Take the vaccine, or lose your job - WTF?

[goldeneagle]

When should we end mandates or restrictions? Again specifically. When should we regain freedoms and an equal society? When should we regain a right to privacy?

The restrictions will be backed off when hospital admissions for covid no longer surpass the hospital capacity to deal with those admissions. This was the stated goal at the onset, and is still the stated goal. Some folks tho are just to thick to understand that.

[dialdriver]

When should we end mandates or restrictions? Again specifically. When should we regain freedoms and an equal society? When should we regain a right to privacy?

The restrictions will be backed off when hospital admissions for covid no longer surpass the hospital capacity to deal with those admissions. This was the stated goal at the onset, and is still the stated goal. Some folks tho are just to thick to understand that.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-new ... re-demands

[altiplano]

When should we end mandates or restrictions? Again specifically. When should we regain freedoms and an equal society? When should we regain a right to privacy?

The restrictions will be backed off when hospital admissions for covid no longer surpass the hospital capacity to deal with those admissions. This was the stated goal at the onset, and is still the stated goal. Some folks tho are just to thick to understand that.

Will they be backed off? Where does it say that? And what's the actual number? These are just abstract assumptions of what they will do.

Why don't they give hard numbers for repealing and include them into their laws and orders?

Fact is that we are assuming that's what will happen. You are trusting politicians and technocrats that are trying to reshape our society beyond their mandate and have more power then they have ever had. You are trusting politicians that will do anything to get more power - current federal election 2 years early is a good example.

Do you recall Trudeau's first attempted power grab with the House adjourned? Carte blanche spending without oversight. How about the censorship legislation?

And where has Tam been these last 6 weeks? MIA. Or Howard Njoo, her deputy? Remember him recanting his own statement at a press conference right after he made it when asked about it being contrary to a comment Trudeau made - "did he says that? my boss is always right, so I must be in error."

That's how independent your technocrat leaders are. The policy they push is as much political as anything.

Up until recently I think most anyone would tell you that you're a fool to trust a politician (or bureaucrat) - so what's changed?

[dialdriver]

When should we end mandates or restrictions? Again specifically. When should we regain freedoms and an equal society? When should we regain a right to privacy?

The restrictions will be backed off when hospital admissions for covid no longer surpass the hospital capacity to deal with those admissions. This was the stated goal at the onset, and is still the stated goal. Some folks tho are just to thick to understand that.

Will they be backed off? Where does it say that? And what's the actual number? These are just abstract assumptions of what they will do.

Why don't they give hard numbers for repealing and include them into their laws and orders?

Fact is that we are assuming that's what will happen. You are trusting politicians and technocrats that are trying to reshape our society beyond their mandate and have more power then they have ever had. You are trusting politicians that will do anything to get more power - current federal election 2 years early is a good example.

Do you recall Trudeau's first attempted power grab with the House adjourned? Carte blanche spending without oversight. How about the censorship legislation?

And where has Tam been these last 6 weeks? MIA. Or Howard Njoo, her deputy? Remember him recanting his own statement at a press conference right after he made it when asked about it being contrary to a comment Trudeau made - "did he says that? my boss is always right, so I must be in error."

That's how independent your technocrat leaders are. The policy they push is as much political as anything.

Up until recently I think most anyone would tell you that you're a fool to trust a politician (or bureaucrat) - so what's changed?

"We're in crisis, Surgeries are being cancelled ... ICUs are more than 50 per cent above normal capacity," he said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/coronavir ... -1.6181580

['97 Tercel]

Kinda like in a bad flu year every few years

[imjustlurking]

When should we end mandates or restrictions? Again specifically. When should we regain freedoms and an equal society? When should we regain a right to privacy?

The restrictions will be backed off when hospital admissions for covid no longer surpass the hospital capacity to deal with those admissions. This was the stated goal at the onset, and is still the stated goal. Some folks tho are just to thick to understand that.

Will they be backed off? Where does it say that? And what's the actual number? These are just abstract assumptions of what they will do.

