Flair Hiring B737 FO's

[bdriver90]

Good day everubody.

Will hiring captain be on the Flair's agenda soon or later..or is it something we can forget about it. Thks.

It's unlikely we will hire DEC's again although there is a slight possibility of a very limited number next year depending on how many of our FO's decline the upgrade to hold their base/lifestyle. Our current FO's are mostly all former widebody captains with 10 000+ hours.

Our most junior captain at the moment upgraded in 4 months, which will likely become closer to 12-18 months by the end of 2022 and 24+ months by the end of 2023.

I’ve got to say, it really is nice to have some transparent information on current experience of flight crews, bases, upgrade times, and an in depth look at what kind of experience you are looking for and what kind of experience we would be competing with in the hiring process. Also hiring timelines.

Thanks for answering questions, appreciate it.

What are the chances for a Canadian citizen with an ATPL, 2500 hrs half jet and half heavy turboprop? I know the experience has priority but what is the point of taking a 10,000 Capt on the right seat, some more experienced than the captains. Sometimes not a good idea to have two captains in the flight deck. Plus some of us younger guys are planning to grow with the company!

[C-GGGQ]

Suggestion: the website only allows for pdf resumes apparently. Word doc support would be useful.

[indieadventurer]

Suggestion: the website only allows for pdf resumes apparently. Word doc support would be useful.

You can Save As a PDF in Word.

But I think the big advantage in sending as a PDF is that it preserves formatting and avoids any compatibility issues, plus it's considered slightly more secure for the receiver.

Agree though that adding Word support could be helpful.

[imjustlurking]

Suggestion: the website only allows for pdf resumes apparently. Word doc support would be useful.

You can Save As a PDF in Word.

But I think the big advantage in sending as a PDF is that it preserves formatting and avoids any compatibility issues, plus it's considered slightly more secure for the receiver.

Agree though that adding Word support could be helpful.

If you can't afford word, use Libre Office. It's free and has PDF support built in.

[tbaylx]

Suggestion: the website only allows for pdf resumes apparently. Word doc support would be useful.

Thanks, I'll bring that to the recruiting team for consideration

[C-GGGQ]

Suggestion: the website only allows for pdf resumes apparently. Word doc support would be useful.

You can Save As a PDF in Word.

But I think the big advantage in sending as a PDF is that it preserves formatting and avoids any compatibility issues, plus it's considered slightly more secure for the receiver.

Agree though that adding Word support could be helpful.

If you can't afford word, use Libre Office. It's free and has PDF support built in.

Oh yeah it was just an extra step (cause i didn’t catch the pdf thing at first. It says it a few steps above where you actually upload) i made my resume in google docs which can export a word file, but not a pdf (that I could see) so i had to go export as word then change the word to pdf. Not a huge deal, but annoying when you thought you were finishing the last step in the process and it fails to upload

[tbaylx]

Suggestion: the website only allows for pdf resumes apparently. Word doc support would be useful.

After speaking to the recruiting team that is done on purpose as word document formatting is often corrupted as files are moved around and viewed.

[tbaylx]

It's unlikely we will hire DEC's again although there is a slight possibility of a very limited number next year depending on how many of our FO's decline the upgrade to hold their base/lifestyle. Our current FO's are mostly all former widebody captains with 10 000+ hours.

Our most junior captain at the moment upgraded in 4 months, which will likely become closer to 12-18 months by the end of 2022 and 24+ months by the end of 2023.

I’ve got to say, it really is nice to have some transparent information on current experience of flight crews, bases, upgrade times, and an in depth look at what kind of experience you are looking for and what kind of experience we would be competing with in the hiring process. Also hiring timelines.

Thanks for answering questions, appreciate it.

What are the chances for a Canadian citizen with an ATPL, 2500 hrs half jet and half heavy turboprop? I know the experience has priority but what is the point of taking a 10,000 Capt on the right seat, some more experienced than the captains. Sometimes not a good idea to have two captains in the flight deck. Plus some of us younger guys are planning to grow with the company!

It’s unlikely we’ll be considering 2500 hours until mid to late next year. The point in hiring 10000+ hour former jet captains as FOs is that they can upgrade on day 1 or whenever we need them. We quadrupled in size this year and are going to double again next year. We need a solid core of experience in the left seat to support that growth and we’re lucky enough to have it available right now.

No one is sitting as an FO longer than 3-8 months right now. As that upgrade time begins to extend then we begin hiring lower time pilots that we can develop and train internally over a period of a few years so they’ll be excellent, safe captains when ready.

We are beginning to mix in some lower experienced pilots (5000tt and fo only jet time) with our hiring in order to stagger out the experience levels and that will continue to drop in 2022-23

[a380super]

Thks for all the useful infos Tbaylx.

[indieadventurer]

Hi tbaylx, is Flair planning any service into YXU?

[tbaylx]

Hi tbaylx, is Flair planning any service into YXU?

