Take the vaccine, or lose your job - WTF?

[altiplano]

I actually agree with you, and I will stand by you, but as of this writing, all I have seen is talk. I have not seen anything regarding signing a petition, I have not seen anyone organizing a protest, I have not seen an action, or movement, from anyone here against mandatory vaccination.

A single person writing a letter to an MP, or ministry of health, or whoever needs to be written to, at a random time of day, won't do shit. That's the truth.

You want change? Gather together as a big group, organize a protest. Or write a mass email, to the tune of thousands of emails sent at once, to the powers at be. Anything that involves one loud voice, not a bit of chirping here and there

Things are happening.

There are groups.

We need support from our colleagues, vaxxed or unvaxxed.

Write management.
Write Dr. C.

Don't report your status on Sept. 8. It's not limiting, it's only a data collection exercise.

Your problem is, the vast majority of Canadians support the government actions.

I think you will be surprised. The resistance will be a significant number.

And even if it is a majority, it does not make it right.

They come for your boosters next.
Then they'll come for your kids.
Then the next in the greater good project will launch and they'll be looking to get another behaviour out of you.
Face recognition to track it.
A social score to recognize how good a supporter of the new rules you are.

Better stand up now or you will give up more than you expect.

[CanadianPilotQc]

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[Inverted2]

I was going to post the above article about the cases in the vaccinated in Israel. Yep the vaccine that doesn’t really work, no, wait if we keep pumping you full of booster shots it might work.

And conspiracy theories are just another name for spoiler alerts.

If I told you all 2 years ago the crazy shit they are doing now you have called me a conspiracy theorist for sure.

[altiplano]

I was going to post the above article about the cases in the vaccinated in Israel. Yep the vaccine that doesn’t really work, no, wait if we keep pumping you full of booster shots it might work.

And conspiracy theories are just another name for spoiler alerts.

If I told you all 2 years ago the crazy shit they are doing now you have called me a conspiracy theorist for sure.

Right!

New England Journal of Medicine - the Church of Covid members will probably tell us that's a fake news rag - reporting high resurgence of symptomatic covid in a highly vaccinated workforce at UCSDH.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2112981

83% of workforce vaccinated representing 75.2% of symptomatic cases. Those numbers are pretty close, clearly you can get covid vaccinated or not, it's moving through populations irrespective of vaccination status. And that's just symptomatic, we know that asymptomatic covid is widespread.

Vaccine passports and mandatory vaccine do not stop transmission.

If all the unvaxxed were locked away this would be a 100% pandemic of the vaccinated.

You want to flatten the curve? It's back to basics - Wash your hands, don't touch your face, stay home when you're sick, institute rapid testing in high risk areas with vulnerable people.

[ikarus]

Things are happening.

There are groups.

We need support from our colleagues, vaxxed or unvaxxed.

Write management.
Write Dr. C.

Don't report your status on Sept. 8. It's not limiting, it's only a data collection exercise.

Your problem is, the vast majority of Canadians support the government actions.

I think you will be surprised. The resistance will be a significant number.

And even if it is a majority, it does not make it right.

They come for your boosters next.
Then they'll come for your kids.
Then the next in the greater good project will launch and they'll be looking to get another behaviour out of you.
Face recognition to track it.
A social score to recognize how good a supporter of the new rules you are.

Better stand up now or you will give up more than you expect.

Altiplano, you keep up your spoiler alerts, and the big brother will take your credti score away and close your credti cards and Avcanada account

What people don't understand is that every time we get a shot or a booster, the virus/germ mutates to a worse strain. Read a document its online somewhere by University Hospital of Boston, where back in 1918 they realized by inoculating US army the influenza got worse and worse, but they though they were doing the right thing. Unfortunately they they created a super flu that became know as Spanish Flu killing them millions.

All I am saying, we need to stop and listen to the other side of medical community that is NOT paid by pharmaceutical industry. Or a politician that is not on their list. You would be surprised how much our government is involved in this thing. There is a University of BC that is deeply involved as well...

[ikarus]

And now the Globalist NWO has this new fangled " Colombia" strain that's allegedly resistant to the vaccine anyway. Each time we get ahead with this virus some new " strain" comes and knocks us back. We have done our due diligence and the darn thing still replicates faster than herpes. That's because its man-made in frigging lab. Germ warfare. I already had Cv19 and got it on a Delhi-YVR after my first dose ! And that was enough for me, why isn't my natural immunity good enough ? This government and airline should be spending . money studying natural immunity . My IgG test proves I have 13x times the antibodies of any fully vaccinated person. We don't wear masks in the cockpit anyway so you are safer next to me than a disgusting lav on a 777 and I'm not getting the 2nd dose and I'm putting myself out as poster boy for Maxime Bernier who is willing to fight for our rights and demand natural immunity be recognized

Thank you for speaking out, on behalf of both sides.

