3 BA pilots died following their 2nd jab this last week

[CpnCrunch]

. But people are dying or having serious issues because of the vaccines;

Ref please. Not yt or blog.

[photofly]

THIS should send chills down the spines of the naysayers and name callers.

oh my

You got it backward, you are the naysayer!
And of course TC is right about medical trials.

Hint: They are referring to vaccins not yet approved by them/Health Canada...


As I feel like dealing with the IQ of a flat Earther you are right about one thing, name callers.

That’s what I’m sayin, dumbass THIS HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY HEALTH CANADA! THIS HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED UNDER THE EMERGENCY MEASURES ACT ONLY!!!

Here are the vaccines approved by Health Canada:
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/ ... cines.html

I know you are going to argue that they are only "authorized" and not "approved" - But here's what Health Canada says:
From https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/ ... a.html#2.0

Authorizing a vaccine
Health Canada's Biologic and Radiopharmaceutical Drugs Directorate reviews the data in the submission. When the review is complete, if the benefits of the vaccine outweigh any identified risks, Health Canada issues:

a Notice of Compliance (NOC)
a Drug Identification Number (DIN)
These show that Health Canada has authorized the vaccine for sale in Canada.

If there is not enough evidence to support safety, effectiveness or quality claims:

Health Canada will not authorize the vaccine
the product cannot be sold in Canada
A list of all authorized vaccines can be found in the Drug Product Database.

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https://health-products.canada.ca/dpd-b ... code=99852

The product is MARKETED means not approved yet and is under IO authorization.

[photofly]

Mmmhhmm.

It's listed on a Health Canada webpage which is headed in big letters "Approved Vaccines". That's good enough for me.

[47north]

VAERS. Check VAERS.
Answer this: Is myocarditis a side effect of the jab? Is myocarditis an acceptable side effect to you? What about blood clots?

Anyone can post to VAERS, including anyone with an agenda to discredit the vaccine.

There are well over 1 million entries to that database. Are you saying that there is a conspiracy to discredit the (injection) through VAERS?

Wouldn’t call it a conspiracy, but yes there are many bad actors trying to discredit the vaccine with VAERs data.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... are-tactic

[altiplano]

Anyone can post to VAERS, including anyone with an agenda to discredit the vaccine.

There are well over 1 million entries to that database. Are you saying that there is a conspiracy to discredit the (injection) through VAERS?

Wouldn’t call it a conspiracy, but yes there are many bad actors trying to discredit the vaccine with VAERs data.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... are-tactic

Talk about bad actors... like the CDC, FDA, and Health Canada, all adding new risks and updating chance of those risks, modifying the recommendations on who shouldn't take the vaccines...

It clearly isn't all settled yet.

[CpnCrunch]

There are well over 1 million entries to that database. Are you saying that there is a conspiracy to discredit the (injection) through VAERS?

Wouldn’t call it a conspiracy, but yes there are many bad actors trying to discredit the vaccine with VAERs data.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... are-tactic

Talk about bad actors... like the CDC, FDA, and Health Canada, all adding new risks and updating chance of those risks, modifying the recommendations on who shouldn't take the vaccines...

It clearly isn't all settled yet.

The risk of vaccine vs covid is pretty clear right now. People like you posting misinformation doesn't change the facts.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/fda-add ... cines.html

[altiplano]

Wouldn’t call it a conspiracy, but yes there are many bad actors trying to discredit the vaccine with VAERs data.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... are-tactic

Talk about bad actors... like the CDC, FDA, and Health Canada, all adding new risks and updating chance of those risks, modifying the recommendations on who shouldn't take the vaccines...

It clearly isn't all settled yet.

The risk of vaccine vs covid is pretty clear right now. People like you posting misinformation doesn't change the facts.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/fda-add ... cines.html

What misinformation?

Are you saying that the FDA, CDC and Health Canada have not all revised their information sheets, advisories, side effects, and risk factors associated with the various vaccines? In fact they all have, and they have done it numerous times.

As I said, it's not all settled yet.

Prove me wrong.

[RedAndWhiteBaron]

I really should have invested in popcorn futures when this pandemic started.

[CpnCrunch]

What misinformation?

