Regionals hiring this Spring rumours

[pitottubey]

Hey all! I've been hearing whispers from multiple sources that the major regionals (porter, encore, jazz) are planning on hiring as early as this coming spring. (Not to mention that it seems everyone has been recalled). Anyone wanna weigh on this?

[link821]

Only time will tell. Here's to hoping your right tho!

Best of luck to ya.

[Cessna 180]

I'd be pretty surprised if Porter doesn't hire for the Dash 8, with an expansion of their fleet of nearly 100% next year (with options to expand nearly 300%).

[C-GGGQ]

6 months tops would be my guess for Porter and likely jazz too

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

If we assume that this vaccine mandate falls through, I don't see Encore hiring before winter of 2022. There are still 100+ employees on furlough.

[Kosiw]

Regarding recalls, it will be interesting to see what percentage of those laid off from the various airlines in 2020 will actually return...perhaps the Jazz bid coming out later this month will give an idea if they will have to hire by this fall or next spring....

[47north]

I was told by a senior Jazz manager that we will be hiring by the spring of 2022 if all goes well.

[pitottubey]

I was told by a senior Jazz manager that we will be hiring by the spring of 2022 if all goes well.

thats fantastic news!

[mmm..bacon]

Regarding recalls, it will be interesting to see what percentage of those laid off from the various airlines in 2020 will actually return...perhaps the Jazz bid coming out later this month will give an idea if they will have to hire by this fall or next spring....

I'm thinking that ~ 10% of us will have folded the tent and gone onto more lucrative/family-friendly/less volatile employment...

[2nine9two]

There were originally 675 pilots that were laid off at Jazz. So 10% would be roughly 67 pilots. I'd be surprised if that many of them hung up the hat because of a lay off that was less than 2 years. However that is entirely a guess

[rudder]

There were originally 675 pilots that were laid off at Jazz. So 10% would be roughly 67 pilots. I'd be surprised if that many of them hung up the hat because of a lay off that was less than 2 years. However that is entirely a guess

Some (but not a significant number) found better jobs and perhaps are not interested in returning to the $40k/yr job that Jazz is offering.

All numbers (including total returning pilots) will be known in a week or so. Hiring for 2022 will most likely be driven by these returning numbers and attrition. Likely no hiring at AC in 2022 so the main attrition destination will not impact Jazz staffing projections. If Porter gets off the ground with the E2 jet there may be some movement of E-jet qualified pilots from Jazz.

[Inverted2]

Plus over 100 left this year through the SSP buyout, and hitting age 65. Should go back down to about ~30-40/yr with the regular ERP and 65.

[pitottubey]

Plus over 100 left this year through the SSP buyout, and hitting age 65. Should go back down to about ~30-40/yr with the regular ERP and 65.

What is the SSP buyout? And what does ERP stand for? Thanks!

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Plus over 100 left this year through the SSP buyout, and hitting age 65. Should go back down to about ~30-40/yr with the regular ERP and 65.

What is the SSP buyout? And what does ERP stand for? Thanks!

SSP: Supersonic Plane
ERP: Embraer Regional Prop


I'll show myself out now.

[RB211]

Any ideas related to Pacific Coastal’s future recall and or hiring plans?

[C-GGGQ]

Plus over 100 left this year through the SSP buyout, and hitting age 65. Should go back down to about ~30-40/yr with the regular ERP and 65.

What is the SSP buyout? And what does ERP stand for? Thanks!

Early retirement packages that are regularly offered (erp) or offered due to covid instead of layoffs (ssp)

[scdriver]

Any ideas related to Pacific Coastal’s future recall and or hiring plans?

I believe pasco has recalled everybody, who knows about hiring anytime soon.

[QKZXKV]

God willing... so far world events are not trending too well for that!

[Ash Ketchum]

I don't think many will give up on flying. I myself am making low six figures in another career at the moment and am excited to go back to being a Jazz FO/captain. This aviation thing really is an addiction.

[QKZXKV]

I don't think many will give up on flying. I myself am making low six figures in another career at the moment and am excited to go back to being a Jazz FO/captain. This aviation thing really is an addiction.

I know that feeling! I just hope the "good times" that we've been seeing aren't temporary. I feel like they are based on this 4th wave nonsense.

