CDC says delta variant spreads as easy as chickenpox

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How many more times will we hear, “highly effective, but still need restrictions”

No matter how effective, vaccines only work if you actually take them. So to answer your question, probably for as long as we have idiots who refuse to take the vaccine.

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The vax narrative changes daily like socks.

Can you provide me with some concrete examples of the narrative changing? I've been paying pretty close attention, and the narrative has seemed pretty steady to me. The few changes I've witnessed have been supported by data and/or changes in resource availability.

So, does the polio vaccine prevent polio or simply lessen the symptoms?

As I understand it, the Polio vaccine prevent infection outright. But I'm not an expert and stand to be corrected on that. I'm not really sure how it's relevant though. Every virus is different. And different vaccines have different success rates. This isn't really complicated.

Science changes when the media needs it to...

Science changes when it gets better data.

And the media reports what it wants to regardless of what the science says. I would think that anyone who works in aviation and has ever read a news story about airplanes would understand this.

... and about half of everyone believes it.

Are you talking about the science or the media? If more people were literate and understood* the science, we'd probably be completely out of this mess by now.

The vaxxed got vaxxed for nothing...they got suckered in with the summer travel and now they get beat with the same stick as the unvaxxed.

Let's assume for a moment that you're right (you're not, but let's pretend). What did getting vaccinated cost me? A sore arm for a day? So what? If that's what it takes for a chance at fixing the problem, sign me up.

[montado]

How many more times will we hear, “highly effective, but still need restrictions”

No matter how effective, vaccines only work if you actually take them. So to answer your question, probably for as long as we have idiots who refuse to take the vaccine.

You can pretend other people’s choice to vaccinate or not impacts you, but the science doesn’t say that. The science says the vaccines protect the user from the odds of death and hospitalization. The vaccinated will still get covid and still spread covid.

Restrictions are political, nothing to do with your health and well being. I’m perfectly fine with the Alberta approach. Unless you have some science I have not seen. Maybe you know something I don’t know? If we are at about 70 percent vaccinated I don’t see how the 30 percent impact you for anything other than politicians playing politics.

[TheStig]

Wow pez you sound just like a politician.

Vaccines are safe and effective and available to all. But you need to wear a mask! If we all pull together we can do this! No one wanted the restrictions, but we know you are hermits… even though covid death is 10x less likely than a flu death when vaccinated, we got everyone so scared they will never want to remove their mask and they are all having a pissing match over vaccine passports. Great success!

How many more times will we hear, “highly effective, but still need restrictions”

montado have you been vaccinated?

[montado]

Wow pez you sound just like a politician.

Vaccines are safe and effective and available to all. But you need to wear a mask! If we all pull together we can do this! No one wanted the restrictions, but we know you are hermits… even though covid death is 10x less likely than a flu death when vaccinated, we got everyone so scared they will never want to remove their mask and they are all having a pissing match over vaccine passports. Great success!

How many more times will we hear, “highly effective, but still need restrictions”

montado have you been vaccinated?

Not that it’s anyone’s business, but yes I am vaccinated. I have always said getting a vaccine is the way out of the pandemic and mask policy is completely idiotic. I still stand by that. Once the vulnerable are all able to make the choice to get a vaccine I don’t see any more reasons for any government restrictions around covid (that day is already months behind us now). I mean I’m pretty okay with how things are now, life doesn’t seem that restricted. However I would like to see the border nonsense change as this has hit our industry hard. If we have to wear masks to say air travel is safe and let everyone travel with no other restrictions so be it. I’m also concerned more restrictions will come back and I think we should be beyond that.

Couldn’t care less other people’s vaccine choices, and I will happily work with, and socialize with anyone regardless of those choices (I have friends and family on both sides of the fence, but this doesn’t change anything about my relationship, sure I think it’s dumb for older people to not vaccinate as they are more at risk). Science says I’m protected, what everyone else is doing has little to no impact on me from a health perspective. Time to move on. Life is to short.

[acpaleaks]

Montado got his "vaccine" from a guy on East Hastings, which is why it sounds like he's high all the time.

[flying4dollars]

Time to have a chicken pox party then........ Gotta ramp up the fear because even the vaccinated sheeple are growing tired of the hoax.

Or maybe the vaccines don’t work against the Delta Force?

Y'know... I'll make this brief.

COVID is not a hoax. The Delta variant is not a hoax (unfortunately). Vaccines are safe and effective. And this f@#$cking pandemic is not anywhere near as close to the end as I, and many others, were hoping it was.

None of us chose this, but it is what it is. With what is now known of the transmissibility of the delta variant, and with various jurisdictions continuing to relax restrictions - most of us will probably be exposed to it sooner or later. Masking, social distancing, etc will be important to maintain where able for the time being. Vaccines provide very good personal protection, even if there is less protection for other than with early COVID variants. If you're unvaccinated, your chances of being infected in the next few months are probably pretty high. And from what is known of the Delta variant in particular - that's really best avoided, vaccinated or not. If you're not vaccinated, just do it. It's not a government/business/Bill Gates/Amazon/whater the f%*$ck people keep telling me it is conspiracy. It's just not.