Not at the moment. We’ve partnered with ykf. Our network planning team is always evaluating new routes for the new aircraft arriving so it’s always possible in the future.

[tbaylx]

Thks for all the useful infos Tbaylx.

No problem, glad it’s helpful.

[aerosexual]

It's nice to see management engaged in a positive way on this forum.

How are the contract negotiations coming along? I hope captain pay in the new contract will reflect the experience levels that Flair hopes to attain and continue to attract.

[RoAF-Mig21]

Is there a maximum age limit for pilots (CAPT/FO) being hired?

[dialdriver]

Is there a maximum age limit for pilots (CAPT/FO) being hired?

Yes. It's in the Canadian Human Rights Act.

[a380super]

So back to the base assignement...i understand that a new hire who applies to flair doesnt really known where he/ she is gonnna be based? ( as it depends on availibility and seniority..).

[imjustlurking]

So back to the base assignement...i understand that a new hire who applies to flair doesnt really known where he/ she is gonnna be based? ( as it depends on availibility and seniority..).

Welcome to airline life.

[flying4dollars]

So back to the base assignement...i understand that a new hire who applies to flair doesnt really known where he/ she is gonnna be based? ( as it depends on availibility and seniority..).

Correct. It's based on positions open/opening at a given base. I believe the next set of aircraft to be delivered will be between Toronto, Vancouver and Edmonton. The bids go internally first and once those positions have been filled, whatever is open will be awarded to new hires based on their seniority.

[Old fella]

Good news for those look to get back in aviation.Globe and Mail Business section had a very good article today on Flair expansion(Canada and US), article behind a paywall so can’t link it. Theme from reading is Flair has a handle on where they want to go- excerpts:

“……That’s why Flair’s expansion move is so interesting, Erickson added, in that it takes advantage of a period in time when both Air Canada and WestJet are struggling to rebuild in the wake of a global pandemic that decimated their revenues and forced both airlines to lay off large portions of their work force.

“The timing of this tells me these guys (Flair) are shrewd operators,” he said. “There’s an opportunity here, as both Air Canada and WestJet are struggling to get up and going again.”

Flair has also done a good job of “stepping around” the major airlines, Erickson said, by flying into secondary airports. For example, Flair flies to Hollywood-Burbank, Calif., instead of Los Angeles International Airport, and Phoenix-Mesa instead of the much larger Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport.

“Everything I see from them tells me someone is really thinking. There’s definitely a plan here,” Erickson said. “There is a possibility this could turn into a pretty significant airline.”

[palebird]

Nothing against Flair. But sidestepping major airports by startups or ULCC's is not new or innovative. Has been done for many years. Think Abbotsford, Mirabel, Hamilton, Ottawa, etc. Not to mention the USA. Same old same old.

[imjustlurking]

Nothing against Flair. But sidestepping major airports by startups or ULCC's is not new or innovative. Has been done for many years. Think Abbotsford, Mirabel, Hamilton, Ottawa, etc. Not to mention the USA. Same old same old.

They've been squeezed out of the major airports, so they are attempting a Ryanair style route network.

[GRK2]

Nothing against Flair. But sidestepping major airports by startups or ULCC's is not new or innovative. Has been done for many years. Think Abbotsford, Mirabel, Hamilton, Ottawa, etc. Not to mention the USA. Same old same old.

They've been squeezed out of the major airports, so they are attempting a Ryanair style route network.

Squeezed out how? I see CYVR CYEG CYYC CYYZ CYUL...are those not major airports? Oh and KLAS if you're looking south of the border. Isn't Ft. Lauderdale on the route plans, Denver? Looks pretty major to me. Standard ULCC with a mix. The smaller airfields in the USA are easy to get in and out of, the traffic levels at these places make it economical and quick to turn a MAX. A Ryan Air style network is the proverbial ULCC model, and it's the same as Easyjet and Wizzair. No squeezing, just ULCC business. Stop hoping for failure would ya? It's about time us Canadians had better choices.

[imjustlurking]

Nothing against Flair. But sidestepping major airports by startups or ULCC's is not new or innovative. Has been done for many years. Think Abbotsford, Mirabel, Hamilton, Ottawa, etc. Not to mention the USA. Same old same old.

They've been squeezed out of the major airports, so they are attempting a Ryanair style route network.

Squeezed out how? I see CYVR CYEG CYYC CYYZ CYUL...are those not major airports? Oh and KLAS if you're looking south of the border. Isn't Ft. Lauderdale on the route plans, Denver? Looks pretty major to me. Standard ULCC with a mix. The smaller airfields in the USA are easy to get in and out of, the traffic levels at these places make it economical and quick to turn a MAX. A Ryan Air style network is the proverbial ULCC model, and it's the same as Easyjet and Wizzair. No squeezing, just ULCC business. Stop hoping for failure would ya? It's about time us Canadians had better choices.

Enjoy your choices.

[SMD]

#yourjustjurking

[imjustlurking]

#yourjustjurking

I realized that I had no reason to argue with you. I hope that you get what you want.