Will you be fully vaccinated by Nov 1st?

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Won’t be long and none of you will be fully vaccinated until your third shot.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-ada ... 021-11-15/

LONDON, Nov 15 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Monday said the definition of fully-vaccinated would have to be adjusted to account for third "booster" COVID-19 shots, although he did not give a time-frame for the move. Fully-vaccinated currently means you have received two COVID shots. All over-40s are now eligible for a booster jab six months after their second dose. "It's very clear that getting three jabs, getting your booster, will become an important fact and it will make life easier for you in all sorts of ways," Johnson said at a news conference. "We will have to adjust our concept of what constitutes a full vaccination to take account of that, and I think that is increasingly obvious."

Did you hear that? Getting a third jab will make life easier for you! He didn’t say getting a third jab might save your life, he didn’t say this is about your health. He made it pretty clear, the third jab is simply about control and mandates. If you want the easy life, comply! And if you don’t they will do everything to make life more difficult for you.

Insane we have reached this point of compliance where people don’t know what to do anymore. Seems like most people who bought into the bullshit are now backed into the corner and don’t have a way out. How can covid end for those people who are pro mandates and policies… hard to just flip your beliefs once you drink the koolaid this long. Don’t say you weren’t warned, there were plenty of people who said they don’t agree with the measures. Plenty of people went and protested. However they were mocked, silenced and now everyone is stuck being suckers in the madness.

Understandable, many of you believe some restrictions need to be in place. Understandable we can’t just ignore covid and pretend covid doesn’t exist. But I highly doubt the fully (soon to be non) vaccinated are on board with many of the tyrannical policies impacting their lives. How long until round 3 is Canada’s definition of fully vaccinated? Glad I’m not taking part in this stupidity, happy to not sit down and eat in restaurants .

[‘Bob’]

Hahahahahaha!!!


Imagine thinking that “making things easier for you in all sorts of ways” somehow excludes health and life.

I’ll get my third shot. And fourth and fifth too.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Hahahahahaha!!!


Imagine thinking that “making things easier for you in all sorts of ways” somehow excludes health and life.

I’ll get my third shot. And fourth and fifth too.

Of course you will get another shot. The science is clear that the vaccine is not very effective after 6 months. This is not so much a vaccine as it is a preventative treatment.

The flu shot is taken annually because strains of the flu change. It's not that your shot is not effective after 12 months, you get a shot for the new strains predicted.

This "vaccine" on the other hand is not much of a vaccine at all. Had to change the definition of vaccines to make it work. But of course if you got round 1 and 2 I don't see why anyone wont take round 3. It's the same people with the same science so keep following the science you believe. If they say you need a shot every 6 months for the rest of your life, you would likely accept that as what needs to be.

When you have a fence and you fall on one side of it, once there it’s hard to switch sides. Many policies don’t make sense, but no politician is going to say we are doing it wrong. It would be hard for those who argue the vaccines are great to change their mind and say no to a booster.

I would really question the vaccines efficacy and how they determine that. 6 months is a narrow window. I find it kind of crazy that after two doses you only get 6 months. Smells fishy to me. If they said the shot was updated for the variant, this would seem logical. But no, most people won’t ask questions, they will just comply. At the very least, the vaccines were nothing like we were told they would be. We were promised normal after two shots, and yet here we are with more restrictions incoming.

[I WAS Pez]

Of course you will get another shot. The science is clear that the vaccine is not very effective after 6 months. This is not so much a vaccine as it is a preventative treatment.

The flu shot is taken annually because strains of the flu change. It's not that your shot is not effective after 12 months, you get a shot for the new strains predicted.

This "vaccine" on the other hand is not much of a vaccine at all. Had to change the definition of vaccines to make it work.

But of course if you got round 1 and 2 I don't see why anyone wont take round 3. It's the same people with the same science so keep following the science you believe.

{sigh}.... So, here we go again. The science is clear that the vaccines, especially the mRNA vaccines (and most notably Moderna) do remain extremely effective at preventing severe illness and death after 6 months in people with healthy immune systems.

That protection against mild and asymptomatic illness drops with time more than hoped for isn't optimal, but it's also not that unexpected. COVID is a particularly nasty virus, and it's remained at high enough levels in the population (in large part due to the much too high percentage of unvaccinated people) that folks who were vaccinated 8 months ago are constantly being exposed to it.

You point on flu strains mutating necessitating new flu vaccine variants; COVID HAS mutated. Multiple times. The now dominant Delta variant is not the variant that any of the vaccines was engineered to protect against, and yet they still provide a very high level of protection (albeit not as high as with the original strain they were engineered for).