A few weeks ago it looked like we were on track to start moving on - and I hope current, early data on this isn't correct. But what it points to now is that we're not done yet. (Again, unfortunately).

nah

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You can pretend other people’s choice to vaccinate or not impacts you, but the science doesn’t say that.

The science very much does say that. Maybe you missed the Grade 6 health class where you would have been taught about herd immunity. Even setting that aside, not everybody is eligible for the vaccine yet. There are three children in my household who can't get vaccinated yet because the clinical trials for their demographic are not complete yet. If you think one of my kids dying or becoming permanently disabled doesn't affect me, give your head a shake.

Choosing to not get vaccinated is not only stupid from a self-preservation perspective, it's appallingly selfish and speaks volumes about a person's lack of character.

The science says the vaccines protect the user from the odds of death and hospitalization. The vaccinated will still get covid and still spread covid.

The populations currently getting sick are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated. Further, if I get COVID, the fact that I'm vaccinated not only improves my odds wrt serious symptoms, it reduces my viral load and reduces the time I'm infected for. Both of these reduce the ability of the virus to spread to other people (the fact that I'm less likely to be coughing and sneezing plays a pretty important role as well). The fact that this may not mean the risk is reduced to zero doesn't matter. The risk is reduced by a statistically significant amount. That statistically significant change is further leveraged by the exponential nature of disease propagation.

Restrictions are political, nothing to do with your health and well being.

Yes. I'm sure all of the politicians were thrilled to make wildly unpopular decisions. Very political.

I’m perfectly fine with the Alberta approach.

So the politicians you like are making good decisions. The others are "political". Alberta politicians are not political. Got it.

Unless you have some science I have not seen. Maybe you know something I don’t know?

What exactly do you need to see? Germ theory has been around for several centuries. Vaccines have been around for what, two centuries? The underlying mathematics of epidemiology is just exponential growth, which has been well understood for at least 4 centuries, maybe longer. Even the mathematics of probability is a few centuries old. None of this stuff is new, cutting edge science.

If we are at about 70 percent vaccinated I don’t see how the 30 percent impact you for anything other than politicians playing politics.

We're not at 70% vaccinated. We're at just under 60% of the *eligible* population vaccinated. Another 10-ish% (of the *eligible* population) are half vaccinated. About 13-ish% of the population is still ineligible to be vaccinated. But it doesn't matter. Whether you want to be honest and state that ~50% of the population is vaccinated, or if you want to use bullshit numbers to make things sound better at 70% vaccinated, the number isn't high enough. Depending on the virus and the vaccine characteristics, vaccination rate requirements for herd immunity can be north of 90%. Higher requirements are more likely with vaccines that still allow transmission.

[montado]

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I guess I did miss grade 6 health class. All this evolving science that keeps on changing do people who get covid develop some immunity? I guess we won’t need vaccines for that? Can vaccinated people still pass covid to other people? Seems like you want to make up your own science .

I think you misinterpreted many things I said. I don’t “like” or “dislike” Kenny. I just agree with his latest political decision on covid. I happen to dislike fords political decisions, so it’s not some partisan conservative take.

Are the decisions politicians are making “wildly unpopular”. I think you just made that up. Last I checked ford and Trudeau are leading in the polls, so I guess many are happy enough with the choices?

I’m pretty happy with the take up of the vaccine in Canada. You seem unhappy about it, and I don’t know why. I think Canada has done an excellent job getting vaccines out. Vaccines will never his 100 percent, so I don’t have a percent figure I think we need to get to. I made my choice to protect myself and my family and I’m satisfied it’s adequate to move on with no restrictions.

If new science emerges in 6 months and I need to re evaluate I’ll do so then.

Montado got his "vaccine" from a guy on East Hastings, which is why it sounds like he's high all the time.

It’s hard for people to believe someone can want a vaccine for themselves and not give a shit what other people do

I have taken the flu shot before and never once felt compelled to be concerned about other people’s choices. Experts can show me data that suggests I’m 10x more likely to die of the flu than of covid now that I have my shots… maybe I do sound a little high! Life is good

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All this evolving science that keeps on changing

Could you provide us with a specific example of science that has changed?

Seems like you want to make up your own science .

What science is it you think I've made up? Germ theory? Vaccines? Exponential growth? Probability? I'm afraid I can't take credit for any of that.

do people who get covid develop some immunity? I guess we won’t need vaccines for that?

I stand to be corrected, but it's my understanding that recovering from COVID does provide some immunity, but it's also my understanding that the effect is short term. And of course there's the fact that you have to get the disease, with all of it's associated risks, in order to benefit from this immunity. A vaccine is much easier, much less risky, and from what we can tell so far, more effective.

Can vaccinated people still pass covid to other people?

