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rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:09 am Who did he swear an oath to serve and defend when he took office?
The constitution. Haven't seen him break any rules yet. I suppose one could take him to court if they felt he was doing something unconstitutional.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."
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rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:30 am No where did i say “MAN MADE” —climate change — Cause it DOESN’T MATTER what the cause is at the end of the day![/b]
Now that is an interesting statement. Are you suggesting that we should do something to prevent natural climate change. I suppose the argument could be made, after all, we would like to prevent meteorites from causing a disaster.

Huge changes have happened because of natural climate change. Perhaps the ideas of reducing the suns rays affecting the earth would be a valid idea instead of what is now said to be a 50 trillion dollar expenditure for our carbon reducing adventures.

There is another line of thinking on this.....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen ... 4fa2be793b

It might just be better than destroying economies for a fallacy.

And certainly is no reason to support the Build Back Better bill. Congrats to Joe Manchin.
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pelmet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:39 am
rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:30 am No where did i say “MAN MADE” —climate change — Cause it DOESN’T MATTER what the cause is at the end of the day![/b]
Now that is an interesting statement. Are you suggesting that we should do something to prevent natural climate change. I suppose the argument could be made, after all, we would like to prevent meteorites from causing a disaster.

Huge changes have happened because of natural climate change. Perhaps the ideas of reducing the suns rays affecting the earth would be a valid idea instead of what is now said to be a 50 trillion dollar expenditure for our carbon reducing adventures.

There is another line of thinking on this.....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen ... 4fa2be793b

It might just be better than destroying economies for a fallacy.

And certainly is no reason to support the Build Back Better bill. Congrats to Joe Manchin.
I am SAYING its a gigantic issue that will get worse in all likelihood, and governments must act in various ways. None will be easy, simple, or painless.

Please stop trying to add to what i am saying. There are no easy simplistic answers.

We are going to see more Lytton’s, more Abbotsford’s, more fires, floods, power outages, food shortages, droughts.

I don’t believe its all likely to just go away.
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rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:44 am I am SAYING its a gigantic issue that will get worse in all likelihood, and governments must act in various ways. None will be easy, simple, or painless.
I might be willing to go along if.......it is realistic. The Bill Gates idea is interesting. Maybe the government should get Elon Musk involved, even if it is for a method to such carbon out of the atmosphere. Maybe if he sells all his Tesla shares, he could focus on a new venture and really save the world.

I don't expect Bernie and AOC's ideas to save us.
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rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:44 am We are going to see more Lytton’s, more Abbotsford’s, more fires, floods, power outages, food shortages, droughts.

I don’t believe its all likely to just go away.
People seem to panic at the latest news without looking at the big picture. Why are there more fires they say. Oh, it must be global warming. They don't think to analyze if there might be other reasons.

This article is three years old now but explains a lot of factors. I highlighted some interesting parts.

"Climate change not seen increasing wildfires, study shows
Global burned area dropped by about 25 percent over the previous 18 years, study shows

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... sfEALw_wcB

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Monday, July 30, 2018
Scenes of Californians fleeing their homes and Greeks swimming out to sea have fueled alarm about climate change fueling deadly wildfires, but recent studies show that such destructive blazes are on the decline worldwide.

A September 2017 report in the journal Science found that global burned area dropped by about 25 percent over the previous 18 years, a finding consistent with a May 2016 paper published by the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences.

“[G]lobal area burned appears to have overall declined over past decades, and there is increasing evidence that there is less fire in the global landscape today than centuries ago,” said the study by British researchers at Swansea University.

Even in California, which for years has wrestled with fire devastation, a study in the International Journal of Wildland Fire found that the number of wildfires burning more than 300 acres per year has been tailing off since a peak in 1980.

“The claim commonly made in research papers and the media that fire activity is increasing throughout the western USA is certainly an over-statement,” the authors, Jon E. Keeley and Alexandra D. Syphard, said in The Orange County Register.

Mr. Keeley is a scientist with the U.S. Geological Survey, and Ms. Syphard is with the Conservation Biology Institute.

Such findings appear to fly in the face of widespread reports that human-caused global warming is increasing the severity and frequency of wildfires by fueling drought and higher temperatures.