Final thought on third doses; once it's recommended by our public health authorities and available for my age cohort and I'm at the recommend time interval from my second dose, I'll quite happily roll up my sleeve. Not without some guilt however; while it's becoming clear that third doses are indicated for optimal protection, the rich West really SHOULDN'T be taking third doses when most people in the developing world have yet to receive a single dose, let alone two. Considering the rest of the world, SHOULD we be giving ourselves third doses, outside of our immune compromised and high risk folks now? Probably not. WILL we? Yes. We're a rich country and will take it because we view it as being in our best interests. Other point there is that new variants which will eventually make their way here, will continue to emerge from the undervaccinated populations around the world. Once our government has secured a supply of third doses though, we'd all be fools to not avail ourselves of the best protection modern science has to offer against a really ugly disease.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Question for you Bob, and Pelmet.

What do you think of the timing of the release of the Pfizer “vaccine” and the Pfizer “pill” being about a year apart. Is this coincidence? Did the treatment just happen to come out after the vaccines were available to its prime market? Why did the pill, the treatment, take a whole year longer to develop?

It’s like this happened right on time! The vaccines came out, then the effectiveness drops, you get your third shot, new drug is soon to be approved… then you can take this pill. Pfizer can get you 4 times now! Excellent way to make financial gains.

Is it coincidence that the way vaccines and treatments roll out just happens to be in a way that has huge financial opportunities for the drug makers? Is it possible that the covid treatment drug was developed just as early on, however they held out to make sure people got vaccinated first as to not cut into their market share of your fear? This is a well orchestrated pandemic.

These things don’t change whether of not covid can kill you, or how dangerous it is. But this is just an example of how our best interest is not likely to be top priority. Pfizer has zero interest in your health, they are interested in how they can profit most off of you this pandemic. Hell no you don’t release the cure pill before the vaccines… you release the vaccines, and quadruple your sales with all the boosters and follow up treatments.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

You point on flu strains mutating necessitating new flu vaccine variants; COVID HAS mutated. Multiple times. The now dominant Delta variant is not the variant that any of the vaccines was engineered to protect against, and yet they still provide a very high level of protection (albeit not as high as with the original strain they were engineered for).

Why is the booster shot the same thing and not updated for the variant?

{sigh}.... So, here we go again. The science is clear that the vaccines, especially the mRNA vaccines (and most notably Moderna) do remain extremely effective at preventing severe illness and death after 6 months in people with healthy immune systems.

So why are politicians saying everyone is not fully vaccinated unless they get a third shot in Israel and the UK? If I have two doses and it’s highly effective after 6 months because I am not compromised, why would I be forced to take another shot?

And lastly, thanks for those final thoughts. Makes sense that you have some quarrel with the third dose for the reasons you listed.

[palebird]

Sure is humorous watching these robots regurgitate their babble on vaccines. Sounds like a frustrated adult explaining to a kid why they have to do something even though it makes no sense. The adult is just following the party line and really has no idea of what they are spouting about. Blah blah blah. The whole vaccine nonsense has been thoroughly discredited. Period. If you wish to participate in so called normal society you will take the vaccine and whatever else. And you will believe in climate change as it is dictated. What a load of bunk.

[Bingo Fuel]

All I hear from the anti-lockdown/anti-mask types is complaints and grievance. No plans to change things. All talk, no action.

71 percent of Canadians believe that unvaccinated airline employees should be fired. How do you plan on changing that?

https://angusreid.org/covid-firing-booster/

[goldeneagle]

Sure is humorous watching these robots regurgitate their babble on vaccines. Sounds like a frustrated adult explaining to a kid why they have to do something even though it makes no sense. The adult is just following the party line and really has no idea of what they are spouting about. Blah blah blah. The whole vaccine nonsense has been thoroughly discredited. Period. If you wish to participate in so called normal society you will take the vaccine and whatever else. And you will believe in climate change as it is dictated. What a load of bunk.

Yes we all know, there is not such thing as covid, and the floods in BC today are just more 'fake news'. We know this, cuz you read it on facebook.

And palebird is dumb as a post, we know that too, I read it on AvCanada, so it must be true.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

All I hear from the anti-lockdown/anti-mask types is complaints and grievance. No plans to change things. All talk, no action.

71 percent of Canadians believe that unvaccinated airline employees should be fired. How do you plan on changing that?

https://angusreid.org/covid-firing-booster/

All talk no action? These people are silenced and mocked on social media.

