a fearful population.
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