That the risk profile is similar to flu, and the vaccine risks outweigh the benefits.

Are you saying that the FDA, CDC and Health Canada have not all revised their information sheets, advisories, side effects, and risk factors associated with the various vaccines? In fact they all have, and they have done it numerous times.

No.

As I said, it's not all settled yet.

No, but it's settled enough to know the risk of vaccine vs covid.

[altiplano]

What misinformation?

That the risk profile is similar to flu, and the vaccine risks outweigh the benefits.

Are you saying that the FDA, CDC and Health Canada have not all revised their information sheets, advisories, side effects, and risk factors associated with the various vaccines? In fact they all have, and they have done it numerous times.

No.

As I said, it's not all settled yet.

No, but it's settled enough to know the risk of vaccine vs covid.

The risk profile will be similar to the flu as this virus becomes endenic in our society. In fact, for young people and children, the risk from flu is higher.

You say it's settled enough, yet I see it changing constantly with new issues being found. And then those likelihoods are increasing. Look at the thrombosis issue with the AZ from one in ten million to one in fifty thousand. FDA didn't end up approving it either.

Also, dosage timelines haven't been settled - or at least our government isn't following what is settled from the manufacturer, second dose mixing hasn't been settled, - or again at least our government isn't following what is actually specified, what vaccine requirements will be required from various jurisdictions to travel hasn't been settled - or at least we see in some jurisdictions and events if it's not proof of proper vaccination to manufacture specification of Pfizer, Moderna, or Johnson you're SOL. AZ first dose? Bit of this bit of that? 12 weeks between? No soup for you!

So if that shitshow is settled enough for you then good for you, and I'm glad you got vaccinated.

[montado]

+1

Look at how much political crap you have to sift through. Canada approved AZ because of the lack of other vaccines available as they delayed.

The reason AZ was ”safe” was all about availability and not to do with safety at all. Then as other vaccines became more abundant they said “the risk of covid is less now with more people vaccinated so we suggest using the other vaccines besides az”

And in that time the az science kept sliding becoming more dangerous… i call bs, the experts were aware exactly of the risks with the az vaccines and they manipulated things to get people to take it. They wanted to hide the truth as long as possible, basically until the other vaccines started to roll in. The government is constantly assessing your risk and making decisions for you. Some people accept this because they are religious thinkers and don’t use critical thinking. They just say “I’m not an expert, when the pastor says evolution is fake I ignore science because the pastor is the expert”… then they start calling their thoughts science… creationism is now science, covid policy is apparently science cult followers.

What’s common about religious thinking? They don’t update their views when new information becomes available… all they know how to do is follow their leadership. So if they trust Trudeau, and think he has the best experts, they will continue to follow whatever garbage comes out of the guy’s mouth.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

The fact is, if you believe anything that Trump or his devout followers say, you are allowing yourself to be manipulated.

[montado]

The fact is, if you believe anything that Trump or his devout followers say, you are allowing yourself to be manipulated.

Yes Trump is, or should we say was, just another politician. He equally has a cult following. We have known about this cult for a long time.

The left however can't seem to see how they are no different and subscribe to their own cult following. They think they are the science followers and the right wing folks are all religious thinkers. Turns out the religious type thinkers are found on both sides. Covid policy in Ontario is not science based. They keep saying we need to follow science to re open and people keep wanking to this because they are using faith and hope to follow the leadership and cant use any critical thinking to change their views.

Maybe that's a little unfair. Many have come around to see how idiotic things are. Is anyone here still pro mask? Pro lockdown? How did everyone change their mind? Regardless there's still a bunch of people out there who think masks work better than vaccines.

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[CpnCrunch]

The risk profile will be similar to the flu as this virus becomes endenic in our society. In fact, for young people and children, the risk from flu is higher.

I see you say you started flying commercially over 23 years ago, so I'm guessing you're not a young person. And we haven't got to the point where the virus has a similar risk profile to flu yet.

You say it's settled enough, yet I see it changing constantly with new issues being found. And then those likelihoods are increasing. Look at the thrombosis issue with the AZ from one in ten million to one in fifty thousand. FDA didn't end up approving it either.