First ask yourself do you agree with those who don’t want mandatory vaccines, and don’t want to wear masks. If you don’t even agree with them then why would you say all talk no action? What kind of action are you looking for? Several pilots have put their jobs on hold and have lost income over their beliefs. That is likely more “action” than you could show for in your life. Are you trying to entice violence or what kind of action you looking for? If you do agree with them, then what have you done to support them in their beliefs?

You say 71 percent of people think airline employees should be fired, are you one of those 71 percent?

That’s kind of intense. I mean even the major airlines haven’t fired anyone yet. So what you are saying is 71 percent of people think the airlines haven’t even gone far enough and should have fired these people rather than put them on leave?

[Bingo Fuel]

So what you are saying is 71 percent of people think the airlines haven’t even gone far enough and should have fired these people rather than put them on leave?

Yep. I'm saying that's exactly what 71% of Canadians believe. Furthermore, 78% of vaccinated Canadians believe that.

Nothing that happens on this forum will change that. Let me show you why:

In 2018, there were approximately 20,200 ATPL and CPL licences in force. Let's assume that all of them are on this forum. Let's also assume that every single one of them agrees with you.

20,200 people is 0.05% of the population.

Once again, 71% want the unvaccinated pilots fired.

You would need to convince the same number of people who voted for the PPC and NDP combined to change that.

So what's your plan?

Are you trying to entice violence or what kind of action you looking for?

That's up to you. Easiest thing is to just get vaccinated. Otherwise, you should get cracking on a plan to convince millions of Canadians who aren't on this forum. In which case, you have some hard work ahead and posting here is probably a waste of your time.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Well it’s interesting survey results.

I think a better survey question would be, “do you support mandatory vaccines at your workplace”. Why should I care what 99.9 percent of the population who don’t do my job, think about what health choices should be mandatory for my profession?

Do you think that’s a reasonable way to make medical decisions?

I bet if we survey the general public if we should have cameras recording the pilots in the flight deck in the name of safety to make sure they do their jobs correctly, maybe 70 percent of average joes would say this is a good idea. Does this make it the right thing to do?

If we asked the general public if they think airlines should be forced to reduce emissions by 50 percent in 10 years, do you think an uneducated public opinion may be in favour of this idea?

Do you really think I read into these survey results as if public opinion is the right opinion? 1000 non medical experts with average IQ and zero background in anything to do with covid believe airline employees should be vaccinated for covid or be fired! well woopty doo.

[Bingo Fuel]

Whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter. It also doesn't matter if the majority of the Canadian population is smart or stupid.

What matters is that they believe it, and our elected officials make policies based on those beliefs. If there are no coordinated mass efforts to change those beliefs, then the unvaccinated pilots will continue to be out of work for a very long time.

If you insist on remaining unvaccinated, and have no plan to change the minds of the "uneducated" population, then I hope you have plans for employment outside of the aviation industry.

It's going to be a while.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/health/p ... index.html

This is worth a read. Lots of good information on where we are headed #newnormal

[Bingo Fuel]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/health/p ... index.html

This is worth a read. Lots of good information on where we are headed #newnormal

But I thought we didn't care if people got sick and died?

And I thought that only the smokers and fatties had to worry about getting sick?

More distractions. No actions. It's like you don't care about getting the unvaccinated back to work at all.

Nah. You only want to argue with people on the internet.

Prove me wrong.

[TG]

Well it’s interesting survey results.

I think a better survey question would be, “do you support mandatory vaccines at your workplace”. Why should I care what 99.9 percent of the population who don’t do my job, think about what health choices should be mandatory for my profession?

Do you think that’s a reasonable way to make medical decisions?

I bet if we survey the general public if we should have cameras recording the pilots in the flight deck in the name of safety to make sure they do their jobs correctly, maybe 70 percent of average joes would say this is a good idea. Does this make it the right thing to do?

If we asked the general public if they think airlines should be forced to reduce emissions by 50 percent in 10 years, do you think an uneducated public opinion may be in favour of this idea?

Do you really think I read into these survey results as if public opinion is the right opinion? 1000 non medical experts with average IQ and zero background in anything to do with covid believe airline employees should be vaccinated for covid or be fired! well woopty doo.

Ah yes! My bold.

A bit of a paradox there:
--->non medical experts with average IQ and zero background in anything to do with covid<---
You just described yourself, myself and everyone in this forum.