Why don't they give hard numbers for repealing and include them into their laws and orders?

Fact is that we are assuming that's what will happen. You are trusting politicians and technocrats that are trying to reshape our society beyond their mandate and have more power then they have ever had. You are trusting politicians that will do anything to get more power - current federal election 2 years early is a good example.

Do you recall Trudeau's first attempted power grab with the House adjourned? Carte blanche spending without oversight. How about the censorship legislation?

And where has Tam been these last 6 weeks? MIA. Or Howard Njoo, her deputy? Remember him recanting his own statement at a press conference right after he made it when asked about it being contrary to a comment Trudeau made - "did he says that? my boss is always right, so I must be in error."

That's how independent your technocrat leaders are. The policy they push is as much political as anything.

Up until recently I think most anyone would tell you that you're a fool to trust a politician (or bureaucrat) - so what's changed?

Altiplano, you sound as asinine as the people who go on Fox saying that they are being censored.

[goldeneagle]

Will they be backed off? Where does it say that? And what's the actual number? These are just abstract assumptions of what they will do.

They are not abstract assumptions, they are hard facts, and since you dont seem to understand, I'll try explain in simpler terms.

At present, the intake of patients with covid problems exceeds the number of patients being released. This is causing crowding problems, and staffing problems at those locations. The number of patients requiring ICU care has taken a huge leap, leaving a shortage of space for the normal ebb and flow of patients thru those units. The restrictions will be backed off when hospital admissions are no longer happening at a rate higher than the hospitals are capable of handling, and the backlog of patients already admitted has been reduced to normal levels, and the ICU units have regained the capacity needed for normal operations.

I have a pretty good handle on the situation at our local hospital, my wife is the site director at that installation, and has been for a decade. In her first 8 years on that job, we could count on one hand the number of times surgeries were cancelled due to an overflow in the ICU. Since the ICU started filling up with covid patients, elective surgeries have been cancelled as often as they have been happening, and most of the time for the same reason, no capacity to deal with an emergency in the ICU, it's full of covid patients. I know you wont believe that, but it is a fact, and no matter how much bs you find online telling you otherwise, this is the reality of the situation. A bunch of grandma types didn't get a hip replacement because the grandkids bought into the online bullshit, and had an ICU bed tied up the day grandma was scheduled for hip surgery.

When somebody is scheduled in for an elective surgery, ie, not life threatening, a number of things must happen. The folks in the system understand that on rare occasions things can go wrong during an operation, or possibly a patient can experience a bad reaction to some of the drugs or procedures. For this reason, every time somebody goes in for mundane things, ie a hip or knee replacement, there must be space for them available on short notice in the ICU. This means a vacant bed, and staff available. So in normal running situation, the ICU is 'at capacity' if they only have as many empty beds as they have operating theaters doing elective surgery. The empty beds are considered 'in use' until such time as the folks in surgery have been thru the recovery room. So if all the beds in the ICU are full already, it's a BIG deal because all elective surgeries will be cancelled until such time as there is available space in the ICU. This gets stretched even farther when there is a significant run rate of folks arriving at the ER needing extra care. If the run rate is averaging 5 admissions a day that require an ICU bed, then not only do they need one vacant for every pending surgery, they need 5 more to cover the current run rate.

So when will things be backed off, as stated, when rates of admission for covid decline to the point the hospitals can deal with it. You want a hard and fixed date, but, it's a moving target, always has been a moving target. It's very much like doing long haul flights, your pnr will change with a large change in the winds. Same concept, different application.

We already see what happens when politicians go over the head of the medical folks and declare 'pandemic over' on July 1, you need look no farther than the hospitals in Alberta to understand that. They removed all restrictions to the point it was perfectly ok for a covid positive person to wander thru the grocery store and handle the fresh lettuce on the shelf, then put it back. The folks who understand viral progression said already then, the hospitals in Alberta will be crushed with covid patients by September. I guess they were right after all.