We use Pfizer and Moderna in Canada due to that risk. But even then the risk of covid was much higher than risk of dying of blood clot, except for young people.

Also, dosage timelines haven't been settled - or at least our government isn't following what is settled from the manufacturer, second dose mixing hasn't been settled, - or again at least our government isn't following what is actually specified, what vaccine requirements will be required from various jurisdictions to travel hasn't been settled - or at least we see in some jurisdictions and events if it's not proof of proper vaccination to manufacture specification of Pfizer, Moderna, or Johnson you're SOL. AZ first dose? Bit of this bit of that? 12 weeks between? No soup for you!

Well it has been settled here in BC anyway...8 weeks, which I think is what the manufacturer recommends.

So if that shitshow is settled enough for you then good for you, and I'm glad you got vaccinated.

Well it's pretty clear from the evidence we have that the risk of dying from covid is much greater than the risk of the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines (which seems to be close to zero, if not zero). Risk of dying from anaphylaxis, which you were concerned about, seems to be zero. I don't really care if you make a bad decision and die. I'm more concerned about your bad decision making when you fly me in your planes.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

The fact is, if you believe anything that Trump or his devout followers say, you are allowing yourself to be manipulated.

Yes Trump is, or should we say was, just another politician. He equally has a cult following. We have known about this cult for a long time.

The left however can't seem to see how they are no different and subscribe to their own cult following. They think they are the science followers and the right wing folks are all religious thinkers. Turns out the religious type thinkers are found on both sides. Covid policy in Ontario is not science based. They keep saying we need to follow science to re open and people keep wanking to this because they are using faith and hope to follow the leadership and cant use any critical thinking to change their views.

Maybe that's a little unfair. Many have come around to see how idiotic things are. Is anyone here still pro mask? Pro lockdown? How did everyone change their mind? Regardless there's still a bunch of people out there who think masks work better than vaccines.

Oh @#$!, don't consider me left wing. Trudeau is a dick wad and the SJWs who are just pretending to learn about the atrocities of the Aboriginal genocide who are sending their "thoughts and prayers" are not doing anything to help the matter.

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That's stupid. The virus is in the droplets that are exhaled.

[montado]

Just heard today I have a cousin in the states who interviewed and got a job with sky west.

He graduated about a year ago from one of the big flight schools and had been instructing. Imagine that, airlines hiring 1500 hour instructors off the street in America, meanwhile in Canada we have pilots with 20 years in laid off driving fedex delivery.

In Toronto you have the pro lockdown pro mask crowd out protesting saying all children matter. These are the same libertards who condemned the lockdown protesting as super spreader covid events.

Yeah folks! Children’s lives matter… keep schools closed, pump them with vaccines as soon as you get a chance, and do everything in your power to spend as much money today so they can live that burden when they become taxpayers.

Liberals are a plague if I have ever seen one

[altiplano]

I see you say you started flying commercially over 23 years ago, so I'm guessing you're not a young person. And we haven't got to the point where the virus has a similar risk profile to flu yet.

I'm speaking to a wider cross section than myself, and influenza kills kids and round people more than sars-cov2. It's honestly probably 6 of one half dozen the other when an 80+ year old with additional risk factors gets it. Anyway, we will be at that point very soon where risk is comparable, I explained that to you in a previous post that covid and flu with just we what's out there. People have been exposed, people have been vaccinated, it won't be a novel virus anymore.

We use Pfizer and Moderna in Canada due to that risk. But even then the risk of covid was much higher than risk of dying of blood clot, except for young people.

Millions of AstraZeneca doses were administered in Canada. And I used it only as an example, clearly there are new risks that have surfaced as we have gone along for every vaccine such as the cardiac issues mentioned earlier in this thread. Those issues were not known or at least people were not informed of then early on the roll out.

Well it has been settled here in BC anyway...8 weeks, which I think is what the manufacturer recommends.

8 weeks? Incorrect.

Moderna is 28 days. And if required as early as 24, but not longer than 42.

Pfizer is 21 days.

That is the manufacturer specified dosing schedule. Not 8 weeks, not 12 weeks, as we have seen Canadian politicians and technocrats pushing on Canadians to cover their own shortfalls and missteps.

And nowhere is mixed brand dosing specified.