“Extreme heat and wildfires made worse by climate change, say scientists,” an Associated Press article proclaimed this week on NBC News.

“We now have very strong evidence that global warming has already put a thumb on the scales, upping the odds of extremes like severe heat and heavy rainfall,” Stanford University climate scientist Noah Diffenbaugh told the AP.


Yale Environment 360 declared in an Oct. 2 article, “Stark Evidence: A Warmer World Is Sparking More and Bigger Wildfires,” and concluded that “the fires being seen today … are man-made, or at least man-worsened.”

This year’s U.S. wildfire season was forecast to be worse than average, and so far it has kept with predictions, with 98 wildfires blackening 4.6 million acres as of Monday, more than the 10-year average of 3.7 million acres, according to the National Interagency Fire Center.

California has been hit hardest, but firefighters made progress Monday. They lifted some evacuation orders on the Carr fire in Shasta County about 150 miles north of Sacramento, the deadliest and most destructive of the blazes, and reached 30 percent containment on the Ferguson fire near Yosemite National Park.

Six people have been killed so far in the California wildfires, including two firefighters, a great-grandmother and two of her great-grandchildren. About 410,000 acres have burned across the state amid unpredictable winds and high temperatures.

The death toll in Greece rose to 91 on Sunday as wildfires swept through seaside communities, at one point sending dozens of people out to sea to escape the flames engulfing the resort town of Mati, as shown on a dramatic video.


California Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat, cited global warming last week as a factor in his proposal to reduce the legal liability of Pacific Gas & Electric Co., the utility company whose equipment was found to have sparked 15 of the state’s 2017 wildfires.

Mr. Brown and legislative leaders announced amended legislation July 2 to heighten California’s wildfire response, saying the effort “will help prepare the state to deal with the increasingly extreme weather and natural disasters caused by climate change.”

In a May report, “Indicators of Climate Change in California,” state Environmental Protection Agency Secretary Matthew Rodriguez said extreme weather events like wildfires are “not isolated incidents.”

“They are suggestive of the significant and increasingly discernible impacts of climate change in California,” Mr. Rodriguez said. “The most dramatic impacts include wildfires that are larger and more frequent, and the most severe drought since recordkeeping began.”

Others have argued that news coverage of fire disasters has contributed to the perception that wildfires driven by increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are raging out of control, despite evidence to the contrary.

“[M]any consider wildfire an accelerating problem, with widely held perceptions both in the media and scientific papers of increasing fire occurrence, severity and resulting losses,” said the Royal Society paper. “However, important exceptions aside, the quantitative evidence available does not support these perceived trends.”

In the Western United States, the study found that the limited data on fire severity “indicate little change overall, and also that area burned at high severity has overall declined compared to pre-European settlement.”


What’s responsible for the drop-off? The Science article pointed to an expansion of agriculture production in savannas and grasslands, resulting in a roughly 25 percent decrease in global burned area “despite the influence of climate.”

The discrepancy was not lost on climate skeptics such as Australia’s JoNova, who concluded Monday, “Global warming means a global fall in wildfires.”

Anthony Watts, who runs the Watts Up With That website, added: “Remember when we were told that wildfires would increase due to global warming? Never mind.”

University of Washington atmospheric sciences professor Clifford Mass said a host of factors may have contributed to this year’s California wildfires, including a modest temperature increase over the past several decades.

Add to that the drought, an increase of non-native invasive species, a huge influx of homeowners in fire-prone areas and aggressive fire suppression in the first half of the 20th century that left some forests overgrown and ripe for ignition.

“So there is a lot of talk of climate change ‘supercharging’ fires, but really no proof of it,” Mr. Mass said in an email. “And some fires are clearly NOT associated with climate change, like the wine country fires of last October.”

His conclusion? “I suspect climate change is a minor element in the CA wildfires, while fire suppression and human population growth into the wildlands are the dominant elements.”
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Every time there is a big fire, the fake news and the fake politicians say "Climate Change, Climate Change....we have to kill aviation, our oil industry and raise your taxes."