But now I'm curious about one thing with all the chest thumping and hoopla you go on about 'freedom' and such. Are you still going to be flying for AC after Nov 1. Do you believe yourself the spew you type online, or is it just cheap talk from somebody who folds as soon as the consequences become real ?

[altiplano]

The restrictions will be backed off when hospital admissions for covid no longer surpass the hospital capacity to deal with those admissions. This was the stated goal at the onset, and is still the stated goal. Some folks tho are just to thick to understand that.

Will they be backed off? Where does it say that? And what's the actual number? These are just abstract assumptions of what they will do.

Why don't they give hard numbers for repealing and include them into their laws and orders?

Fact is that we are assuming that's what will happen. You are trusting politicians and technocrats that are trying to reshape our society beyond their mandate and have more power then they have ever had. You are trusting politicians that will do anything to get more power - current federal election 2 years early is a good example.

Do you recall Trudeau's first attempted power grab with the House adjourned? Carte blanche spending without oversight. How about the censorship legislation?

And where has Tam been these last 6 weeks? MIA. Or Howard Njoo, her deputy? Remember him recanting his own statement at a press conference right after he made it when asked about it being contrary to a comment Trudeau made - "did he says that? my boss is always right, so I must be in error."

That's how independent your technocrat leaders are. The policy they push is as much political as anything.

Up until recently I think most anyone would tell you that you're a fool to trust a politician (or bureaucrat) - so what's changed?

Altiplano, you sound as asinine as the people who go on Fox saying that they are being censored.

Insults.

That's all you have.

Someone disagrees or goes against the grain and it's all insults.

Grow up. Wake up.

[altiplano]

But now I'm curious about one thing with all the chest thumping and hoopla you go on about 'freedom' and such. Are you still going to be flying for AC after Nov 1. Do you believe yourself the spew you type online, or is it just cheap talk from somebody who folds as soon as the consequences become real ?

You people really don't take to having polite discussion with people that aren't signed into your narrative. Straight to insults, and making it personal after your diatribe.

Make no mistake there is a lot of pressure placed unjustly on a lot of good people who haven't done anything wrong.

The real question I think is what will the government do after the election today. This all started because Trudeau wanted a wedge issue. We will see what cheap talk is all about if he returns to government...

[ALPApolicy]

Thank you, goldeneagle for your thoughts. The reality of your wife's observations would tend to sway any fence-sitters, one would hope.

I am fully vaxxed and consider it my civic duty to do so. Vaccination, while not 100% effective against this opponent, seems to me (with my limited perspective), to offer the best hope for a resolution to this health emergency. Last year, my perspective was that Covid-19 was not killing kids. To me, it was a disease that targeted the elderly or those with multiple health challenges. That may still be the case, more or less, but the bigger picture is the impact on the health care system. I have a very close family member who has just officially entered the palliative stage of a medical condition. At some future point, hospitalization could be necessary. I don't know. I will be gutted beyond comprehension if I am unable to see this person (because of Covid restrictions in the future) in what could be their final days on this planet.

I am done having any sympathy for those resistant to getting the vaccination. I don't care about their concerns for their human rights or concern for the long-term effects of the needle. They are being petulant and selfish. One hundred years ago and again eighty years ago we sent teenagers over to fight an evil, world-threatening menace. I am sure all were afraid of death and many went against their will. Yet they went. And were courageous. Many died horrible deaths or were left with psychologically scarring conditions or life-altering physical deformations in order that others might live, in freedom. Covid isn't killing the youngest of our generation as did WWI and WWII, but it is affecting the life experiences of many through denial of health services, through closure or restrictions on private businesses, and through families being denied access to loved ones at critical times in their lives, to name but a few of the challenges by a good number us. It is stressing our nurses and other health care practitioners to the limit.

Until recently, I spent most of Covid, working rarely and being given a very respectable wage by my company. I am now back to work full time and seeing full airplanes again. I am grateful my company is still in operation. But My company is likely still bleeding cash. Provincial jurisdictions are back restricting freedoms. Covid has not gone away. And yet altiplano and those with him are choosing to trumpet their course of action as the right one? Why? What is their solution to combatting Covid?