Actually no, not you! You must have some kind of far superior IQ and knowledge.

What exactly makes you the expert to decide what is best for you in this situation? (Talking about getting this vaccin or not) What makes you think you must go against recommandations of literally thousands of virologists/Scientific and ultimately politicians who are given cards to make the best decisions possible for their countries?


On a side note, I think that any Anti-Covid Vaccin person at this point in time should be left alone.
If they still cannot figure it out all the benefits, nothing will change their minds besides ending up isolated in ICU with tubes down their throats (Wishing that to nobody)

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Well it’s interesting survey results.

I think a better survey question would be, “do you support mandatory vaccines at your workplace”. Why should I care what 99.9 percent of the population who don’t do my job, think about what health choices should be mandatory for my profession?

Do you think that’s a reasonable way to make medical decisions?

I bet if we survey the general public if we should have cameras recording the pilots in the flight deck in the name of safety to make sure they do their jobs correctly, maybe 70 percent of average joes would say this is a good idea. Does this make it the right thing to do?

If we asked the general public if they think airlines should be forced to reduce emissions by 50 percent in 10 years, do you think an uneducated public opinion may be in favour of this idea?

Do you really think I read into these survey results as if public opinion is the right opinion? 1000 non medical experts with average IQ and zero background in anything to do with covid believe airline employees should be vaccinated for covid or be fired! well woopty doo.

Ah yes! My bold.

A bit of a paradox there:
--->non medical experts with average IQ and zero background in anything to do with covid<---
You just described yourself, myself and everyone in this forum.

Actually no, not you! You must have some kind of far superior IQ and knowledge.

What exactly makes you the expert to decide what is best for you in this situation? (Talking about getting this vaccin or not) What makes you think you must go against recommandations of literally thousands of virologists/Scientific and ultimately politicians who are given cards to make the best decisions possible for their countries?


On a side note, I think that any Anti-Covid Vaccin person at this point in time should be left alone.
If they still cannot figure it out all the benefits, nothing will change their minds besides ending up isolated in ICU with tubes down their throats (Wishing that to nobody)

The difference being, if I have and average IQ, and am not an expert, I don’t believe my opinion should be enforced on other people.

Where in this case, non intellectual average joes are taking a survey on their opinions on what others should have to do, not themselves. Hence I propose the better survey question for average joes is “how do you feel about mandatory vaccines for yourself”

Not really a paradox at all. Non experts should have zero say on policy for people. And their opinions also don’t matter on decisions for other people. This is just like everyone giving their two cents of the rittenhouse trial. What does anyone’s opinion matter, the law should decide. However today we have trials of public opinion all the time. Brigades happen. People will go to social media and brigade restaurant google reviews to try to destroy businesses with “trial by social media”. Funny how you think this is paradox. My decision to get a vaccine or not won’t be swayed by your completely average joe opinions. Of course I’m qualified to decide for myself if I want a medical procedure or not… is that even up to debate?

[Bingo Fuel]

I propose the better survey question for average joes is “how do you feel about mandatory vaccines for yourself”

Cool. How are you going to do it? What public opinion research firm are you going to use for your survey? Ekos, Léger, Ipsos-Reid, or some other firm?

I'm sure you have some way of ensuring you have a representative sample size, too! Can't wait to see the results.

[TG]

Well it’s interesting survey results.

I think a better survey question would be, “do you support mandatory vaccines at your workplace”. Why should I care what 99.9 percent of the population who don’t do my job, think about what health choices should be mandatory for my profession?

Do you think that’s a reasonable way to make medical decisions?

I bet if we survey the general public if we should have cameras recording the pilots in the flight deck in the name of safety to make sure they do their jobs correctly, maybe 70 percent of average joes would say this is a good idea. Does this make it the right thing to do?

If we asked the general public if they think airlines should be forced to reduce emissions by 50 percent in 10 years, do you think an uneducated public opinion may be in favour of this idea?

Do you really think I read into these survey results as if public opinion is the right opinion? 1000 non medical experts with average IQ and zero background in anything to do with covid believe airline employees should be vaccinated for covid or be fired! well woopty doo.

Ah yes! My bold.

A bit of a paradox there:
--->non medical experts with average IQ and zero background in anything to do with covid<---
You just described yourself, myself and everyone in this forum.

Actually no, not you! You must have some kind of far superior IQ and knowledge.

What exactly makes you the expert to decide what is best for you in this situation? (Talking about getting this vaccin or not) What makes you think you must go against recommandations of literally thousands of virologists/Scientific and ultimately politicians who are given cards to make the best decisions possible for their countries?


