Air Canada pilot refuses to get vaccinated, in peril of losing job

[CpnCrunch]

So, which avcanada poster is this? Jerry Rig?

https://www.newmarkettoday.ca/local-new ... ob-4502240

[bob99]

Well there's a few hundred furloughs that will happily take his spot.

[imjustlurking]

Air Canada first officer with an address in Orillia that is not vaccinated.

This guy is an idiot... he'll be terminated with cause because what are the chances that there are more than one FO who is unvaccinated from Orillia?

https://www.newmarkettoday.ca/local-new ... ob-4502240

[Inverted2]

Good for him for sticking to his beliefs but the article says 90% have got the vaccine. My quick math says that means roughly 400 decided not to take it?

[2R]

Time for a Top Gun Reference ?
You know the one about truck driving school or have all the top gun fans migrated to the other site that sells the truck driving school T shirts ?

[737Maximilian]

There's freedom of choice, but there's also consequences to these decisions. When you think three months of research makes you more informed than the experts who've spent their entire careers studying in this field, a forced LOA is the result.

At least you had the choice, where 600 pilots did not. Their return to flying depends entirely on the prompt return to normalcy only the mass-vaccination of our society can provide. If you want to join the group spouting pseudo- or anti-science rhetoric directly opposing this goal, any one of the 600 would be happy to take your spot.

Sorry, but I have no sympathy.

[Aviatard]

“To have all that thrown away…”. No dude you chose to throw it away.

[Capt. Underpants]

A fact is information minus emotion.

An opinion is information plus experience.

Ignorance is an opinion without information.

And stupidity is an opinion that ignores facts.

[rookiepilot]

I couldn’t care less. Sucks to be you.

And stop whining to the media — you know like your pax aren't supposed to do?

[‘Bob’]

A very replaceable pilot who has had more than enough time to see the complete lack of side effects of the vaccine in the majority of people who’ve had it administered and who’s self-sacrifice will go completely unnoticed in Canada.

We will never see Southwest style disruptions that are a result of the idiocracy to the south.

[speedah]

Good for him for sticking to his beliefs but the article says 90% have got the vaccine. My quick math says that means roughly 400 decided not to take it?

It's about 70 pilots currently that are being placed on LOA for failure to vaccinate.

[bob99]

So, less than 2% of AC pilots are unvaccinated. I don't think this guy is gonna get the sympathy he's looking for.

[Loon-A-Tic]

So, less than 2% of AC pilots are unvaccinated. I don't think this guy is gonna get the sympathy he's looking for.

If he’s looking for sympathy he’ll find it between “sorry & syphilis” in Webster’s

[imjustlurking]

Good for him for sticking to his beliefs but the article says 90% have got the vaccine. My quick math says that means roughly 400 decided not to take it?

It's about 70 pilots currently that are being placed on LOA for failure to vaccinate.

The numbers I saw were employees across the board. It make sense that the group of employees who have specialized training that is not transferable to another industry would have a higher uptake in the vaccine. It's also the group that is more likely to be better educated.

[Jet Jockey]

Yes you have the right to make your own decision but you have to live by that decision.

In the case of Covid and seeing that parts of Canada now have close 90% of their population fully vaccinated with very few having major side effects and if the numbers as reported here that 98% of Air Canada pilots are fully vaccinated, this person for the sake of his/her job better change his/her tune…

I would have no problem with Air Canada terminating anyone that dies not follow the vaccine mandate.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Their return to flying depends entirely on the prompt return to normalcy only the mass-vaccination of our society can provide.

Just had to point out that the fact you think mass-vaccination is the silver bullet to end the pandemic is laughable. Vaccine uptake is higher than ever, and cases continue to climb. Keep dreaming.

[imjustlurking]

Their return to flying depends entirely on the prompt return to normalcy only the mass-vaccination of our society can provide.

Just had to point out that the fact you think mass-vaccination is the silver bullet to end the pandemic is laughable. Vaccine uptake is higher than ever, and cases continue to climb. Keep dreaming.

Congratulations on looking at the raw COVID case number and making an assumption regarding the data's relationship to vaccine effectiveness.