It seems to me that they are choosing eyes closed and fingers in their ears as the best strategy to walking through a minefield. A few of them would have us believe that getting the needle is on par with hopping on the troop transport in Halifax for the long journey over the Atlantic to fight the evils of Adolph Hitler and company. And at this point, I suppose my response to them is, "Suck it up. buttercup".

John

[ALPApolicy]

...

Make no mistake there is a lot of pressure placed unjustly on a lot of good people who haven't done anything wrong.

...

Nor have they done anything right.

[altiplano]

And yet altiplano and those with him are choosing to trumpet their course of action as the right one? Why? What is their solution to combatting Covid?

I am not trumpeting anything or telling anyone to do anything other than what they think is best for them. In fact you are the one trumpeting and pushing your beliefs on others.

The way out IMO is protect the vulnerable, protect yourself, be smart, be safe, move on with your life.

Why do you think people that have recovered from covid should be mandatory vaccinated? When in fact we know they have better immunity than those vaccinated.

Why do you think that alternatives like testing are not effective? When in fact it is more effective to test everyone vaccinated or not as we all now know, or should know, that anyone can carry covid and testing is the best way to isolate transmission.

With a vaccine developed for the original virus, immunity waning after a few months, and an ever adapting list of variants that these vaccines are even less effective against, what do you see as a path forward? More boosters of the same juice?

You shrug off human rights like they're yesterday's ideals. Where do you draw the new line on what government, corporate interests, or other people can force you to do that is against the old order of rights?

Do you acknowledge the unprecedented number of vaccine injuries being incurred?

Given that our employers have been telling us, and the public, and government for over a year and half that flying is safe, that our workplace is safe, that we are safe, is that no longer the case? Was that a lie? Isn't it possible that other interests are in place? Advertising vaccinated workers for example? They certainly informed the press right away that they were moving ahead with it quite quickly, even absent a government directive.

[imjustlurking]

Will they be backed off? Where does it say that? And what's the actual number? These are just abstract assumptions of what they will do.

Why don't they give hard numbers for repealing and include them into their laws and orders?

Fact is that we are assuming that's what will happen. You are trusting politicians and technocrats that are trying to reshape our society beyond their mandate and have more power then they have ever had. You are trusting politicians that will do anything to get more power - current federal election 2 years early is a good example.

Do you recall Trudeau's first attempted power grab with the House adjourned? Carte blanche spending without oversight. How about the censorship legislation?

And where has Tam been these last 6 weeks? MIA. Or Howard Njoo, her deputy? Remember him recanting his own statement at a press conference right after he made it when asked about it being contrary to a comment Trudeau made - "did he says that? my boss is always right, so I must be in error."

That's how independent your technocrat leaders are. The policy they push is as much political as anything.

Up until recently I think most anyone would tell you that you're a fool to trust a politician (or bureaucrat) - so what's changed?

Altiplano, you sound as asinine as the people who go on Fox saying that they are being censored.

Fact and reason have yet to work with you.

Insults.

That's all you have.

Someone disagrees or goes against the grain and it's all insults.

Grow up. Wake up.

[goldeneagle]

Make no mistake there is a lot of pressure placed unjustly on a lot of good people who haven't done anything wrong.

Last week we had ignorant protesters standing in front of the hospital throwing rocks at folks coming off shift, hollering about how they want 'medical freedom'. We've had a car keyed in the hospital parking lot and know some of the health care workers that have had death threats over the last year.

I'm really not surprised you consider that kind of behavior as 'have done nothing wrong' and those are 'good people'.

But you didn't answer the question. Do you stand by the drivel you are posting non stop ? Or will you still be flying for AC after Nov 1 ? It's really easy to 'talk the talk', but we want to know if you have what it takes to 'walk the walk'.

[imjustlurking]

Make no mistake there is a lot of pressure placed unjustly on a lot of good people who haven't done anything wrong.