On a side note, I think that any Anti-Covid Vaccin person at this point in time should be left alone.
If they still cannot figure it out all the benefits, nothing will change their minds besides ending up isolated in ICU with tubes down their throats (Wishing that to nobody)

The difference being, if I have and average IQ, and am not an expert, I don’t believe my opinion should be enforced on other people.

Where in this case, non intellectual average joes are taking a survey on their opinions on what others should have to do, not themselves. Hence I propose the better survey question for average joes is “how do you feel about mandatory vaccines for yourself”

Not really a paradox at all. Non experts should have zero say on policy for people. And their opinions also don’t matter on decisions for other people. This is just like everyone giving their two cents of the rittenhouse trial. What does anyone’s opinion matter, the law should decide. However today we have trials of public opinion all the time. Brigades happen. People will go to social media and brigade restaurant google reviews to try to destroy businesses with “trial by social media”. Funny how you think this is paradox. My decision to get a vaccine or not won’t be swayed by your completely average joe opinions. Of course I’m qualified to decide for myself if I want a medical procedure or not… is that even up to debate?

You didn't answer the question, what makes you qualified to decide for yourself if you want a "medical procedure" or not?
We are talking about vaccination here, It's not an organ transplant where you sit so tired at the end of your life that you want to stop everything.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

You didn't answer the question, what makes you qualified to decide for yourself if you want a "medical procedure" or not?
We are talking about vaccination here, It's not an organ transplant where you sit so tired at the end of your life that you want to stop everything.

Every medical procedure I have had since birth has been either a decision I myself or my parents made. Is it that how it works? The doctor or expert proposes a procedure, tells you the risks of getting the procedure, tells you the consequences of not getting the procedure. They may propose more than one solution or a combination. And then you decide what you want to do.

The only time people don’t decide on medical procedures is when they are unable to make a decision because they can’t communicate it.

So what makes me qualified to decide what I do with my body? Is that really a serious question? .

[Bingo Fuel]

You didn't answer the question, what makes you qualified to decide for yourself if you want a "medical procedure" or not?
We are talking about vaccination here, It's not an organ transplant where you sit so tired at the end of your life that you want to stop everything.

Every medical procedure I have had since birth has been either a decision I myself or my parents made. Is it that how it works? The doctor or expert proposes a procedure, tells you the risks of getting the procedure, tells you the consequences of not getting the procedure. They may propose more than one solution or a combination. And then you decide what you want to do.

The only time people don’t decide on medical procedures is when they are unable to make a decision because they can’t communicate it.

So what makes me qualified to decide what I do with my body? Is that really a serious question? .

So you're on an unpaid leave of absence?

[pecessix]

On a side note, I think that any Anti-Covid Vaccin person at this point in time should be left alone.

One day the big jerk was called an asshole. A lot has been written about assholes. But assholes are a breed apart. More hostile, more savage, the asshole rears up as soon as he feels the reins of the good life together tightening on him. The asshole is really an asshole, and we would prefer not to cross his path. Problem: the asshole grows everywhere and has no feather on his head to identify him. This is unfortunate, because hunting assholes is not forbidden, so we could have gotten rid of them, rather than just trying to protect ourselves.
So what to do? Fortunately, science is making progress.

[imjustlurking]

You didn't answer the question, what makes you qualified to decide for yourself if you want a "medical procedure" or not?
We are talking about vaccination here, It's not an organ transplant where you sit so tired at the end of your life that you want to stop everything.

Every medical procedure I have had since birth has been either a decision I myself or my parents made. Is it that how it works? The doctor or expert proposes a procedure, tells you the risks of getting the procedure, tells you the consequences of not getting the procedure. They may propose more than one solution or a combination. And then you decide what you want to do.

The only time people don’t decide on medical procedures is when they are unable to make a decision because they can’t communicate it.

So what makes me qualified to decide what I do with my body? Is that really a serious question? .

Considering you don't know the difference between Austria and Australia, I wouldn't trust you to make an appropriate medical decision (let alone any decision as an employee in the aviation industry).

[CYERCaptainPooping]

How’s it going being a call centre employee! Good job!

[imjustlurking]

How’s it going being a call centre employee! Good job!

It's a nice bit of extra income now that I'm back to flying. You're right, it was a good job and continues to be a good side gig.

I'm not sure why you think it's going to upset me to bring up my COVID job. I love my life and appreciate the opportunities I am given.