Take the vaccine, or lose your job - WTF?

[altiplano]

So what are all you anti vaxxers going to do now that the vaccine is mandatory? Serious question, and don't dodge the question by spewing some anti covid rhetoric

And for the record, I'm against mandatory vaccination

There are a number of guys that aren't going to do it.

This is ruining families all for Liberal politics.

[TFTMB heavy]

Should pilots that do not want the vaccine be accommodated schedule wise if they need it to fly to other countries? How about if it becomes a requirement for domestic flights?

[twa22]

So what are all you anti vaxxers going to do now that the vaccine is mandatory? Serious question, and don't dodge the question by spewing some anti covid rhetoric

And for the record, I'm against mandatory vaccination

There are a number of guys that aren't going to do it.

This is ruining families all for Liberal politics.

Still not answering my question

What are you going to do then? Lose your job?

[Inverted2]

Not just aviation. I know some people in the healthcare field that are saying no, and will quit and take early retirement, or go work in the private sector.

Not like they’re already short on nurses or anything.

[altiplano]

Should pilots that do not want the vaccine be accommodated schedule wise if they need it to fly to other countries? How about if it becomes a requirement for domestic flights?

Except it isn't s requirement to fly domestic or to other countries. You are speaking in "what ifs."

It's a political statement made before an election and leveraged on the airline.

It's looking less likely that Trudeau is going to get a majority or even get re-elected at all, but even if he is, I still doubt that this will be implemented.

[twa22]

Should pilots that do not want the vaccine be accommodated schedule wise if they need it to fly to other countries? How about if it becomes a requirement for domestic flights?

Except it isn't s requirement to fly domestic or to other countries. You are speaking in "what ifs."

It's a political statement made before an election and leveraged on the airline.

It's looking less likely that Trudeau is going to get a majority or even get re-elected at all, but even if he is, I still doubt that this will be implemented.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8146188/air- ... e-experts/

Ok so are you banking on vaccinations not becoming mandatory? I don't get it... the airline you work for, Air Canada, has clearly said vaccines will be mandatory by Oct 30

Stop beating around the bush and answer my question.

What are you going to do once Oct 30th comes since you clearly don't want the vaccine.

[altiplano]

Should pilots that do not want the vaccine be accommodated schedule wise if they need it to fly to other countries? How about if it becomes a requirement for domestic flights?

Except it isn't s requirement to fly domestic or to other countries. You are speaking in "what ifs."

It's a political statement made before an election and leveraged on the airline.

It's looking less likely that Trudeau is going to get a majority or even get re-elected at all, but even if he is, I still doubt that this will be implemented.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8146188/air- ... e-experts/

Ok so are you banking on vaccinations not becoming mandatory? I don't get it... the airline you work for, Air Canada, has clearly said vaccines will be mandatory by Oct 30

Stop beating around the bush and answer my question.

What are you going to do once Oct 30th comes since you clearly don't want the vaccine.

They explicitly stated that they are making it a requirement in response to the Liberal announcement made prior to the election.

If that doesn't happen then will they still hold it as a requirement?

Sure they said the outcome of the election won't matter. But it will.

If the Conservatives get a minority and follow through on their platform to make a federal policy that includes testing as an accommodation how can AC ignore it?

Given the well documented vaccinated spread, in fact testing is a more conservative requirement then vaccination.

[TFTMB heavy]

Should pilots that do not want the vaccine be accommodated schedule wise if they need it to fly to other countries? How about if it becomes a requirement for domestic flights?

Except it isn't s requirement to fly domestic or to other countries. You are speaking in "what ifs."

It's a political statement made before an election and leveraged on the airline.

It's looking less likely that Trudeau is going to get a majority or even get re-elected at all, but even if he is, I still doubt that this will be implemented.

I am speaking in "what ifs", so what do you think should be done if it becomes the case?

[twa22]

Except it isn't s requirement to fly domestic or to other countries. You are speaking in "what ifs."

It's a political statement made before an election and leveraged on the airline.

It's looking less likely that Trudeau is going to get a majority or even get re-elected at all, but even if he is, I still doubt that this will be implemented.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8146188/air- ... e-experts/

Ok so are you banking on vaccinations not becoming mandatory? I don't get it... the airline you work for, Air Canada, has clearly said vaccines will be mandatory by Oct 30

Stop beating around the bush and answer my question.

What are you going to do once Oct 30th comes since you clearly don't want the vaccine.

They explicitly stated that they are making it a requirement in response to the Liberal announcement made prior to the election.

If that doesn't happen then will they still hold it as a requirement?

Sure they said the outcome of the election won't matter. But it will.

If the Conservatives get a minority and follow through on their platform to make a federal policy that includes testing as an accommodation how can AC ignore it?

Given the well documented vaccinated spread, in fact testing is a more conservative requirement then vaccination.

hahahaha, do you REALLY think the conservatives won't make it mandatory if they win? and if they don't, do you REALLY think AC will pull back on the mandatory vaccine stance and make an exemption such as testing?