A good example is the massive Kincade Fire in California a couple of years ago. It was caused by sparks from electrical wires blown over due to high winds, yet the usual crowd calls for more action.
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The number one judge and jury: Worldwide Food Prices.
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rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:54 am The number one judge and jury: Worldwide Food Prices.
Ok....thought I might look into it. Of course, weather has always had a significant effect on food. This article did the usual climate change narrative but you get to see some of the larger reasons. Fuel prices rising........and guess what....they are rising because of climate change policies. Then there is frost in Brazil affecting sugar prices.....I know.....its getting colder because it is getting warmer(that is why they had to change the name from global warming to climate change). So climate change policies are a big part of the reason for food inflation along with energy inflation.

https://theconversation.com/why-global- ... ory-168210

"No single commodity has been continually responsible for the average real price increase from 2000. But the price index of edible oil crops has grown significantly since March 2020, driven mainly by the price of vegetable oils shooting up by 16.9% between 2019 and 2020. According to FAO crop reports, this was due to the growing demand for biodiesel and unsupportive weather patterns.

The other food category adding most to the overall food price rise is sugar. Here, again, unfavourable weather, including frost damage in Brazil, has reduced supply and inflated prices.

Cereals have added less to overall price increases, but their accessibility worldwide is particularly important for food security. Wheat, barley, maize, sorghum and rice account for at least 50% of global nutrition, and as much as 80% in the poorest countries. Global buffer stocks of these crops have been shrinking since 2017, as demand has outstripped supply. Running down stores has helped stabilise global markets, but prices have increased sharply from 2019.

Again, the reasons for individual fluctuations are complicated. But something that deserves attention is the number of times since the year 2000 “unpredictable” and “unfavourable weather” has been reported by the FAO to have caused “reduced harvest expectations”, “weather-stricken harvests” and “production decrease”.

Europeans might worry about the price of pasta as Canadian droughts slash wheat harvests. But, as the real price index for cereals creeps towards levels that escalated riots over the price of bread into general uprisings in 2011, there is an urgent need to consider how communities in less affluent regions can weather these stresses and avoid unrest.

Our technological capacity and socioeconomic organisation cannot successfully manage unpredictable and unfavourable weather. Now would be a good time to imagine food supply in a world warmer by more than 2°C – an outcome now considered increasingly likely according to the most recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report.

Without radical changes, climate breakdown will continue to reduce international access to imported food, well beyond any historical precedent. Higher prices will reduce food security, and if there is one solid law of social science, it’s that hungry people take radical steps to secure their livelihoods – especially where leaders are perceived to have failed.




Folks, the reality is that the climate gets warmer and colder. It is not going to stay the same for long. If you want to see what it is like when the climate gets colder, look at the link below. Then you will be glad that if the climate has to move in a particular direction, it is slowly warmer.

https://www.eh-resources.org/little-ice-age/

"During the height of the Little Ice Age , it was in general about one degree Celsius colder than at present. The Baltic Sea froze over, as did most of the rivers in Europe. Winters were bitterly cold and prolonged, reducing the growing season by several weeks. These conditions led to widespread crop failure, famine, and in some regions population decline.

Winters were bitterly cold and summers were often cool and wet. These conditions led to widespread crop failure, famine, and population decline. The tree line and snowline dropped and glaciers advanced, overrunning towns and farms in the process. There were increased levels of social unrest as large portions of the population were reduced to starvation and poverty."
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I believe the ending of the BBB bill by Senator Manchin is good news for the Canadian economy as well in terms of our looming trade war over cars.

How ironic that our climate change government was counting on Joe Manchin to kill the climate change bill.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-ma ... -1.6246191
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It astounds me that professional bus drivers with attached wings become instant experts on every issue on the planet.
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rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:03 pm It astounds me that professional bus drivers with attached wings become instant experts on every issue on the planet.
A good read for how this tendency came to be:

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The tax on vehicle gas the government takes will decrease due to a decrease in consumption. Gas taxes will go up up up…though it will be spun to appear like its saving the environment by discouraging use.

And there will be, in the not to distant future when they get critical mass on EV’s a government tax on either mileage and/or electric consumption.
Couple that with the reality that this electricity, or the major part of it, will be produced using carbon based fuels.

