Quebec to allow covid positive health care workers to continue working

[Vaticinator]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/coronavir ... -1.6299094

So, an unvaccinated nurse can't even have a career any more regardless of infection status, but a covid positive nurse can still work because they're short health care workers. I wonder how that happened. Looks like Quebec has gone full retard and are reaping what they've sown.

I'm going to need someone capable of advanced level mental gymnastics to rationalize this one for me.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Just another one to add to my list of completely unscientific pandemic policy .

In some states (I think I heard NY) is calling back unvaccinated Nurses. Funny how they were to dirty to work when cases were low, but now that it’s busy, they are short staffed and Covid is spreading rampantly all of a sudden welcome back! Did they learn that being vaccinated offers no protection to the patients?

At this point why don’t they stop testing, say go back to life as normal. We would have the same results.

[Hot Wings]

Did they learn that being vaccinated offers no protection to the patients?

That is false, but I think you already know this. Embellishment doesn’t doesn’t help your arguments, but rather makes you look like a prick.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Did they learn that being vaccinated offers no protection to the patients?

That is false, but I think you already know this. Embellishment doesn’t doesn’t help your arguments, but rather makes you look like a prick.

With all the spread currently happening, and our high vaccination rate. It seems to be statically insignificant if it is offering some protection. It's pretty clear most of the spread today is among vaccinated people. Even on a per population basis we are seeing days where more vaccinated people tested positive than non vax.

Do you have the stat. How much does being vaccinated reduce transmission if you get covid and are vaccinated.

[Inverted2]

Did they learn that being vaccinated offers no protection to the patients?

That is false, but I think you already know this. Embellishment doesn’t doesn’t help your arguments, but rather makes you look like a prick.

With all the spread currently happening, and our high vaccination rate. It seems to be statically insignificant if it is offering some protection. It's pretty clear most of the spread today is among vaccinated people. Even on a per population basis we are seeing days where more vaccinated people tested positive than non vax.

Do you have the stat. How much does being vaccinated reduce transmission if you get covid and are vaccinated.

Ontario isn’t reporting how many vaxed/unvaxed cases anymore. It’s pretty much negligible now anyway. The vaxed are likely a higher percentage since the filthy unwashed aren’t allowed to fly, eat in restaurants, sports events, etc.

[Vaticinator]

Do you have the stat. How much does being vaccinated reduce transmission if you get covid and are vaccinated.

I've seen varying numbers, 70% being the high end. Notably, that was before omicron. Saw a stat today out of Ontario that vaccine effectiveness against omicron is at 15%. Haven't yet dug any deeper on that to confirm.

[pelmet]

Do you have the stat. How much does being vaccinated reduce transmission if you get covid and are vaccinated.

I've seen varying numbers, 70% being the high end. Notably, that was before omicron. Saw a stat today out of Ontario that vaccine effectiveness against omicron is at 15%. Haven't yet dug any deeper on that to confirm.

15% against getting infected is correct but near 100% to avoid the hospital. In other words, like the flu shot. You may get the flu but it lessens the lilkelyhood of a hospital stay.

And that is what is important.

[Vaticinator]

15% against getting infected is correct but near 100% to avoid the hospital. In other words, like the flu shot. You may get the flu but it lessens the lilkelyhood of a hospital stay.

And that is what is important.

Can you back that up with data? The stats on the Health Canada website seem to disagree with your "near 100%" assertion, at least, given my personal definition of "near 100%."

[Inverted2]

I know of 2 people with the omicron, 1 vaxed and 1 not. Both have fairly mild symptoms. They’re saying to keep getting booster shots to save face but they know it doesn’t work. It’s likely going to come out sooner or later these endless vaccines will do more harm to your immune system than good.

[photofly]

Sir John Bell, regius professor of medicine at Oxford University and the government’s life sciences adviser, said that although hospital admissions had increased in recent weeks as Omicron spreads through the population, the disease “appears to be less severe and many people spend a relatively short time in hospital”. Fewer patients were needing high-flow oxygen and the average length of stay was down to three days, he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... -scientist

It’s likely going to come out sooner or later these endless vaccines...

I find your use of the "endless vaccines" meme quite noteworthy. As far as I know, you're the only person to claim that vaccines are "endless" and that is entirely so you can disparage them.

will do more harm to your immune system than good.