Last week we had ignorant protesters standing in front of the hospital throwing rocks at folks coming off shift, hollering about how they want 'medical freedom'. We've had a car keyed in the hospital parking lot and know some of the health care workers that have had death threats over the last year.

I'm really not surprised you consider that kind of behavior as 'have done nothing wrong' and those are 'good people'.

But you didn't answer the question. Do you stand by the drivel you are posting non stop ? Or will you still be flying for AC after Nov 1 ? It's really easy to 'talk the talk', but we want to know if you have what it takes to 'walk the walk'.

To me, Altiplano seems like the type of person who is going to vote for PPC today and then personally offended when they lose. Altiplano will then drive down to Parliament and storm it chanting "STOP THE STEAL!"

[palebird]

Trudeau is not coming back.
As far as all the whining and moral posturing on Covid and vaccines it is pretty pathetic. If you can't see through the smoke screen then you will get whatever it is that is coming down. And yes I have had close family members pass away throughout this crisis and had to deal with all of the ridiculous restrictions which make these stressful situations much worse. Three people so far. Life goes on. The population has made their own crisis and cannot see it. Now we have a major financial crisis that will blow Covid out of the water. Get ready. It started in China and is arriving here this week. There will not be a "return back to normal". What you see is what you get.

[altiplano]

Make no mistake there is a lot of pressure placed unjustly on a lot of good people who haven't done anything wrong.

Last week we had ignorant protesters standing in front of the hospital throwing rocks at folks coming off shift, hollering about how they want 'medical freedom'. We've had a car keyed in the hospital parking lot and know some of the health care workers that have had death threats over the last year.

I'm really not surprised you consider that kind of behavior as 'have done nothing wrong' and those are 'good people'.

But you didn't answer the question. Do you stand by the drivel you are posting non stop ? Or will you still be flying for AC after Nov 1 ? It's really easy to 'talk the talk', but we want to know if you have what it takes to 'walk the walk'.

You treat it as though a monolith.

Get a wider perspective.

Religious covid lockdowners were keying cars with out of province plates and threatening people who took a vacation too. I don't think that's you though.

There are a lot of good regular people just trying to live their lives. Stop buying the hysteria over a few idiots that make the news.

[altiplano]

Make no mistake there is a lot of pressure placed unjustly on a lot of good people who haven't done anything wrong.

Last week we had ignorant protesters standing in front of the hospital throwing rocks at folks coming off shift, hollering about how they want 'medical freedom'. We've had a car keyed in the hospital parking lot and know some of the health care workers that have had death threats over the last year.

I'm really not surprised you consider that kind of behavior as 'have done nothing wrong' and those are 'good people'.

But you didn't answer the question. Do you stand by the drivel you are posting non stop ? Or will you still be flying for AC after Nov 1 ? It's really easy to 'talk the talk', but we want to know if you have what it takes to 'walk the walk'.

To me, Altiplano seems like the type of person who is going to vote for PPC today and then personally offended when they lose. Altiplano will then drive down to Parliament and storm it chanting "STOP THE STEAL!"

Grow up.

[goldeneagle]

There are a lot of good regular people just trying to live their lives. Stop buying the hysteria over a few idiots that make the news.

I see your point. It's the end of the world if you have to put on a mask to go into a grocery store, but if my family has rocks thrown at them coming out of work after doing an overnight overtime shift, that's just media hysteria.

I notice, you still haven't answered the question.

[altiplano]

There are a lot of good regular people just trying to live their lives. Stop buying the hysteria over a few idiots that make the news.

I see your point. It's the end of the world if you have to put on a mask to go into a grocery store, but if my family has rocks thrown at them coming out of work after doing an overnight overtime shift, that's just media hysteria.

I notice, you still haven't answered the question.

You're obviously hysterical. You are conflating ideas.

Do you think everyone that hasn't been vaccinated is throwing rocks at you? Which hospitals had rocks thrown at them... I know Trudeau did, apparently it was pebbles and other debris, is that what you meant?