[pitottubey]

I don't think many will give up on flying. I myself am making low six figures in another career at the moment and am excited to go back to being a Jazz FO/captain. This aviation thing really is an addiction.

It always surprises me when I hear when pilots somehow go straight from getting laid off from the airlines to making a above average salary in a completely different field...

Even in other professional careers you have to work your way up you don't start from making more then what airline pilots make. I've never understood this. Hypothetically if I was in the regional airlines I have no clue what job I would be able to get that could pay over 50k right off the bat from being furloughed. My only explanation is that plenty of airline pilots had previous careers they could fall back to?? Im only 25 YO and don't.

[Ash Ketchum]

I don't think many will give up on flying. I myself am making low six figures in another career at the moment and am excited to go back to being a Jazz FO/captain. This aviation thing really is an addiction.

It always surprises me when I hear when pilots somehow go straight from getting laid off from the airlines to making a above average salary in a completely different field...

Even in other professional careers you have to work your way up you don't start from making more then what airline pilots make. I've never understood this. Hypothetically if I was in the regional airlines I have no clue what job I would be able to get that could pay over 50k right off the bat from being furloughed. My only explanation is that plenty of airline pilots had previous careers they could fall back to?? Im only 25 YO and don't.

Yes, you basically need another fallback career/skill or to start a successful business (this takes longer to make good money though). I am employed as a senior software engineer. I have 4 years of experience in the field prior to becoming a pilot. I also got lucky because the software field is facing a huge shortage at the moment so there is pressure for higher salaries.

[pitottubey]

I don't think many will give up on flying. I myself am making low six figures in another career at the moment and am excited to go back to being a Jazz FO/captain. This aviation thing really is an addiction.

It always surprises me when I hear when pilots somehow go straight from getting laid off from the airlines to making a above average salary in a completely different field...

Even in other professional careers you have to work your way up you don't start from making more then what airline pilots make. I've never understood this. Hypothetically if I was in the regional airlines I have no clue what job I would be able to get that could pay over 50k right off the bat from being furloughed. My only explanation is that plenty of airline pilots had previous careers they could fall back to?? Im only 25 YO and don't.

Yes, you basically need another fallback career/skill or to start a successful business (this takes longer to make good money though). I am employed as a senior software engineer. I have 4 years of experience in the field prior to becoming a pilot. I also got lucky because the software field is facing a huge shortage at the moment so there is pressure for higher salaries.

Makes sense, so that mostly confirms my assumption that in these cases the furloughed pilots had a career before flying. I also would assume then that for any young pilots like myself where aviation is their first career, they wont make more doing something unrelated when they are laid off.

[scdriver]

It always surprises me when I hear when pilots somehow go straight from getting laid off from the airlines to making a above average salary in a completely different field...

Even in other professional careers you have to work your way up you don't start from making more then what airline pilots make. I've never understood this. Hypothetically if I was in the regional airlines I have no clue what job I would be able to get that could pay over 50k right off the bat from being furloughed. My only explanation is that plenty of airline pilots had previous careers they could fall back to?? Im only 25 YO and don't.

Yes, you basically need another fallback career/skill or to start a successful business (this takes longer to make good money though). I am employed as a senior software engineer. I have 4 years of experience in the field prior to becoming a pilot. I also got lucky because the software field is facing a huge shortage at the moment so there is pressure for higher salaries.

Makes sense, so that mostly confirms my assumption that in these cases the furloughed pilots had a career before flying. I also would assume then that for any young pilots like myself where aviation is their first career, they wont make more doing something unrelated when they are laid off.

For sure, which is why I think it’s very wise to get yourself some other qualifications if it’s at all possible. A relevant degree, some trade experience that can go toward a red seal, anything that will put you in an ok spot if you’re facing a layoff for a couple of years

[330heavy]

Good for those who've had that comfortable fallback job. I know many who don't and are suffering. This pandemic and it's far reaching consequences couldn't have been foreseen. Even 9/11, didn't have such an impact as this. However, this does underline the fact, for many, and those entering the profession, to have something to fall back on just incase. The mass layoffs will happen again, and again. Either have a lot of seniority in your musical chair, or be prepared.