The extremists that are controlling our government from the inside, are very clever in deflecting the responsibility away from the govt. require that 50% of cars produced be EV in the next few years. But ignore where the electricity is going to produced…
Or that Canada is not California. Cold and long distances are not an EVs friend.


Yep, I think Rookie got it right this time, but time will tell. The effects of inflation are not instantaneous.

Btw. Photo. It must be an exclusive group that you subscribe to, 100% accuracy, 100% of the time. Leaves a lot of very credible people out, I think.
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rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:03 pm It astounds me that professional bus drivers with attached wings become instant experts on every issue on the planet.
As compared to the 'expert investors' who must know more about the planet because they are.....'expert investors'. :roll:
rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:04 am America is a country with crumbling roads, third world airports, water pipes full of lead, schools that you’d think belonged in Haiti....
Perhaps that is what the recently passed bipartisan infrastructure bill is designed for, as opposed to the other one that is a long list of left wing spending ideas(perhaps with even one or two good ones) masquerading as an infrastructure bill.
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pelmet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:16 pm
rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:03 pm It astounds me that professional bus drivers with attached wings become instant experts on every issue on the planet.
As compared to the 'expert investors' who must know more about the planet because they are.....'expert investors'. :roll:
Correct. Know your place. Oh, and learn to read, too.
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rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:31 pm
pelmet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:16 pm
rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:03 pm It astounds me that professional bus drivers with attached wings become instant experts on every issue on the planet.
As compared to the 'expert investors' who must know more about the planet because they are.....'expert investors'. :roll:
Correct. Know your place. Oh, and learn to read, too.
Kind of arrogant but thanks, I know my place compared to the 'expert investor'. Remind how those Tesla shorts worked out again.... :lol:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/tes ... ort-shorts

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/127 ... ort-shorts
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pelmet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:41 pm
rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:31 pm
pelmet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:16 pm

As compared to the 'expert investors' who must know more about the planet because they are.....'expert investors'. :roll:
Correct. Know your place. Oh, and learn to read, too.
Kind of arrogant but thanks, I know my place compared to the 'expert investor'. Remind how those Tesla shorts worked out again.... :lol:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/tes ... ort-shorts

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/127 ... ort-shorts
You just don’t know when to quit digging.
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Now I suspect that you are invested in some stocks in companies that would have benefited from more EV stuff in the now dead bill. My oil dividends are still coming in strong.
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pelmet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:47 pm Now I suspect that you are invested in some stocks in companies that would have benefited from more EV stuff in the now dead bill. My oil dividends are still coming in strong.
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rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:03 pm It astounds me that professional bus drivers with attached wings become instant experts on every issue on the planet.
Almost as bad as a failed stock trader dork thinking he has the faintest clue what it takes to be a professional pilot. Hit us with another vague, open-ended prediction, Nostradamus!
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rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:04 am Maybe when New York City floods, all rail tunnels collapse, people are cut off, power grids buckle......
You can read this link to see how California has not only extremely high energy prices, but blackouts due to their energy policies to 'save the world'.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshe ... 7308431591
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just clearing the trees wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:51 pm
rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:03 pm It astounds me that professional bus drivers with attached wings become instant experts on every issue on the planet.
Almost as bad as a failed stock trader dork thinking he has the faintest clue what it takes to be a professional pilot. Hit us with another vague, open-ended prediction, Nostradamus!
Don’t get triggered.
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I've been in the material handling electric vehicle/drive system game since the mid 90's. To the layman, that's forklifts, scissor lifts, boom lifts, etc. I've got a better understanding of where things are at than most. Here's a few conclusions that I've come to.

1. The electric motor and control technology required to operate a road vehicle or a light aircraft is already here. It has been for a while. The battery technology is pretty much here too. The reality is that it's still WAY to cost prohibitive to go full main stream. Improvement is still needed in that department.

2. There's absolutely no use in pointing out that building electric vehicles isn't anymore environmentally friendly than building an IC car. It's also useless to point out that the electrical infrastructure in North America can't handle the increased load to charge all these vehicles at night. It will be upgraded with time and money. Expect to see much larger increases in your power bill to cover it in the decades to come. Governments will also dump huge amounts of borrowed money into it. The wheels are in motion to move to EV, and a lot of billionaires and politicians have a big chunk of money invested in it. They will push this as hard as it needs to be pushed to make it happen through increased taxes on fossil fuels. There's trillions of dollars to be made in the coming market, and the smart person will get their investment portfolios aligned to take advantage of it.