I'll say it again, you treat unvaccinated people as a monolith. It's wrong to discriminate against the many because what you heard about a few.

[cdnavater]

And yet altiplano and those with him are choosing to trumpet their course of action as the right one? Why? What is their solution to combatting Covid?

I am not trumpeting anything or telling anyone to do anything other than what they think is best for them. In fact you are the one trumpeting and pushing your beliefs on others.

The way out IMO is protect the vulnerable, protect yourself, be smart, be safe, move on with your life.

Why do you think people that have recovered from covid should be mandatory vaccinated? When in fact we know they have better immunity than those vaccinated.

Why do you think that alternatives like testing are not effective? When in fact it is more effective to test everyone vaccinated or not as we all now know, or should know, that anyone can carry covid and testing is the best way to isolate transmission.

With a vaccine developed for the original virus, immunity waning after a few months, and an ever adapting list of variants that these vaccines are even less effective against, what do you see as a path forward? More boosters of the same juice?

You shrug off human rights like they're yesterday's ideals. Where do you draw the new line on what government, corporate interests, or other people can force you to do that is against the old order of rights?

Do you acknowledge the unprecedented number of vaccine injuries being incurred?

Given that our employers have been telling us, and the public, and government for over a year and half that flying is safe, that our workplace is safe, that we are safe, is that no longer the case? Was that a lie? Isn't it possible that other interests are in place? Advertising vaccinated workers for example? They certainly informed the press right away that they were moving ahead with it quite quickly, even absent a government directive.

Altiplano,
The problem with your idea of the way forward is human nature, Alberta being a prime example. People left to decide for themselves seem to go the extreme, obviously the only way to protect us from ourselves is government imposed restrictions.
I’m a reasonable person, I have been fully vaccinated and I still won’t attend a full house sporting event or go to a bar or etc…
I’m also very tired of the protect the vulnerable mentality, define the vulnerable, is it the old, is it people with higher risk factors or co-morbidity? How do you propose doing this? In order to be deemed non vulnerable, your doctor must attest to this, good luck with that! Or, do we get to decide if we are non vulnerable? See above, human nature, the same people who are against getting the vaccine will absolutely consider themselves safe!
I encountered a husband and wife recently, who were against getting vaccinated, the wife was morbidly obese, recovering from Cancer and her reason for not getting vaccinated was her last round of chemotherapy knocked her on her ass, it was well over a year ago but she says she will not put anything foreign in her body as she pours herself a whiskey.
I have no doubt she will die if she gets severe Covid, her husband won’t get it because it’s all a lie, the hospitals are not full, the numbers are being manipulated, etc.., I left the birthday party about 5 minutes after learning these two were unvaxxed. I thought I was at a party with only vaccinated, by the way, party is a stretch, it was 10 people prior to their arrival.
These are the people who need protection from themselves.
I also can’t help but notice, you refuse to answer whether or not you will be on LOA come November, but you are also not very vocal about the atrocity of being out of work. My conclusion is it is likely you got your first shot and are hoping for a change of government to put an end to it.
I predict, it won’t matter, Air Canada is a private company and can continue to require it as a condition of employment. Even if you managed to get legal action going, the length of time it will take to go through the courts will make it all moot.
Good luck

[imjustlurking]

Grow up.

Are you vaccinated? If not, do you plan on getting the jab?

[dialdriver]

Grow up.

Are you vaccinated? If not, do you plan on getting the jab?

B.C. is in a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated,’ latest modelling numbers show

https://globalnews.ca/news/8155095/bc-m ... 21-step-4/

[737Maximilian]

Altiplano, you must understand the frustration here. Our country is now entering into the depths of the fourth wave. Alberta is going into a state of emergency. Their nursing union is requesting military assistance.

The most disheartening part of all this is that it could've been avoided if we had higher vaccination rates. Vaccines have been proven to be safe, effective, and beneficial in in reducing both the transmissibility and the severity of the disease. These two functions are linked. We need to reduce the severity to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed, and we need to reduce the transmissibility to get the reproductive rate below 1 (closer to 0.5 would be ideal). If the disease continues to reproduce at higher levels, it introduces the chance of mutations, which might set us back months or even years.