Passing a virus on is not a binary status (i.e. - you pass it on or you don't, you pass it to everybody or nobody, all or nothing). How much a virus gets passed on is expressed as it's R_0 value. I believe the preliminary data is that, at least for some of the vaccines, passing COVID on is still a possibility. But it's still an expectation that a vaccinated person would pass the virus on to fewer people than an unvaccinated person. This reduces the R_0 of the virus and everybody wins. This isn't rocket surgery. If I get vaccinated, that benefits the people around me, and the people around them. The fact that it benefits me is a really nice bonus.

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I guess I did miss grade 6 health class. All this evolving science that keeps on changing do people who get covid develop some immunity? I guess we won’t need vaccines for that? Can vaccinated people still pass covid to other people? Seems like you want to make up your own science .

I think you misinterpreted many things I said. I don’t “like” or “dislike” Kenny. I just agree with his latest political decision on covid. I happen to dislike fords political decisions, so it’s not some partisan conservative take.

Are the decisions politicians are making “wildly unpopular”. I think you just made that up. Last I checked ford and Trudeau are leading in the polls, so I guess many are happy enough with the choices?

I’m pretty happy with the take up of the vaccine in Canada. You seem unhappy about it, and I don’t know why. I think Canada has done an excellent job getting vaccines out. Vaccines will never his 100 percent, so I don’t have a percent figure I think we need to get to. I made my choice to protect myself and my family and I’m satisfied it’s adequate to move on with no restrictions.

If new science emerges in 6 months and I need to re evaluate I’ll do so then.

Montado got his "vaccine" from a guy on East Hastings, which is why it sounds like he's high all the time.

It’s hard for people to believe someone can want a vaccine for themselves and not give a shit what other people do

I have taken the flu shot before and never once felt compelled to be concerned about other people’s choices. Experts can show me data that suggests I’m 10x more likely to die of the flu than of covid now that I have my shots… maybe I do sound a little high! Life is good

I'm just busting your balls.

[FL320]

Let's assume for a moment that you're right (you're not, but let's pretend). What did getting vaccinated cost me? A sore arm for a day? So what? If that's what it takes for a chance at fixing the problem, sign me up.

Luckily it did not cost you anything - yet as the long term side effects are unknown- I can send you a copy or the 10 years confidential but leaked Pfizer-Government agreement and it’s clearly written - among many other disgusting clauses- that they have no idea about any long term side effects and they won’t be liable.
Thousands of people got very serious side effects and some died because of the vaccine; this is official. Few days ago a 22 years old passed away in my area 90 minutes after the jab because of a serious allergic reaction.
So stating that vaccines are safe is just a false information and discredit your agenda.
You should at least be respectful with these unlucky individuals; for now you just look as selfish as the unvaccinated; just because you want to get back to normalcy (which is very subjective; I would say that my life has been way better since the beginning of covid).

[nutlord]

How effective do you put them at?

If they're so effective then why after a year of wearing them do we still have covid?

People still die in car accidents sometimes, so we shouldn't bother wearing seatbelts.

Except seatbelts are highly effective.

As are non-medical masks, or N95 masks. Can you please explain to me why you feel that they are ineffective? I get that we still have folks dying and catching covid, but it seems that the no-mask alternative would simply result in an easier spread of the illness. I'm not saying masks are perfect, just that if you have Covid and aren't aware, wearing one would logically be more effective at preventing transmission to others than not wearing one. I don't enjoy wearing a mask. Its annoying. I'm in my mid 20s and would probably be just fine if I caught covid. It just seems like the sensible thing to do in order to protect others in the offchance that I'm an asymptomatic carrier.

[Inverted2]

You guys a) need to get out more and b) stop watching CBC and CTV mind control media.

[geodoc]

You guys a) need to get out more and b) stop watching CBC and CTV mind control media.

Mind control media? Like where they stick in a slice of fast played audio that says "Paul's been killed in a bloody car crash?"




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[Human Factor]

The science very much does say that. Maybe you missed the Grade 6 health class where you would have been taught about herd immunity. Even setting that aside, not everybody is eligible for the vaccine yet. There are three children in my household who can't get vaccinated yet because the clinical trials for their demographic are not complete yet. If you think one of my kids dying or becoming permanently disabled doesn't affect me, give your head a shake.

The clinical trials for every demographic have not been completed yet.

[altiplano]

People still die in car accidents sometimes, so we shouldn't bother wearing seatbelts.

Except seatbelts are highly effective.

As are non-medical masks, or N95 masks. Can you please explain to me why you feel that they are ineffective? I get that we still have folks dying and catching covid, but it seems that the no-mask alternative would simply result in an easier spread of the illness. I'm not saying masks are perfect, just that if you have Covid and aren't aware, wearing one would logically be more effective at preventing transmission to others than not wearing one. I don't enjoy wearing a mask. Its annoying. I'm in my mid 20s and would probably be just fine if I caught covid. It just seems like the sensible thing to do in order to protect others in the offchance that I'm an asymptomatic carrier.

It's not about how I feel... it just is what it is!