Porter receiving E195-E2?

[schnitzel2k3]

Not happening.

Porter is not in any financial situation to purchase new aircraft.

What are they going to do with them? Park them next to the Qs?

Hmm eating those words now.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Not happening.

Porter is not in any financial situation to purchase new aircraft.

What are they going to do with them? Park them next to the Qs?

Hmm eating those words now.

I saw the article and immediately remembered that I made a skeptical remark about it.

Yes, definitely eating my words now.

[rudder]

Not happening.

Porter is not in any financial situation to purchase new aircraft.

What are they going to do with them? Park them next to the Qs?

Hmm eating those words now.

I saw the article and immediately remembered that I made a skeptical remark about it.

Yes, definitely eating my words now.

Porter hasn’t ‘bought’ anything yet. They have signed an order sheet for 30 aircraft. Perhaps placed deposits.

‘Bought’ happens with forward payments and final delivery settling of account. Ultimate transaction may be sale to third party with leaseback.

[Kosiw]

Hmm eating those words now.

I saw the article and immediately remembered that I made a skeptical remark about it.

Yes, definitely eating my words now.

Porter hasn’t ‘bought’ anything yet. They have signed an order sheet for 30 aircraft. Perhaps placed deposits.

‘Bought’ happens with forward payments and final delivery settling of account. Ultimate transaction may be sale to third party with leaseback.

Aviation version of Three-card Monte

[schnitzel2k3]

Not happening.

Porter is not in any financial situation to purchase new aircraft.

What are they going to do with them? Park them next to the Qs?

Hmm eating those words now.

I saw the article and immediately remembered that I made a skeptical remark about it.

Yes, definitely eating my words now.

Hehe all good, at least it's very positive news for an industry absolutely brutalized by the pandemic in Canada.

Can't wait to see the rollout.

[Old fella]

Hmm eating those words now.

I saw the article and immediately remembered that I made a skeptical remark about it.

Yes, definitely eating my words now.

Hehe all good, at least it's very positive news for an industry absolutely brutalized by the pandemic in Canada.

Can't wait to see the rollout.

Indeed, very good to hear such news. Wishing Porter every success in this new adventure, competition is good for everyone.

[ggofp]

whatever happened to their c-ceries/A220 order?! I suspect this is more of the same.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

whatever happened to their c-ceries/A220 order?! I suspect this is more of the same.

Fell through like flour in a sieve.

[goldeneagle]

whatever happened to their c-ceries/A220 order?! I suspect this is more of the same.

It was conditional on being allowed to use them into the island was it not ?

[Splash]

whatever happened to their c-ceries/A220 order?! I suspect this is more of the same.

It was conditional on being allowed to use them into the island was it not ?

I believe that is correct. It is interesting that they chose to purchase the E195-E2 and it was not conditional on having access for the aircraft at YTZ. Leaves me wondering, had they kept the conditional order for the A220, instead of letting it lapse, would they have today announced the firming of the order with the intent to operate it out of YYZ, etc,?

[PT6onH20]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.6087309

No sweat, we all paid for these Brazilian airplanes.

[PRM1]

Deal was in place long before any gov money was handed out.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.6087309

No sweat, we all paid for these Brazilian airplanes.

Loan: a thing that is borrowed, especially a sum of money that is expected to be paid back with interest.

[Loon-A-Tic]

The instant Porter leaves the security of CYTZ and ventures into CYYZ country they will be served a beating by Team Teal and the AC Mothership.

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Where will they get the gates from at YYZ? Sunwing was having a hard enough time getting gates at T3, and so completely moved all operations to the infield terminal just before COVID hit. Last time I was in YUL, most of the gates at the main terminal were occupied as well as the satellite terminal where Jazz and Air North operate.

I'm sure they have it figured out, but I'm just curious how they'll operate 30 let alone 80 aircraft at these airports.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Where will they get the gates from at YYZ? Sunwing was having a hard enough time getting gates at T3, and so completely moved all operations to the infield terminal just before COVID hit. Last time I was in YUL, most of the gates at the main terminal were occupied as well as the satellite terminal where Jazz and Air North operate.

I'm sure they have it figured out, but I'm just curious how they'll operate 30 let alone 80 aircraft at these airports.

I'm sure Porter would push for T1, but with Air Canada having the airport by the balls, it'll probably never happen.

Does anyone know if AC has control over the terminal, or if it's just their influence that keeps their competitors relegated to T3?

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Porter does have an agreement with El Al whereby you can buy one ticket and connect on either airline. El Al flies out of T3 at YYZ, so I think it would make sense from a passenger-connection situation for Porter to use T3 as well.

But again, there is no room that I see at T3. The GTAA has even started fully utilizing the Satellite portion of T3 which sat vacant for years, and the infield terminal is supposed to be exclusively for Sunwing.

As a Sunwing pilot though, I'd be happy if Porter took the infield terminal. It's a major pain to get to and from that place.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Porter does have an agreement with El Al whereby you can buy one ticket and connect on either airline. El Al flies out of T3 at YYZ, so I think it would make sense from a passenger-connection situation for Porter to use T3 as well.

But again, there is no room that I see at T3. The GTAA has even started fully utilizing the Satellite portion of T3 which sat vacant for years, and the infield terminal is supposed to be exclusively for Sunwing.

