Ivermectin-Disinformation of the century

[altiplano]

I'm not sure why anyone would trust anything the Mainstream Media tells you. They've been caught multiple times and have zero credibility imho.




https://journals.lww.com/americantherap ... _of.7.aspx

Good post Eric.

You're absolutely right.

The narrative is being controlled and censorship is rampant.

People don't want to open their eyes and question anything and they shout down anyone challenging their dogma rather than engaging and looking at the other side of the issue

Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

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Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

You missed this bit:

We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021... Meta-analyses were conducted .... Twenty-four randomized controlled trials involving 3406 participants met review inclusion.

Therapeutic Advances:
Meta-analysis of 15 trials...

This paper isn't original research, it's research into research. It doesn't say anything about the validity of the trials whose data they used, and its conclusions are only valid if you trust all the trials on which it is based.

Thank you - but I'll wait.

This recent article in Nature magazine talks about some of the issues:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

Although the jury is still out on ivermectin, many say the retraction speaks to the difficulty of assessing research during a pandemic. “I personally have lost all faith in the results of [ivermectin] trials published to date,” says Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz, an epidemiologist at the University of Wollongong in Australia who helped Lawrence to analyse the Elgazzar paper. It’s not yet possible to assess whether ivermectin works against COVID-19 because the data currently available are not of sufficiently high quality, he says, adding that he is reading other ivermectin papers in his spare time, looking for signs of fraud or other problems.

[2R]

This data shows how Ivermectin knocked their COVID-19 cases and deaths - which we know were Delta Variant - down to almost zero within weeks. A population comparable to the US went from about 35,000 cases and 350 deaths per day to nearly ZERO within weeks of adding Ivermectin to their protocol.

By comparison, the United States is the lower graph. On August 5, here in the good ol’ USA, blessed with the glorious vaccines, we have 127,108 new cases per day and 574 new deaths.

Let us look at the August 5 numbers from Uttar Pradesh with 2/3 of our population. Uttar Pradesh, using Ivermectin, had a total of 26 new cases and exactly THREE deaths. The US without Ivermectin has precisely 4889 times as many daily cases and 191 times as many deaths as Uttar Pradesh with Ivermectin.

It is not even close. Countries do orders of magnitude better WITH Ivermectin. It might be comparable to the difference in travel between using an automobile versus a horse and buggy.

Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin: Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 26

COVID Daily Deaths: 3

The United States off Ivermectin: Population 331 Million [50.5% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 127,108

COVID Daily Deaths: 574

Let us look at other Ivermectin using areas of India with numbers from August 5, 2021, compiled by the JHU CSSE:

Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 61

COVID Daily Deaths: 2

Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 24

COVID Daily Deaths: 0

Now let us look at an area of India that rejected Ivermectin.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 561235.ece

Tamil Nadu announced they would reject Ivermectin and instead follow the dubious USA-style guidance of using Remdesivir. Knowing this, you might expect their numbers to be closer to the US, with more cases and more deaths. You would be correct. Tamil Nadu went on to lead India in COVID-19 cases.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 21f9a.html

Tamil Nadu continues to suffer for its choice to reject Ivermectin. As a result, the Delta variant continues to ravage their citizens while it was virtually wiped out in the Ivermectin-using states. Likewise, in the United States, without Ivermectin, both the vaccinated and unvaccinated continue to spread the Delta variant like wildfire.

[TG]

One has to be pretty naive to believe any kind of health stats coming from India.

Time to quote myself as a bunch of nut jobs obviously or voluntary missed that:

There have been successful ivermectin covid trials.

A few months ago the anti Vax gang, at least in France, were all excited about "Hydroxychloroquine" as the miracle of all miracle pill to cure from Covid before even getting sick (preventive) It felt silently through the cracks as zero proof showed that it actually worked.

Now they all get hyper excited about "Ivermectin" Like Hydroxychloroquine, the efficacy of a drug mainly promoted by rightwing figures worldwide for treating Covid-19. Same story, different meme.
What makes it even more absurd is this willingness to take it with bare bone minimum research of its efficacy, while Vaccins are sitting next door with months of utilisation now.




Anything not to take a vaccine, you bunch make zero sense....

Ivermectin....
Same as last year bizarre polarizing debate on hydroxychloroquine.

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This data shows how Ivermectin knocked their COVID-19 cases and deaths - which we know were Delta Variant - down to almost zero within weeks

It doesn't show anything of the sort, because you conveniently omit all the other anti COVID measures like strict lockdowns that Uttar Pradesh has been using since April.

It also doesn't take long to turn up reports of the unreliability of COVID figures coming from that state, as the previous poster mentions.