3. This is a spin off of point number 2, but still different. There is absolutely no use in pointing out that electricity doesn't magically appear inside a wall. It has to be generated. A thinking person knows that there aren't enough solar panels and wind mills on the planet to power 10% of the EV's if the entire population switched over tomorrow. The vast majority is coming from hydro electric, coal, gas, and nuclear. That makes NO difference in the mind of 95% of the people out there. The main stream 'everything' is telling them that electric is the way to go because it's cleaner. They will follow along, and even fight for that notion even if it causes them hardship. The herd mentality is a powerful thing, and politicians are very good at making people think what they want them to think.

4. A great number of people are going to stop driving, and either work from home or take public transit to work. Many won't. The ones who are squeezed out due to cost vs income factors won't like it, but they won't have any choice. With me, it's kind of hard to drag 2000lbs of tools onto a bus everyday and spend 2 hours getting to a jobsite that changes multiple times a day. Bringing a piece of equipment to me isn't more advantageous, so I'll still be driving until I retire. Fortunately for me, I drive somebody else's vehicle, with somebody else's fuel/maintenance/insurance bill. What the governments are going to do is gradually increase costs to drive the lower class out of the driving market all together. They don't care if this causes hardship. They care that their future investments pay off. I have no doubt that some politicians are pushing it based on environmental concerns. I will be my lunch money that the vast majority of them are pushing it because their money is already invested on the bottom floor.

What does the future hold for GA ? Eventually, costs will be so high that only the élite will be able to play with bigger toys. Light aircraft that the majority of us will be able to afford will become smaller and lighter, with lower range to accommodate having to carry batteries. Your Bonanza, Cessna, and most of the conventional, commercially built aircraft will be too heavy to upgrade. I'm not a spring chicken, but I think within my lifetime, I'll see the vast majority of us start getting into slower, single or dual seat, ultralight, electric driven aircraft. Like I said before...the technology is already here for short range stuff. The costs just have to come down in order for it to go forward full bore. A more accurate way to say it might be this. The costs of flying as we know it today will gradually rise to the point where it will be cheaper for the average GA pilot to go electric over gas. I suspect the future of smaller airfields isn't good. Personally, I've got a friend with a farm, and I'll probably make a deal with him to cut a swath out of his hayfield in exchange for some cash compensation, or the opportunity to get into flying with my ultralight "whatever" that I can either keep there or fold up into a covered trailer and take home with me. I haven't worked out those finer details yet.
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Lol.. anyone can be a pylot. This is one profession you can Google your way through.

The only thing that keeps it exclusive is the cost and the type of masochist you have to be to do it for a living.
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rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:49 pm
pelmet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:47 pm Now I suspect that you are invested in some stocks in companies that would have benefited from more EV stuff in the now dead bill. My oil dividends are still coming in strong.
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Both those investment directions continue as the EV technology shows its usefulness in stretching fossil fuel energy to maximum in internal combustion (IC Engine) vehicles (electric is a success in power management in newer gas drivetrains ). Makes the fossil fuel go farther, value added (hurray Alberta we’ll pay more caus we need so much less).

Do we forget that our gas cars were part electric all along? (i.e. wouldn’t run without electric current) And most Volks are unsure what all the appliances consume (elec water heater was also a big one) let alone how larger all-electric EV has potential to drain and make life less reliable/more costly as an only car.

The cold provinces need the bleed coolant (mostly waste heat after ten minutes) from internal combustion to warm vehicle interior efficiently / cheapest. Waste with electric would be line-loss and ‘in and out of a battery’ (savings are from no-ICE/ICE-off and negligeable-to-nil brake-rotor heating losses)
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‘Bob’ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:38 pm Lol.. anyone can be a pylot. This is one profession you can Google your way through.
Lol, well not everyone can be a very good one. You'll be able to spot the sh!tty ones though. They're usually the ones making silly claims like, "It's so easy you can Google how to do it!"
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