Ontario's premier said that there is no way there will be a vaccine passport, well guess what, there will be... The second I read a few months ago there won't be I thought "HAHA, YEA RIGHT... give it a few months" and I was right

Come on altiplano, you're dreaming if you think there won't be mandatory vaccines, so don't be silly.

[altiplano]

We will see.

At some point this public will want this pandemic to end.

Or maybe a war will start and we'll all move on.

There is no Conservative government that puts mandatory vaccines on a broad swath of the public without a reasonable accommodation.

The policy was clearly stated by O'Toole before Trudeau launched his basically the same but without any accommodation as a one up. Even main stream media picked up on that

If elected, I doubt Trudeau has the balls to go all the way. He's only using and weaponizing the issue because he thought with 80% of voters vaccinated he'd make them feel special and they'd vote for him.

[twa22]

We will see.

At some point this public will want this pandemic to end.

Or maybe a war will start and we'll all move on.

There is no Conservative government that puts mandatory vaccines on a broad swath of the public without a reasonable accommodation.

The policy was clearly stated by O'Toole before Trudeau launched his basically the same but without any accommodation as a one up. Even main stream media picked up on that

If elected, I doubt Trudeau has the balls to go all the way. He's only using and weaponizing the issue because he thought with 80% of voters vaccinated he'd make them feel special and they'd vote for him.

Alright well you better hope you're right but I doubt it, so be prepared to lose your job. No hard feelings, just the truth

[ikarus]

So what are all you anti vaxxers going to do now that the vaccine is mandatory? Serious question, and don't dodge the question by spewing some anti covid rhetoric

And for the record, I'm against mandatory vaccination

There are a number of guys that aren't going to do it.

This is ruining families all for Liberal politics.

Still not answering my question

What are you going to do then? Lose your job?

To answer your question, yes I intened fly until I get fired, I will not quit until then. I have a family to feed and yes it will be a rough ride, but I don't see another option beside the coercion imposed on us, so I guess that's.

[altiplano]

Alright well you better hope you're right but I doubt it, so be prepared to lose your job. No hard feelings, just the truth

And do you support that?

You said that you're against mandatory vaccines.

Are you?

Have you wrote anyone in government?
Your Union?
Management?

If you are indeed against mandatory vaccination without accommodation, such as testing for people objecting on conscience, if you are against people losing their careers for taking a stand against a unilateral company policy that is really about obedience, control, and marketing rather than its stated goal of safety first, then I urge you to stand for your principles also and stand with integrity with your colleagues.

Write the powers that be.

This is immoral and unethical.

If we don't stop now, what's next?

You may not like it, and who will be left to stand with you?

[porcsord]

Again,

Nobody is forcing anybody to get the vaccine, it's still your right to choose.

You have the right to seek employment, you do not however have the right to be a pilot. If it becomes a requirement to be vaccinated, then you'll have a choice to get vaccinated or find another career. I can't arbitrarily say that I am against ECGs and not get them and expect to still hold a class 1 medical, same goes if they deem the vaccine a requirement.

PS

[ikarus]

Your ECG argument is non sense. ECG tests your heart to see if it's healthy.

I'm am a healthy individual according to my CAME... Why does being vaccinated makes me more or less healthier?? Because it may cause way more problems to my health then beforehand. Or it could work like it is suppose to. But it is a risk we have to all take. My uncle took Astra, was a very healthy individual, now he has heart issues and is on meds. If he was a pilot, his medical would be revoked.

[digits_]

Again,

Nobody is forcing anybody to get the vaccine, it's still your right to choose.

You have the right to seek employment, you do not however have the right to be a pilot.

Apparently you don't have the right to work in any federally regulated industry. That's a *lot* of jobs you can't do anymore. Sometimes a choice isn't really a choice. The federal government is now basically saying "you can work anywhere you want if you are not vaccinated, except for us, we don't give you a choice". If your own government doesn't give you a choice, then how do you expect private companies to keep giving you a choice? It's one thing they want to vaccinate pilots and health personnel, but why are banking employees required to be vaccinated for example? A lot of them don't have frequent interactions with the public.

[flyer 1492]

There will be law suits filed as it goes against our charter of rights and freedoms.

[‘Bob’]

There will be law suits filed as it goes against our charter of rights and freedoms.

Lol, no it doesn’t.

[Loon-A-Tic]

Canadian's have the "right" to work in a field of their choosing. Canadian companies have the "right" to set the Terms & Conditions of the workplace. All Canadian's and Canadian companies must operate in compliance with the various federal/provincial guidelines that govern their respective workplace.

As many have said already everyone has the right to chose; no law has removed that, but that choice may have associated implications.

[dialdriver]

There will be law suits filed as it goes against our charter of rights and freedoms.

Have you even read the charter?

1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

[flyer 1492]

The Bill of Rights is active if you look at Section 26 of the Charter, it says any rights preexisted the charter are still in effect. Plus the preamble in the 1988 federal emergency act after the charter was passed says the government must respect the rights in the Canadian Bill of Rights and they cannot change them even in the case of a national emergency.