Ivermectin may or may not work; like everyone one else I hope it does, but it's appropriate to wait for reliable data, just like we did with the various vaccines.

[2R]

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 19364.html

Do yourself a favour and read the article . As for medical data coming from India . Try using Pink , Yellow , Green in a sentence .
India today has some of the Top Cardiologists and Surgeons in the world . North American Hospitals depend on foreign trained medical personnel .

[Hot Wings]

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 19364.html

Do yourself a favour and read the article . As for medical data coming from India . Try using Pink , Yellow , Green in a sentence .
India today has some of the Top Cardiologists and Surgeons in the world . North American Hospitals depend on foreign trained medical personnel .

Sorry, But I, Probably Won’t , Listen to You.. . ., .

[deadbear]

https://www.onedaymd.com/2021/08/what-c ... n.html?m=1

Japan latest country to green light IVM. Approximately 1/3 of the world is using IVM for Covid. Canada is way behind the curve.

But hey let’s keep treating with Remdesivr

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 71206&_rdr

If you haven’t watch the video above I highly recommend it as it is eye opening.

[flyer 1492]

A friends parents in the USA came down with the Delta. They both are in their late 60's early 70's, with corrmoridities. They found a doctor that would prescribe Ivermectin. After 7 days for the wife and 10 days for the husband, they both were Covid free. A week later they had another PCR test, which came back negative.

[montado]

This data shows how Ivermectin knocked their COVID-19 cases and deaths - which we know were Delta Variant - down to almost zero within weeks

It doesn't show anything of the sort, because you conveniently omit all the other anti COVID measures like strict lockdowns that Uttar Pradesh has been using since April.

It also doesn't take long to turn up reports of the unreliability of COVID figures coming from that state, as the previous poster mentions.

Ivermectin may or may not work; like everyone one else I hope it does, but it's appropriate to wait for reliable data, just like we did with the various vaccines.

What are we waiting for. We have had 18 months. They have approved vaccines that did not exist at the beginning of the pandemic.

I also don't know if it works. But this is why I have said this could be the disinformation of the century. If ivermectin saves lives from death from covid and the big pharma movement is trying to prevent this from being used, this is huge. Once in a while conspiracy is truth. We should always question what's going on.

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https://www.onedaymd.com/2021/08/what-c ... n.html?m=1

Japan latest country to green light IVM.

That's great. I'm not sure how that fits in with the whole "the establishment is hiding this wonder-drug from the world" theme being pushed in this thread (hint: it doesn't.) Let's hope that some reliable double-blind trials show it's effective, and then we can use it here, too.

[Posthumane]

Large numbers of people in Peru, Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, and several other south american countries have been taking ivermectin since last winter. How has it worked out for them?

https://journals.lww.com/americantherap ... _of.7.aspx

Good post Eric.

You're absolutely right.

The narrative is being controlled and censorship is rampant.

People don't want to open their eyes and question anything and they shout down anyone challenging their dogma rather than engaging and looking at the other side of the issue

Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

First you have to account for the fact that one of the trials included in this meta-study is the now-infamous one that was pulled for basically fabricating their data (Elgazzar 2021). It was weighted as 17.7% contribution to the meta study and rated with a high degree of confidence. Taking that out yields rather different results.
Second, 8 of the 10 studies that contributed to the overall risk of all cause mortality in that meta-study had Risk Reduction confidence intervals that exceeded 1 on the high end. In other words, only 2 of 10 studies found a statistically significant reduction in deaths. So there may be some signal there, but it's been exceeding difficult to eek out.

The meta-study being quoted said that while the authors have moderate confidence in a reduction in deaths, they have a low to very-low confidence in any reduction in recovery time, hospital admissions, ICU admissions, or the increase in serious adverse events.

[2R]

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 19364.html

Do yourself a favour and read the article . As for medical data coming from India . Try using Pink , Yellow , Green in a sentence .
India today has some of the Top Cardiologists and Surgeons in the world . North American Hospitals depend on foreign trained medical personnel .

Sorry, But I, Probably Won’t , Listen to You.. . ., .

Your smarter than you look !

[deadbear]

https://c19ivermectin.com/

Probability results from ineffective treatment as of August 11th, 1 in 1 trillion. Yep pretty sure IVM has been proven to work.

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What confidence do you have that it is not the case that a bunch of trials with negative results weren’t reported, or were missed out from the lovely graphic?

[CpnCrunch]

https://c19ivermectin.com/

Probability results from ineffective treatment as of August 11th, 1 in 1 trillion. Yep pretty sure IVM has been proven to work.