You may feel yourself safe by following your own personal health measures, but the reality is this is a highly infectious disease, and you only need to get unlucky once. There have been an untold number of cases of young and healthy individuals being hospitalized due to COVID, especially with the delta variant. Don't think that you can't be one of them - get vaccinated.

As a result of the emergency, Alberta is now having to delay cancer treatments for children there. What this means is that the unvaccinated are almost entirely to blame for the prolonged suffering of deeply ill children. If you can't understand the anger, then I'm not sure what to say.

[ALPApolicy]

I am not trumpeting anything or telling anyone to do anything other than what they think is best for them. In fact you are the one trumpeting and pushing your beliefs on others.

The way out IMO is protect the vulnerable, protect yourself, be smart, be safe, move on with your life. RESPONSE: That seems very general. Albertans just had an experiment with protecting themselves and being smart and being safe and it clearly backfired, with consequences for all of their citizens. There are times when ONLY government can do what is necessary to protect everyone.

Why do you think people that have recovered from covid should be mandatory vaccinated? When in fact we know they have better immunity than those vaccinated. RESPONSE: Is this actually a fact? See August 2021 study.

Why do you think that alternatives like testing are not effective? RESPONSE: Effective at what?
I believe that vaccination is the best protection and the best method against transmission of the disease. Testing, in addition to being time-consuming, is a means of detecting the disease AFTER transmission has occurred. My company, for instance, has chosen to adopt a policy for people entering the HQ building to require full vaccination after October 31st, and will not be testing, at this point. Also, testing is not practical for most small businesses. A vaccine passport would be much more practical for those businesses choosing to provide a layer of protection beyond masks. When in fact it is more effective to test everyone vaccinated or not as we all now know, or should know, that anyone can carry covid and testing is the best way to isolate transmission. RESPONSE: I do not agree with your position here. Testing is ONE means of "isolating" transmission. Social distancing, masking, limiting large gatherings, and vaccinations are all means of limiting transmission. As is natural immunity, which requires getting the disease first and is not complete protection against a disease that mutates.
With a vaccine developed for the original virus, immunity waning after a few months, and an ever adapting list of variants that these vaccines are even less effective against, what do you see as a path forward? More boosters of the same juice? RESPONSE: I believe that scientists will continue to work on vaccines and that the current list of vaccines still provides the best means of protection. Boosters, I imagine, will be developed that address waning protection.



You shrug off human rights like they're yesterday's ideals. Where do you draw the new line on what government, corporate interests, or other people can force you to do that is against the old order of rights? I think the same argument was likely used by those opposed to conscription during WWII and against involuntary taxation. I have to admit that I am not a freedom or individual rights absolutist. If we are to all function in a community of individuals, I believe that there are times when the needs of the many will outweigh the needs of the few (or the one...). We all need to escape the cycle of outbreaks and lockdowns and reimposition of restrictions.

Do you acknowledge the unprecedented number of vaccine injuries being incurred? RESPONSE: I trust that the various medical and governmental agencies are doing what is ethically in the best interests of their constituents. I suppose I could be cynical and conspiratorial on this point. I choose not to be.

Given that our employers have been telling us, and the public, and government for over a year and half that flying is safe, that our workplace is safe, that we are safe, is that no longer the case? Was that a lie? RESPONSE: The government will be mandating the vaccination requirement shortly (assuming a Liberal party win) so companies have no choice. Additionally, the word "safe" isn't absolute. Also, a fully vaccinated workforce is a good thing for society, in my opinion. You may have a different one. Isn't it possible that other interests are in place? Advertising vaccinated workers for example? RESPONSE: I don't have time nor interest to pursue the conspiracy theories. It is my position that the government and our industry are both just trying to get past the pandemic. They certainly informed the press right away that they were moving ahead with it quite quickly, even absent a government directive.