[twa22]

Alright well you better hope you're right but I doubt it, so be prepared to lose your job. No hard feelings, just the truth

And do you support that?

You said that you're against mandatory vaccines.

Are you?

Have you wrote anyone in government?
Your Union?
Management?

If you are indeed against mandatory vaccination without accommodation, such as testing for people objecting on conscience, if you are against people losing their careers for taking a stand against a unilateral company policy that is really about obedience, control, and marketing rather than its stated goal of safety first, then I urge you to stand for your principles also and stand with integrity with your colleagues.

Write the powers that be.

This is immoral and unethical.

If we don't stop now, what's next?

You may not like it, and who will be left to stand with you?

I actually agree with you, and I will stand by you, but as of this writing, all I have seen is talk. I have not seen anything regarding signing a petition, I have not seen anyone organizing a protest, I have not seen an action, or movement, from anyone here against mandatory vaccination.

A single person writing a letter to an MP, or ministry of health, or whoever needs to be written to, at a random time of day, won't do shit. That's the truth.

You want change? Gather together as a big group, organize a protest. Or write a mass email, to the tune of thousands of emails sent at once, to the powers at be. Anything that involves one loud voice, not a bit of chirping here and there

[Cappo1]

And now the Globalist NWO has this new fangled " Colombia" strain that's allegedly resistant to the vaccine anyway. Each time we get ahead with this virus some new " strain" comes and knocks us back. We have done our due diligence and the darn thing still replicates faster than herpes. That's because its man-made in frigging lab. Germ warfare. I already had Cv19 and got it on a Delhi-YVR after my first dose ! And that was enough for me, why isn't my natural immunity good enough ? This government and airline should be spending . money studying natural immunity . My IgG test proves I have 13x times the antibodies of any fully vaccinated person. We don't wear masks in the cockpit anyway so you are safer next to me than a disgusting lav on a 777 and I'm not getting the 2nd dose and I'm putting myself out as poster boy for Maxime Bernier who is willing to fight for our rights and demand natural immunity be recognized

[altiplano]

Alright well you better hope you're right but I doubt it, so be prepared to lose your job. No hard feelings, just the truth

And do you support that?

You said that you're against mandatory vaccines.

Are you?

Have you wrote anyone in government?
Your Union?
Management?

If you are indeed against mandatory vaccination without accommodation, such as testing for people objecting on conscience, if you are against people losing their careers for taking a stand against a unilateral company policy that is really about obedience, control, and marketing rather than its stated goal of safety first, then I urge you to stand for your principles also and stand with integrity with your colleagues.

Write the powers that be.

This is immoral and unethical.

If we don't stop now, what's next?

You may not like it, and who will be left to stand with you?

I actually agree with you, and I will stand by you, but as of this writing, all I have seen is talk. I have not seen anything regarding signing a petition, I have not seen anyone organizing a protest, I have not seen an action, or movement, from anyone here against mandatory vaccination.

A single person writing a letter to an MP, or ministry of health, or whoever needs to be written to, at a random time of day, won't do shit. That's the truth.

You want change? Gather together as a big group, organize a protest. Or write a mass email, to the tune of thousands of emails sent at once, to the powers at be. Anything that involves one loud voice, not a bit of chirping here and there

Things are happening.

There are groups.

We need support from our colleagues, vaxxed or unvaxxed.

Write management.
Write Dr. C.

Don't report your status on Sept. 8. It's not limiting, it's only a data collection exercise.

[dialdriver]

And do you support that?

You said that you're against mandatory vaccines.

Are you?

Have you wrote anyone in government?
Your Union?
Management?

If you are indeed against mandatory vaccination without accommodation, such as testing for people objecting on conscience, if you are against people losing their careers for taking a stand against a unilateral company policy that is really about obedience, control, and marketing rather than its stated goal of safety first, then I urge you to stand for your principles also and stand with integrity with your colleagues.

Write the powers that be.

This is immoral and unethical.

If we don't stop now, what's next?

You may not like it, and who will be left to stand with you?

I actually agree with you, and I will stand by you, but as of this writing, all I have seen is talk. I have not seen anything regarding signing a petition, I have not seen anyone organizing a protest, I have not seen an action, or movement, from anyone here against mandatory vaccination.

A single person writing a letter to an MP, or ministry of health, or whoever needs to be written to, at a random time of day, won't do shit. That's the truth.

You want change? Gather together as a big group, organize a protest. Or write a mass email, to the tune of thousands of emails sent at once, to the powers at be. Anything that involves one loud voice, not a bit of chirping here and there

Things are happening.

There are groups.

We need support from our colleagues, vaxxed or unvaxxed.

Write management.
Write Dr. C.

Don't report your status on Sept. 8. It's not limiting, it's only a data collection exercise.

Your problem is, the vast majority of Canadians support the government actions.