We have yet to see how other jurisdictions will accept that, if vaccine papers are required for travel in the future. As I said, we have already seen some cases where unless you are vaccinated to manufacture dosing guidelines you aren't recognized as fully vaccinated. Or if you received AZ you aren't recognized.

That's like re-writing aircraft manufacturer limitations to suit your needs in the moment... "I know it's certified as a 2 pilot aircraft, but we don't have enough pilots right now so we're going to run with one until the pilot supply picks up, our view is that in the majority of situations that should be OK."

What would the FAA say when you get ramp checked and you're operating single pilot in an airliner? It's okay, Canada said I could do it? Not here they'll say.

So I'm happy to wait for more information. Let the air clear.

Well it's pretty clear from the evidence we have that the risk of dying from covid is much greater than the risk of the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines (which seems to be close to zero, if not zero). Risk of dying from anaphylaxis, which you were concerned about, seems to be zero. I don't really care if you make a bad decision and die. I'm more concerned about your bad decision making when you fly me in your planes.

Clearly the risk of the vaccines is not zero. And aside from the potential side effects, you could still get covid and die. The risk ot covid is not zero, but like the vaccines is close to zero for the vast majority of the population. With covid numbers so low at this point and the fact that most things are closed or barely open and going in to natural seasonal of the virus, I believe the chance of even catching covid is close to zero... So close to zero chance of catching a virus I have close to zero chance of dying from... even closer to zero risk as far as I can tell. That said I may yet decide to get vaccinated, but for now I'm more than comfortable given the low risk to wait for more information.

I'll also add, you really are a hateful guy. I simply have a reasoned opinion that's different than yours. I haven't been abusive to you, I'm not against people getting vaccinated, and you're telling me to get covid and die and insulting my professional decision making? You need to look hard at your own attitudes and perceptions I think.

[JerryRig]

+1

Look at how much political crap you have to sift through. Canada approved AZ because of the lack of other vaccines available as they delayed.

This is the crux of the issue. Most of those that are pro-experimental gene therapy drug actually believe it is a vaccine that is approved. Get this through you thick skulls: IT IS NOT APPROVED, ONLY AUTHORIZED. Hitler authorized through law to decimate millions of people. All dictators do dirty dead’s through authorization. To get any drug approved it must pass a number of litmus tests then finally it is passed as an act through parliamentary vote. These drugs were AUTHORIZED under the emergencies act and are being strongly marketed via campaigns. You are being manipulated to volunteer for a medical experiment, but they are withholding critical information so that you can not make an informed decision to participate in a world wide medical experiment. This is a clear violation of the Nuremberg Code, and there will be justice, eventually, if there are any survivors left.

Look up authorized vs. approved covid drugs on health kanuckistan website and you will see I am telling the truth.

JR

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

+1

Look at how much political crap you have to sift through. Canada approved AZ because of the lack of other vaccines available as they delayed.

This is the crux of the issue. Most of those that are pro-experimental gene therapy drug actually believe it is a vaccine that is approved. Get this through you thick skulls: IT IS NOT APPROVED, ONLY AUTHORIZED. Hitler authorized through law to decimate millions of people. All dictators do dirty dead’s through authorization. To get any drug approved it must pass a number of litmus tests then finally it is passed as an act through parliamentary vote. These drugs were AUTHORIZED under the emergencies act and are being strongly marketed via campaigns. You are being manipulated to volunteer for a medical experiment, but they are withholding critical information so that you can not make an informed decision to participate in a world wide medical experiment. This is a clear violation of the Nuremberg Code, and there will be justice, eventually, if there are any survivors left.

Look up authorized vs. approved covid drugs on health kanuckistan website and you will see I am telling the truth.

JR

Really? You're comparing the COVID-19 vaccines to a maniac who systematically murdered 10s of millions of people?

[CpnCrunch]

I'll also add, you really are a hateful guy. I simply have a reasoned opinion that's different than yours. I haven't been abusive to you, I'm not against people getting vaccinated, and you're telling me to get covid and die and insulting my professional decision making? You need to look hard at your own attitudes and perceptions I think.