Pure fantasy on your part.

[rookiepilot]

Do you have the stat. How much does being vaccinated reduce transmission if you get covid and are vaccinated.

I've seen varying numbers, 70% being the high end. Notably, that was before omicron. Saw a stat today out of Ontario that vaccine effectiveness against omicron is at 15%. Haven't yet dug any deeper on that to confirm.

15% against getting infected is correct but near 100% to avoid the hospital. In other words, like the flu shot. You may get the flu but it lessens the lilkelyhood of a hospital stay.

And that is what is important.

Is there anything you aren't an expert on?

Curious.

[Inverted2]

Sir John Bell, regius professor of medicine at Oxford University and the government’s life sciences adviser, said that although hospital admissions had increased in recent weeks as Omicron spreads through the population, the disease “appears to be less severe and many people spend a relatively short time in hospital”. Fewer patients were needing high-flow oxygen and the average length of stay was down to three days, he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... -scientist

It’s likely going to come out sooner or later these endless vaccines...

I find your use of the "endless vaccines" meme quite noteworthy. As far as I know, you're the only person to claim that vaccines are "endless" and that is entirely so you can disparage them.

will do more harm to your immune system than good.

Pure fantasy on your part.

Israel is already on shot #4 in less than a year into the vaccines. I don’t see them slowing down anytime soon. Too much $$$ in play.

[photofly]

Are you this upset about "endless" flu vaccines? Are they all about the $$$, too?

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Do you have the stat. How much does being vaccinated reduce transmission if you get covid and are vaccinated.

I've seen varying numbers, 70% being the high end. Notably, that was before omicron. Saw a stat today out of Ontario that vaccine effectiveness against omicron is at 15%. Haven't yet dug any deeper on that to confirm.

15% against getting infected is correct but near 100% to avoid the hospital. In other words, like the flu shot. You may get the flu but it lessens the lilkelyhood of a hospital stay.

And that is what is important.

That was not my question. My question was how effective is the vaccine at preventing transmission from a vaccinated person. Not how effective is the vaccine at preventing infection from the individual who takes the vaccines. If I am vaccinated and test positive for Covid, how effective is the vaccine at preventing me from spreading it. Is this different than if I’m not vaccinated and Covid positive. This is why I’m asking if it makes sense to allow Covid positive HCWs to keep working. Is the policy science based?

[Vaticinator]

Science based? Doubtful. Common sense? Certainly not. Would even the most hard core pro vax mandate person prefer to have a vaccinated, but covid positive nurse tend to them, or an unvaccinated, covid negative one? If we weren't already there, we've officially entered the realm of the absurd.

[Inverted2]

Are you this upset about "endless" flu vaccines? Are they all about the $$$, too?

Not at all. Those are once a year and are not practically forced like this one is. I don’t mind annual vaccines but this is ridiculous doing them every 3 months.

[Littlefish]

Are you this upset about "endless" flu vaccines? Are they all about the $$$, too?

Not at all. Those are once a year and are not practically forced like this one is. I don’t mind annual vaccines but this is ridiculous doing them every 3 months.

Yeah it's a pain in the ass, but I'd rather take it and not die from what is now an avoidable death if the option's there.

[Inverted2]

Buddy, your chance of dying is higher from driving to get the vaccine or the vaccine itself than the cold-vid.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

I've seen varying numbers, 70% being the high end. Notably, that was before omicron. Saw a stat today out of Ontario that vaccine effectiveness against omicron is at 15%. Haven't yet dug any deeper on that to confirm.

15% against getting infected is correct but near 100% to avoid the hospital. In other words, like the flu shot. You may get the flu but it lessens the lilkelyhood of a hospital stay.

And that is what is important.

That was not my question. My question was how effective is the vaccine at preventing transmission from a vaccinated person. Not how effective is the vaccine at preventing infection from the individual who takes the vaccines. If I am vaccinated and test positive for Covid, how effective is the vaccine at preventing me from spreading it. Is this different than if I’m not vaccinated and Covid positive. This is why I’m asking if it makes sense to allow Covid positive HCWs to keep working. Is the policy science based?

Lol,

But that decision is made for you already. The government has made it clear they would rather give you a vaccinated Covid positive nurse than a Covid negative non vaccinated. Kind of incredible! That non vax nurse is to dangerous! Give em the one with Covid!

