1900 replacement?

[C-GGGQ]

https://newatlas.com/aircraft/hearts-a ... -airlines/

As discussed before, there is nothing really being built in the 19 seat (or 37 dash 8-100) size anymore, and not all routes need a q400. With 100 purchased by United, could this be the replacement the market needs?

[PilotDAR]

My bold:

Swedish startup Heart Aerospace is developing an all-electric aircraft designed for short trips that simply aren't economically feasible for conventional planes. The company has just attracted a new round of investors to help get its turboprop plane off the ground,

You gotta like those all electric turboprop motor engines!

This will happen, but it's a long time off before battery energy density is sufficient for the route and the IFR reserves. I know that the authorities are open to new design requirements being developed to allow certification of such aircraft, but the work still has to be done on that side too.

I think that the world should focus on every mode of surface transport for electric alternatives first, aircraft will be far down the development path. But I guess that even the magazine article speculation is green promotion for the airlines....

[C-GGGQ]

Yes realistically we’re looking not at a 5-600 nm trip but a 2-300 mile trip with reserves but i mean, that covers a lot of interprovincial routes in ab sk mb nw ont that are covered by a 1900/ metro now. And. 40 min charge time either end isn’t a deal breaker really just a sched adjustment. Now…. None of those operators are buying a new plane….. ever so we ‘d have to wait till united beats the shit out of them first lol

[fish4life]

Pretty much every northern Ontario community produces power from diesel generators from fuel that is flown in most of the year so I doubt we are doing anything productive by switching to electric aircraft

[bobcaygeon]

Pretty much every northern Ontario community produces power from diesel generators from fuel that is flown in most of the year so I doubt we are doing anything productive by switching to electric aircraft

The North rarely flies anything that isn't old and tired so they'll likely have a powerline by then.

FYI They are currently in progress building a powerline to YPM and north so th end of diesel is coming. MB is all hydro already so it's doable.

[‘Bob’]

Pretty much every northern Ontario community produces power from diesel generators from fuel that is flown in most of the year so I doubt we are doing anything productive by switching to electric aircraft

Why would the type of aircraft make a difference? If anything it would mean they would have to fly less fuel.

[C-GGGQ]

Pretty much every northern Ontario community produces power from diesel generators from fuel that is flown in most of the year so I doubt we are doing anything productive by switching to electric aircraft

Why would the type of aircraft make a difference? If anything it would mean they would have to fly less fuel.

He’s saying it won’t be cleaner because you’ll have to burn diesel to charge up the plane for the return trip. I’m less concerned with Cleaner and just saying “hey, someones building a new 19 seater which none are currently being produced”

[Scuderia]

Pretty much every northern Ontario community produces power from diesel generators from fuel that is flown in most of the year so I doubt we are doing anything productive by switching to electric aircraft

That's likely true, but can't say that for certain without comparing efficiencies.

Using a diesel generator then using the electricity in an electric vehicle could be more efficient than running a diesel engined car.

[C-GGGQ]

Pretty much every northern Ontario community produces power from diesel generators from fuel that is flown in most of the year so I doubt we are doing anything productive by switching to electric aircraft

That's likely true, but can't say that for certain without comparing efficiencies.

Using a diesel generator then using the electricity in an electric vehicle could be more efficient than running a diesel engined car.

That is in fact true. A gen runs at its most efficient all the time, a car revs up and down through its power band. I think the small nuclear reactors being researched have merit too. Gone may be the days of diesel truck engines (thats all the gens are volvo semi engines) and each community or maybe a cluster get these small reactor tech.

[J31]

https://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier

[Inverted2]

Pretty much every northern Ontario community produces power from diesel generators from fuel that is flown in most of the year so I doubt we are doing anything productive by switching to electric aircraft

That's likely true, but can't say that for certain without comparing efficiencies.

Using a diesel generator then using the electricity in an electric vehicle could be more efficient than running a diesel engined car.

That is in fact true. A gen runs at its most efficient all the time, a car revs up and down through its power band. I think the small nuclear reactors being researched have merit too. Gone may be the days of diesel truck engines (thats all the gens are volvo semi engines) and each community or maybe a cluster get these small reactor tech.

I shudder at the thought of a small nuclear reactor on a northern reserve.

[C-GGGQ]

That's likely true, but can't say that for certain without comparing efficiencies.

Using a diesel generator then using the electricity in an electric vehicle could be more efficient than running a diesel engined car.

That is in fact true. A gen runs at its most efficient all the time, a car revs up and down through its power band. I think the small nuclear reactors being researched have merit too. Gone may be the days of diesel truck engines (thats all the gens are volvo semi engines) and each community or maybe a cluster get these small reactor tech.

I shudder at the thought of a small nuclear reactor on a northern reserve.

Yeah….. that’s fair…

[C-GGGQ]

https://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier

But not pressurized so not really a 1900 replacement.

[DadoBlade]

The twin-engine PT6 powered Indian NAL Saras had good intentions as a 1900 replacement. Alas, only two prototypes were built, as global politics and a lack of government money and support lead to cancellation of the project. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAL_Saras

[valleyboy]

They are still using DC3's so do the math

[Cliff Jumper]

https://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier

But not pressurized so not really a 1900 replacement.

I thought they had planned a pressurized version, hence the small ovalized windows?

[C-GGGQ]

https://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier

But not pressurized so not really a 1900 replacement.

I thought they had planned a pressurized version, hence the small ovalized windows?

Not that I know of, but maybe?

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

https://cessna.txtav.com/-/media/cessna ... tcard.ashx

A service ceiling of 25,000 indicates a pressurized aircraft without oxygen masks at all of the seats.

But that means nothing as all of the material I am finding is regarding an unpressurized aircraft.

Maybe future plans to sell to companies other than FedEx.

[The Hammer]

They are still using DC3's so do the math

To haul pop and chips, not people. Buffalo being the exception on YHY-YZF-YHY

[valleyboy]

It was an example of northern forward thinking - Damn I personally have been involved from time to time (starting and finishing my career) with a DC-3 strapped to my ass -- and that started in 1971 -- so me alone 50 years of DC3 to DC3T with 35 years driving other stuff in the middle.

There are enough beat up -8s out there to keep it going for a few years, the 1900 was always a weird aircraft and I know operators didn't want them initially , way tooooo much money for just 19 seats, The 99 made a lot more sense then .

Combi aircraft have no passenger appeal and maybe a 705 a/c is over kill for the reserves and hamlets but you also need seat capacity to make any money so small aircraft (like 6 to 10 seats) make no sense unless it's really short haul.

Such a small market, even given world wide demand that not many companies out there will develop an aeroplane that fits, you just have a hard time selling new aircraft to northern operators when they can use types from a cpl generations ago. Ironically the DC3T bassler is very expensive and now out of sight cost wise for most.They might be up dated but they don't have the curb appeal or performance for northern passengers of today. So we chase our tail around in circles we go.