[Posthumane]

New England Journal of Medicine - the Church of Covid members will probably tell us that's a fake news rag - reporting high resurgence of symptomatic covid in a highly vaccinated workforce at UCSDH.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2112981

83% of workforce vaccinated representing 75.2% of symptomatic cases. Those numbers are pretty close, clearly you can get covid vaccinated or not, it's moving through populations irrespective of vaccination status. And that's just symptomatic, we know that asymptomatic covid is widespread.

Vaccine passports and mandatory vaccine do not stop transmission.

If all the unvaxxed were locked away this would be a 100% pandemic of the vaccinated.

You want to flatten the curve? It's back to basics - Wash your hands, don't touch your face, stay home when you're sick, institute rapid testing in high risk areas with vulnerable people.

Over the study period 57.3% of the cases were in vaccinated, out of 83% of the workforce. And not just symptomatic, 83% of their cases showed symptoms. They calculated vaccine effectiveness at 90% in the initial months, waning to 65% in later months. There were no hospitalizations in the vaccinated group, and 1 in 90 in the non-vaccinated group (which was what the whole "flattening the curve" thing was about).

I'm not sure what threshold you're using to determine if something works, but 65% is still not bad compared to a lot of medicines. If you choose 100% as your threshold then no other treatment ever developed passes the bar. A flu shot that is developed for the strain that's going around this year is not going to be very effective for the strain that will be here next year.

But you're right, mandatory vaccinations do not stop spread. They just make it a pain in the arse for those who are not vaccinated in order to encourage them to get it. And while I'm not for mandatory measures that only really protect people from themselves such as vaccines and helmets (I like natural selection), I would hate to see the situation that florida is dealing with manifest itself up here. Sometimes it's nice having some medical resources available for others.

What people don't understand is that every time we get a shot or a booster, the virus/germ mutates to a worse strain. Read a document its online somewhere by University Hospital of Boston, where back in 1918 they realized by inoculating US army the influenza got worse and worse, but they though they were doing the right thing. Unfortunately they they created a super flu that became know as Spanish Flu killing them millions.

Pretty impressive that after they developed an influenza vaccine in the 30s that they were able to go back in time and inoculate people in 1918. Care to link to this document? I'd love to read it.

[Captain Kirkk]

Either way, come November 1 you will all be removed from flying without pay. And I will be once again be flying for this great airline as a fully vaccinated individual, in your place.

[TG]

Meanwhile in Denmark:

http://www.news.cn/english/2021-08/27/c_1310153128.htm

All COVID-19 related restrictions will be lifted and the disease will be removed from the category of "socially critical diseases" from Sept. 10, the Danish Ministry of Health said on Friday.

70%+ fully vaccinated there....


It's very simple, stop trying to find excuses and go get your jabs.

[Hangry]

Conversing with the plague rats is literally a waste of time.

[ikarus]

Meanwhile in Denmark:

http://www.news.cn/english/2021-08/27/c_1310153128.htm

All COVID-19 related restrictions will be lifted and the disease will be removed from the category of "socially critical diseases" from Sept. 10, the Danish Ministry of Health said on Friday.

70%+ fully vaccinated there....


It's very simple, stop trying to find excuses and go get your jabs.

Same thing happen in Isreal this summer. Celebrated victory as majorty was vaccinated cases went down dramatically, removed the mask mandate and kids were allowed to go back to school maskless. Except later this summer, numbers started to go up in tens of thousands od cases daily and masks were introduced again and now this 3rd mandatory booster shot or your are excluded from the society again...

[Mrbobmarly111]

So what your saying is if you haven't received any vaccines yet youll be 3 shoots behind in a month or so. Go get vaccinated and stop complaining.

[ikarus]

So what your saying is if you haven't received any vaccines yet youll be 3 shoots behind in a month or so. Go get vaccinated and stop complaining.

You go for it if you want to. I am not here to tell you what you should or should not do it. We are all adults, so stop pushing others, thank you.

This is fresh data from VAERS offical website, that run the reporting of deaths and side effects for offical CDC website. For all vaccines including COVID-19. Take a look for your self.

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield ... AX=COVID19


Keep in mind, officals often state that doctors only report about 10% of the actual cases... Its pretty scare when you multiply these numbers by 10.

[photofly]

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield ... AX=COVID19

Have you read most of those entries? They're hilarious.
"felt warm, hot and face and ears were red and flushed."
"Reported chest heaviness, shortness of breath and within 5 minutes developed rigors and urge to defecate"
"Sprite and peanut butter crackers given. Became nauseated after eating peanut butter crackers."