[Littlefish]

Buddy, your chance of dying is higher from driving to get the vaccine or the vaccine itself than the cold-vid.

Yeah, cause I'm vaccinated.. That's the point.

[pelmet]

I've seen varying numbers, 70% being the high end. Notably, that was before omicron. Saw a stat today out of Ontario that vaccine effectiveness against omicron is at 15%. Haven't yet dug any deeper on that to confirm.

15% against getting infected is correct but near 100% to avoid the hospital. In other words, like the flu shot. You may get the flu but it lessens the lilkelyhood of a hospital stay.

And that is what is important.

Is there anything you aren't an expert on?

Curious.

This was Dr. Juni, Scientific Director of the Ontario COVID-19 Science Advisory Table, said on TV, so just passing it on. I would hope that you feel it is a useful thing to do as you have mentioned the importance of hospitals not being backed up. I like helping you and others out.

[pelmet]

I've seen varying numbers, 70% being the high end. Notably, that was before omicron. Saw a stat today out of Ontario that vaccine effectiveness against omicron is at 15%. Haven't yet dug any deeper on that to confirm.

15% against getting infected is correct but near 100% to avoid the hospital. In other words, like the flu shot. You may get the flu but it lessens the lilkelyhood of a hospital stay.

And that is what is important.

That was not my question. My question was how effective is the vaccine at preventing transmission from a vaccinated person. Not how effective is the vaccine at preventing infection from the individual who takes the vaccines. If I am vaccinated and test positive for Covid, how effective is the vaccine at preventing me from spreading it. Is this different than if I’m not vaccinated and Covid positive. This is why I’m asking if it makes sense to allow Covid positive HCWs to keep working. Is the policy science based?

The important thing is keeping people out of hospitals. I believe the flu vaccine, which has been widely accepted for years is similar. You may get the flu, but it will be less harmful.

So far, we have avoided the hospital overflows in Ontario, Quebec, and BC, unlike what we saw in Alberta and Saskatchewan along with the associated lockdowns. I’m happy with that.

[RoAF-Mig21]

I can't comment on the details, because I don't know enough about it.

It does, however, seem that we're changing rules "as we go", not only based on actual scientific data and knowledge that we acquire as we learn more about the virus and its variants (valid reasons), but to also accommodate the failure of our political and medical systems.

When you get a PPC, there are standards. If you perform below that standard, you fail... When our government(s) fail(s) they just move the bar to accommodate that failure. Wouldn't be nice if we did that with our PPCs? I mean why stress that you can't do a V1 cut? We'll just do it till you get it right... At least on paper it looks good.

[JasonE]

Ontario is still reporting both vax'd/unvax'd numbers. I don't think it matters what side of the fence you are on, it's just scary the rate of spread. Hopefully it's all this new variant that is significantly milder.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

Dec 31st, 2021
Unvaccinated Rate Per 100,000: 59.75
Unvaccinated Cases: 2278

Fully vaccinated Rate Per 100,000: 79.76
Fully vaccinated Cases: 13436

Partially vaccinated Rate Per 100,000: 63.77
Partially vaccinated Cases: 647

[imjustlurking]

Ontario is still reporting both vax'd/unvax'd numbers. I don't think it matters what side of the fence you are on, it's just scary the rate of spread. Hopefully it's all this new variant that is significantly milder.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

Dec 31st, 2021
Unvaccinated Rate Per 100,000: 59.75
Unvaccinated Cases: 2278

Fully vaccinated Rate Per 100,000: 79.76
Fully vaccinated Cases: 13436

Partially vaccinated Rate Per 100,000: 63.77
Partially vaccinated Cases: 647

Again, vaccines do not prevent one from getting sick, so these numbers are interesting at best and irrelevant at worst.

The key numbers are ICU cases where people are intubated (as someone being hospitalized as a precaution due to symptoms not requiring intervention is, again, irrelevant).

Ontario:
ICU Patients with positive COVID19 Test
Fully vaccinated: 47
Partially vaccinated: 7
Unvaccinated: 89


Number of people
Fully vaccinated: 11,410,550
Partially vaccinated: 798,186
Unvaccinated: 2,581,042


Rate per 100,000
Fully vaccinated: 0.412
Partially vaccinated: 0.877
Unvaccinated: 3.45