Random website vs cochrane. If your analysis is better than cochrane feel free to publish. Otherwise im calling bs on your bs website. Do you understand science? If you did you wouldnt be posting that site.

[deadbear]

What confidence do you have that it is not the case that a bunch of trials with negative results weren’t reported, or were missed out from the lovely graphic?

100% confident with 1 in 1 trillion. I know IVM works and so does 1/3 of the rest of the world. Japan green lighting IVM and Canada sitting on the sidelines not following the science got to love it.

Zinc and zinc ionophores for the win. I also believe in the benefits of EGCG or Quercetin and Zinc. Not as good as IVM but an alternative.

Also not a random website. It lists each and every IVM study. Read them. Find it funny how when the data is presented you are afraid to read and analyze for yourself. This is science. Not calling BS but discussing and learning from the work of others. If the work is BS prove it. Again hard to dispute 1 in 1 trillion.

[montado]

I heard you can’t authorize a vax for emergency use in the USA if you have a treatment for a disease available. If that’s true, that would add some fuel to the fire. Basically make it so there’s no treatment except for trials to make sure you can sell the vaccines first.

Who knows… but I’m certain money is a huge motivation. Wouldn’t be the first time profit came before lives.

[Posthumane]

Deadbear, did you read and analyze the data yourself as you are telling others to do?

I read a few of the studies related to Invermectin. There are only a handful of RCTs that looked at mortality outcomes of treatment of invermectin (often combined with other treatments such as doxycycline) vs standard treatment, and almost all of them have very wide confidence intervals due to small sample sizes. The meta-studies on the subject all look at the same RCTs (Elgazzar, Lopez-Medina, Mahmud, Ravikirti, Galan, Gonzales, Hashim, Okumus, Niaee) with different weightings of the data to come up with slightly different RR values. The largest of those studies (400 people) which also had the highest signal (0.1 RR) was retracted as it was falsified, but the meta-studies continue to include it.

The 1 in a trillion figure is basically saying that it's likely there is SOME effect from the drug, but it doesn't specify what that effect is - could be a 5% reduction in recovery time. Treatments are chosen based on clinical significance in their effects. Now, if someone is about to die, I can't blame a doctor for throwing a cocktail of everything they have available to try to save the person, but even the best trial results haven't shown this treatment coming close to having the efficacy of the vaccines available and none of the people studying them are advocating the drug as a replacement for vaccination, only as a possible addition to the variety of treatments on offer.

[CpnCrunch]

Find it funny how when the data is presented you are afraid to read and analyze for yourself. This is science. Not calling BS but discussing and learning from the work of others. If the work is BS prove it. Again hard to dispute 1 in 1 trillion.

Ok, let me know why you disagree with Cochrane. They say evidence quality is low or very low, and IIRC very low certainty of evidence for efficacy. It's basically shit evidence.

And let's look at the actual studies on that site you gave. It shows López-Medina as 67% improvement, but the actual study found no significant difference between treatment and control groups:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2777389

"Conclusion and Relevance Among adults with mild COVID-19, a 5-day course of ivermectin, compared with placebo, did not significantly improve the time to resolution of symptoms. The findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19, although larger trials may be needed to understand the effects of ivermectin on other clinically relevant outcomes."

So not only do you not understand the science, but you posted a site that misrepresents the actual data, and you seem to be too lazy to even bother checking it yourself (never mind looking at the Cochrane or other high quality reviews).

[deadbear]

Well IVM and HCQ need zinc as they are both zinc ionophores. Like having a great gun to kill the virus and no bullet.

Here is an interesting study on the modes of action of IVM. Lists 20 modes of action.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/

Don't you find it funny that IVM is being blocked and in the U.S. they are pushing Remdesivir. Which is known to kill. After watching the video below what would you want to get if you get hospitalized with Covid an IVM protocol or Remdesivir. Early treatment with the right protocols is the key not vaccinations.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 71206&_rdr
https://greatmountainpublishing.com/202 ... -maladies/

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It isn’t being blocked. It merely is not approved.

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I heard you can’t authorize a vax for emergency use in the USA if you have a treatment for a disease available. If that’s true, that would add some fuel to the fire. Basically make it so there’s no treatment except for trials to make sure you can sell the vaccines first.

In your world, do people really behave like this? I mean, is that just off-the-cuff cynicism to look big, or do you deep down think this is truly how people behave?

In my world, this doesn't happen. I think my world is a much nicer place to live than yours.

[geodoc]

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"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?"

— General Jack D. Ripper

General Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Group Capt. Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.

General Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.


Everything old is new again!

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[‘Bob’]

Group Captain Mandrake was a prevert.