Keep in mind, officals often state that doctors only report about 10% of the actual cases... Its pretty scare when you multiply these numbers by 10.

It's very scary indeed, if they're giving peanut butter crackers to 10x as many people as they report. Where will this end?

[ikarus]

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield ... AX=COVID19

Have you read most of those entries? They're hilarious.
"felt warm, hot and face and ears were red and flushed."
"Reported chest heaviness, shortness of breath and within 5 minutes developed rigors and urge to defecate"
"Sprite and peanut butter crackers given. Became nauseated after eating peanut butter crackers."

Keep in mind, officals often state that doctors only report about 10% of the actual cases... Its pretty scare when you multiply these numbers by 10.

It's very scary indeed, if they're giving peanut butter crackers to 10x as many people as they report. Where will this end?

I don't have the urge to read 632,000 reports... I read the stats - over 13,000 deaths from covid jabs... More dead in last 8 months then in the last 30 years of VAERS reporting in total!! But its amazing how you can spin this offical data by joking about crackers and peanuts....while you ignore the fact so many people died, 17,000 permanently disabled and over 1,400 dead babies during pregnancy alone... It's all funny until it hits close to home.

[altiplano]

So what your saying is if you haven't received any vaccines yet youll be 3 shoots behind in a month or so. Go get vaccinated and stop complaining.

Based on your statements, I think your username is out of order.

Bob would never say the things you do, Bob wouldn't get the vaccine either....

WWBMD...

[photofly]

I don't have the urge to read 632,000 reports... I read the stats - over 13,000 deaths from covid jabs... More dead in last 8 months then in the last 30 years of VAERS reporting in total!! But its amazing how you can spin this offical data by joking about crackers and peanuts....while you ignore the fact so many people died, 17,000 permanently disabled and over 1,400 dead babies during pregnancy alone... It's all funny until it hits close to home.

And there are 4.5 million deaths from COVID. This is serious stuff.

[ikarus]

Europe's CDC Breaks With Biden Admin, Says No Urgent Need For COVID Boosters

THURSDAY, SEP 02, 2021 - 11:01 AM
The Biden admin's rushed decision to enforce covid booster shots on the population, is getting pushback not only from the FDA, where two top vaccine regulators resigned from the Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday, revealing anger, frustration, and turmoil at the federal agency as it balks at the White House's steamrolling of accepted rules and regulations, but also from Europe.

Overnight, Europe's CDC - the Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) - said there was no urgent need for booster doses of COVID-19 vaccines for the fully vaccinated, citing data on the effectiveness of shots.

[photofly]

Overnight, Europe's CDC - the Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) - said there was no urgent need for booster doses of COVID-19 vaccines for the fully vaccinated, citing data on the effectiveness of shots.

So, either they are effective, or they aren't effective - what's your position?

[TheStig]

We can debate the efficacy of the vaccines or the dangers of COVID as much as anyone wishes to, however, pilots who are not fully vaccinated will not be getting paid to fly Air Canada metal in November.

[rudder]

We can debate the efficacy of the vaccines or the dangers of COVID as much as anyone wishes to, however, pilots who are not fully vaccinated will not be getting paid to fly Air Canada metal in November.

Same for Jazz/Express.

[altiplano]

We can debate the efficacy of the vaccines or the dangers of COVID as much as anyone wishes to, however, pilots who are not fully vaccinated will not be getting paid to fly Air Canada metal in November.

Do you believe that this should be our new forever normal?

What's your opinion of non disclosed status pilots being put out? Justified by AC?

Do you think it's the company or the Trudeau announcement that created this situation?

If pilots are accommodated with an LOA, how long do you think is reasonable? Or what yard stick should we use to say this is behind us?

Do you thinj they should be terminated as some suggest?

Do you think it's reasonable that ACPA won't represent these pilots, but will represent people who have had significant and illegal transgressions?

I ask because I usually appreciate your position as informed and reasonable.

Same with you rudder.

It's this really what we want to live under? And until when?

[rudder]

Same with you rudder.

It's this really what we want to live under? And until when?

I am not expressing an opinion. Simply reporting the state of affairs in the AC and Express world as of September 02nd.

[Inverted2]

I think this is absolutely disgusting what they are doing. They say you aren’t forced to take it but they will take away everything in your life including the ability to work and provide for your family. And for what? Something that is 99%+ survivable and vaccines that (they are trying to hide) don’t actually work.

The fall/winter should be exciting though. I have a feeling some new “variants” will be released to shake things up a bit.

[Hangry]

Blah blah blah blah.