As a Sunwing pilot though, I'd be happy if Porter took the infield terminal. It's a major pain to get to and from that place.

Why would anyone do that? Who would connect between Pearson and the island when you can fly WestJet or Air Canada for the same price?

[YC87DRVR]

Porter does have an agreement with El Al whereby you can buy one ticket and connect on either airline. El Al flies out of T3 at YYZ, so I think it would make sense from a passenger-connection situation for Porter to use T3 as well.

But again, there is no room that I see at T3. The GTAA has even started fully utilizing the Satellite portion of T3 which sat vacant for years, and the infield terminal is supposed to be exclusively for Sunwing.

As a Sunwing pilot though, I'd be happy if Porter took the infield terminal. It's a major pain to get to and from that place.

Why would anyone do that? Who would connect between Pearson and the island when you can fly WestJet or Air Canada for the same price?

You’ve obviously never flown Porter before, their service and experience is far far far superior.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Porter does have an agreement with El Al whereby you can buy one ticket and connect on either airline. El Al flies out of T3 at YYZ, so I think it would make sense from a passenger-connection situation for Porter to use T3 as well.

But again, there is no room that I see at T3. The GTAA has even started fully utilizing the Satellite portion of T3 which sat vacant for years, and the infield terminal is supposed to be exclusively for Sunwing.

As a Sunwing pilot though, I'd be happy if Porter took the infield terminal. It's a major pain to get to and from that place.

Why would anyone do that? Who would connect between Pearson and the island when you can fly WestJet or Air Canada for the same price?

You’ve obviously never flown Porter before, their service and experience is far far far superior.

I have flown Porter.

I'd like to hear why you believe Porter has far far superior service and experience.

[A380FC]

Interesting that they have potentially "billions" to invest in new aircraft.... while at the same time they are cutting all employees wages by 6-8% across the board AND completely gutting health insurance benefits AND gutting RRSP matching for the next 12-18 month all under the guise of "we are all in this together so we must all suffer together".

Nobody at Porter getting any merit pay raise until the company becomes "cashflow positive" either. Since Porter is a private company, are the employees suppose to trust senior management when "cashflow positive" is attained since there are so many ways to calculate it and nobody can see the book? Is it cashflow positive before loan repayment? Is it cashflow positive including any loan payment plus interest?

Porter does have a major advantage in one aspect (similar to Sunwing and Transat) as they downsize from "large" to "small" carrier for APPR purposes so regulatory liability from both compensation and alternate arrangement obligations will go down significantly for the next 3 years.

I am really curious to see which terminal (1 or 3) and which slots they are able to secure at YYZ. Also, how many connecting flights will they offer where passengers need to transfer between YYZ and YTZ?

[goldeneagle]

whatever happened to their c-ceries/A220 order?! I suspect this is more of the same.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/por ... 34.article

[NobodyImportant]

Why would anyone do that? Who would connect between Pearson and the island when you can fly WestJet or Air Canada for the same price?

You’ve obviously never flown Porter before, their service and experience is far far far superior.

I have flown Porter.

I'd like to hear why you believe Porter has far far superior service and experience.

The experience is of course entirely subjective. But I agree 100% with YC87. Since Porter started, I've never flown any other airline to any destination they serve.

I wish nothing but the best for Porter. They're a true Canadian gem of an airline, and IMHO we're lucky to have them. But I do wonder if they can maintain the same level of excellence out of Pearson. Or for that matter, with larger planes - those Q400's do impart a level of "intimacy", for lack of a better word, between the crew and passengers, that would be lost in larger planes.

Let's not forget that it was Porter, and nobody else, who turned Billy Bishop from a rinky-dink local airfield, into an international destination. It is because of Porter that we have a viable downtown airport. They're scrappy enough that I can see this plan working, even if I fail to understand the details.

(no, I am not affiliated with Porter Airlines)

[Loon-A-Tic]

You’ve obviously never flown Porter before, their service and experience is far far far superior.

I have flown Porter.

I'd like to hear why you believe Porter has far far superior service and experience.

The experience is of course entirely subjective. But I agree 100% with YC87. Since Porter started, I've never flown any other airline to any destination they serve.

I wish nothing but the best for Porter. They're a true Canadian gem of an airline, and IMHO we're lucky to have them. But I do wonder if they can maintain the same level of excellence out of Pearson. Or for that matter, with larger planes - those Q400's do impart a level of "intimacy", for lack of a better word, between the crew and passengers, that would be lost in larger planes.

Let's not forget that it was Porter, and nobody else, who turned Billy Bishop from a rinky-dink local airfield, into an international destination. It is because of Porter that we have a viable downtown airport. They're scrappy enough that I can see this plan working, even if I fail to understand the details.

(no, I am not affiliated with Porter Airlines)

You should use your Googlefu and look up City Express if you really want to know who put life back into CYTZ.

[NobodyImportant]

You should use your Googlefu and look up City Express if you really want to know who put life back into CYTZ.

Ooh, this is interesting. Before my time really - I was coming of age (12) when City Express shut down in 1991, so I don't recall them. And everything I can find on them is basically the same three regurgitated paragraphs. When I got my license, Porter did not yet exist, so I do remember what Billy Bishop was like without a major airline, and then obviously I remember what Porter did.

I'd appreciate any links you can send my way.