Rate of COVID-19 cases 12 times higher among unvaccinated than vaccinated: PHAC

Ontario reports 798 new COVID cases, 497 are in unvaccinated people -- Article a little dated. As of that date, Ontario, 77% of eligible Ontarians were fully vaccinated (~67% of all Ontarioans). When 73% of cases are in 33% of the group (unvaccinated), you've got to think to yourself, how the f* can anyone keep spreading the bs that the vaccines are not effective?

[Old fella]

Question. Could other flight crew members refuse assignments with this FO since he/she has publicly stated no vaccination status. For example could a fully vaccinated Captain refuse to fly trips with this FO due to close contact cockpit environment, citing safety and more importantly his/her health, especially if said Captain has young kids at home.

PS reverse question as well fully vaccinated FO vs an unwilling not vaccinated Captain.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Pilots should refuse to fly with unvaccinated crews. This has gone on for to long and the only way back to normal is when everyone is vaccinated. These anti vax colleagues are putting everyone at risk and it’s all without good reasons. I say give them 6 months to figure it out and if they still refuse fire them.

[palebird]

My gosh people. This is a casedemic. The health authorities are using cases to justify vaccines. The PCR test is open to rampant misuse and they are doing just that. If they magnify the test by 40 times (so called cycle rate) they can find anything. Including Covid. Because one thing is clear. Covid will be found in everybody that is tested. It is endemic. Never going away. And for the majority of people it means nothing. Except if you happen to have an agenda, such as the government of Canada. Taking an experimental vaccine may or may not help you. Jury is still out. The world population is the clinical trial test. Cool. You are far better off living healthy in my humble opinion.

[dialdriver]

My gosh people. This is a casedemic. The health authorities are using cases to justify vaccines. The PCR test is open to rampant misuse and they are doing just that. If they magnify the test by 40 times (so called cycle rate) they can find anything. Including Covid. Because one thing is clear. Covid will be found in everybody that is tested. It is endemic. Never going away. And for the majority of people it means nothing. Except if you happen to have an agenda, such as the government of Canada. Taking an experimental vaccine may or may not help you. Jury is still out. The world population is the clinical trial test. Cool. You are far better off living healthy in my humble opinion.

Fact Check- COVID-19 vaccines are not experimental and they have not skipped trial stages 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL1N2M70MW

[ant_321]

Although the PCR test has its faults, Covid is certainly not found in everyone tested. I have plenty of friends who were tested many times and always tested negative. One was tested 29 times throughout the pandemic so far for personal and work travel and has yet to test positive.

[737Maximilian]

Just had to point out that the fact you think mass-vaccination is the silver bullet to end the pandemic is laughable. Vaccine uptake is higher than ever, and cases continue to climb. Keep dreaming.

Have you heard of the delta variant? Either way, one only needs to look to Alberta to see the vaccinated aren't what's stretching their healthcare system thin.

Taking an experimental vaccine may or may not help you. Jury is still out.

At what point would you consider the vaccines non-experimental? How many experts need to declare the vaccines safe and effective?

You are far better off living healthy in my humble opinion.

I guarantee most of the unvaccinated people dying in the ICU right now felt the same way.

[‘Bob’]

Their return to flying depends entirely on the prompt return to normalcy only the mass-vaccination of our society can provide.

Just had to point out that the fact you think mass-vaccination is the silver bullet to end the pandemic is laughable. Vaccine uptake is higher than ever, and cases continue to climb. Keep dreaming.

It’s not about the cases. It’s about the burden on the healthcare system.

Right now, by far the majority of ER and ICU patients are unvaccinated.

So if it’s as you say “vaccine uptake is higher than ever” then it’s the tiniest minority that has resulted in the near collapse of our healthcare system.

So the figure still isn’t high enough. It needs to be nearly total, or those who choose not to be vaccinated need to be excluded from society which is exactly what mandates and passports are all about.

[mrwhale]

I also will not be vaccinated. The data is already out on mass clotting issues and permanent heart damage. Will only be time when you all lose your medicals. The way I figure it the vaxed have 6 months before they start dropping like flies. The ones left to keep flying will need to take some anti clotting approved medicine for the rest of your career. I will not support aborted fetal cell line research.

Another pilot just died in the states a few days after the forced vax. This one was in flight.
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/10/s ... -required/

Wonder which airlines will have a large portion of their staff with short term and long term damage that will result in a great deal of their work force grounded.