Hey, I'm just going by what you posted. No need for personal attacks You said you didn't want to get the vaccine because of the risk of anaphalaxis. I checked, and the risk of death seems to be zero. So clearly that seems to be an incorrect decision based on your incomplete assessment of the facts unless I'm missing something. The facts show that covid has a mortaility risk, but the vaccines (pfizer/moderna) don't (from what I can see). We have various studies looking at changes to the dosing for second shot, so that doesn't seem to be an issue either.

[altiplano]

I'll also add, you really are a hateful guy. I simply have a reasoned opinion that's different than yours. I haven't been abusive to you, I'm not against people getting vaccinated, and you're telling me to get covid and die and insulting my professional decision making? You need to look hard at your own attitudes and perceptions I think.

Hey, I'm just going by what you posted. No need for personal attacks You said you didn't want to get the vaccine because of the risk of anaphalaxis. I checked, and the risk of death seems to be zero. So clearly that seems to be an incorrect decision based on your incomplete assessment of the facts unless I'm missing something. The facts show that covid has a mortaility risk, but the vaccines (pfizer/moderna) don't (from what I can see). We have various studies looking at changes to the dosing for second shot, so that doesn't seem to be an issue either.

Personal attacks? You inferred to me to get covid and die, then you questioned my proficiency at work. I suggest you be more accepting of people who have viewpoints that vary from your own.

I have suggested a lot of reasons why I'm waiting and watching, the changing situations, the low covid risk, government ineptitude, inability to assure manufacturer specified dosing, changing politics, changing guidance. You're grasping at little and ignoring most. You are incorrect in your assessment of dosing schedules, vaccine mixing, documented escalating side effects, and are ignoring what doesn't fit with the decision you have made.

I'm glad you're happy with your choices, but just the fact that these vaccines haven't seen full approvals beyond emergency use and governments can't project a clear policy on what it will take to open borders or what vaccine requirements will be shows that it isn't all settled yet.

[CpnCrunch]

Personal attacks? You inferred to me to get covid and die,

That's what covid does, as you have acknowledged. I think your particular mortality risk is between 0.1 and 1%. That's not a personal attack, it's just the facts. I'm in a similar position, as I've only had 1 vaccine so far.

then you questioned my proficiency at work.

Your plane pretty much flies itself. Your main job is to assess and manage risk.

I suggest you be more accepting of people who have viewpoints that vary from your own.

I don't give a crap about viewpoints, and I don't have any fixed viewpoints myself. I look at the science, and will change my view to what the evidence says.

I have suggested a lot of reasons why I'm waiting and watching, the changing situations, the low covid risk, government ineptitude, inability to assure manufacturer specified dosing, changing politics, changing guidance. You're grasping at little and ignoring most. You are incorrect in your assessment of dosing schedules, vaccine mixing, documented escalating side effects, and are ignoring what doesn't fit with the decision you have made.

Ok, so what is the risk of dying from covid vs from the vaccine, and hospitalisation from covid vs the vaccine in your age group (which I assume is similar to mine)?

I'm glad you're happy with your choices, but just the fact that these vaccines haven't seen full approvals beyond emergency use and governments can't project a clear policy on what it will take to open borders or what vaccine requirements will be shows that it isn't all settled yet.

Who cares about that. What is important is the evidence. The evidence shows that covid has a much higher mortality than the vaccine (which seems to be pretty much zero), and you haven't given any evidence to the contrary. The evidence also shows that our hospitals were overflowing due to covid cases from people who didn't bother getting vaccinated. That's pretty much why I haven't been able to see my family for over a year. I see a lot of WJ and AC pilots complain about not flying, but the main reason I haven't been able to fly commercially and spend money on AC or WJ in the past few months is due to people deciding not to get vaccinated. It's frankly as irritating as hell.

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https://www.expatica.com/pt/news/lisbon ... id-100196/
Lisbon court rules only 0.9% of ‘verified cases’ actually died of Covid
Published on June 28, 2021
Following a citizen’s petition, a Lisbon court was forced to provide verified Covid-19 mortality data. According to the ruling, the number of verified Covid-19 deaths from January 2020 to April 2021 is only 152, not the 17,000 as claimed by government ministries.

All the “others” died for various reasons, although their PCR test was positive.