Best guess when hiring will happen

[a2btrail]

I still don’t believe the company can afford to wait too long for hiring. I looked at the spring and summer schedule and the express flying is back to almost pre covid level. The latest bid showed a lot of vacancies. They need to move, regardless of AC attrition.

The latest Jazz equipment bid showed zero unfilled vacancies.

The January Jazz equipment bid has been officially cancelled.

Jazz training system running at 100% capacity for the next 9 months.

No Jazz hiring can be accommodated until Fall 2022.

Prediction: AC will commence hiring Fall 2022, but it will be at a much reduced pace compared to pre-COVID era hiring. Majority of vacancies will be filled by Jazz candidates. Jazz may backfill vacancies internally (left seat). Jazz will evaluate need for hiring based on reduced winter schedule and if there is a need to immediately replace right seat vacancies. With a 48 month type freeze for new-hires (except upgrade), Jazz might have to waive the freeze to allow internal right seat movement, or hire OTS.

I concur.

[the-minister31]

The latest Jazz equipment bid showed zero unfilled vacancies.

The January Jazz equipment bid has been officially cancelled.

Jazz training system running at 100% capacity for the next 9 months.

No Jazz hiring can be accommodated until Fall 2022.

Prediction: AC will commence hiring Fall 2022, but it will be at a much reduced pace compared to pre-COVID era hiring. Majority of vacancies will be filled by Jazz candidates. Jazz may backfill vacancies internally (left seat). Jazz will evaluate need for hiring based on reduced winter schedule and if there is a need to immediately replace right seat vacancies. With a 48 month type freeze for new-hires (except upgrade), Jazz might have to waive the freeze to allow internal right seat movement, or hire OTS.

Do you think everyone will be back before the summer or some will sit until september/october? Do you think they will prioritize to train everyone on DSC first or seniority will prevail?

[rudder]

Do you think everyone will be back before the summer or some will sit until september/october? Do you think they will prioritize to train everyone on DSC first or seniority will prevail?

Training dates (month of training) were all included in the Final Bid Award.

If you are at Jazz, the answer to your questions is in the bid result. JAZ ALPA granted a let to allow the company to train pilots awarded vacancies out of seniority (if they are already current on a non-retired fleet type).

Nobody is getting the summer off with pay.

[rob-air]

no one will get the summer off, assuming the embraer initial is ready by then.

edit: just saw previous posts saying it's approved, the sim is not.

[rudder]

no one will get the summer off, assuming the embraer initial is ready by then.

edit: just saw previous posts saying it's approved, the sim is not.

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There is a scheduled conversion for the AC/CAE E190 simulator later in 2022 but that does not preclude E175 initials and recurrent training using that device.

[the-minister31]

no one will get the summer off, assuming the embraer initial is ready by then.

edit: just saw previous posts saying it's approved, the sim is not.

Do you know why?

[rob-air]

the rumor has it that the sim will need to be converted to a 175 and set up with the software thats currently in the plane before initials.

[rudder]

the rumor has it that the sim will need to be converted to a 175 and set up with the software thats currently in the plane before initials.

Pretty well every former SKV pilot did their initial on that sim and TC did not seem to have any issues.

I do understand that there is an FMS software upgrade that will be required and is planned at some point during 2022.

[rob-air]

I know I am one, but seems like tc has an issue with it now.
Keep in mind thats only a rumor. Going to the sim next week will try to investigate on the matter.

[theflyinghotdog]

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[rudder]

Side note when SKV pilots did there initial they did a PPC on the 190 then did an online conversion course so technically they had a 190/175 type rating. Transport only issued 175 PPC stickers but they would issue 190 stickers if asked. I know of guys who got them to head over seas.

Unless I am mistaken, there is only one TC type endorsement for all E types - E170.

I believe FAA type rating shows as ERJ-170/ERJ-190 and covers all derivatives.

[RegionalPilot]

I still don’t believe the company can afford to wait too long for hiring. I looked at the spring and summer schedule and the express flying is back to almost pre covid level. The latest bid showed a lot of vacancies. They need to move, regardless of AC attrition.

The latest Jazz equipment bid showed zero unfilled vacancies.

The January Jazz equipment bid has been officially cancelled.

Jazz training system running at 100% capacity for the next 9 months.

No Jazz hiring can be accommodated until Fall 2022.

Prediction: AC will commence hiring Fall 2022, but it will be at a much reduced pace compared to pre-COVID era hiring. Majority of vacancies will be filled by Jazz candidates. Jazz may backfill vacancies internally (left seat). Jazz will evaluate need for hiring based on reduced winter schedule and if there is a need to immediately replace right seat vacancies. With a 48 month type freeze for new-hires (except upgrade), Jazz might have to waive the freeze to allow internal right seat movement, or hire OTS.

Let’s assume AC starts hiring in Fall, 1 class per month. With what you see on the bid, is that enough to trigger hiring for Jazz right away (filing 1 departure to AC by 1 new hire)? Or we could only see the first ground schools happening in 2023?

[PostmasterGeneral]

I still don’t believe the company can afford to wait too long for hiring. I looked at the spring and summer schedule and the express flying is back to almost pre covid level. The latest bid showed a lot of vacancies. They need to move, regardless of AC attrition.

The latest Jazz equipment bid showed zero unfilled vacancies.

The January Jazz equipment bid has been officially cancelled.

Jazz training system running at 100% capacity for the next 9 months.

No Jazz hiring can be accommodated until Fall 2022.

Prediction: AC will commence hiring Fall 2022, but it will be at a much reduced pace compared to pre-COVID era hiring. Majority of vacancies will be filled by Jazz candidates. Jazz may backfill vacancies internally (left seat). Jazz will evaluate need for hiring based on reduced winter schedule and if there is a need to immediately replace right seat vacancies. With a 48 month type freeze for new-hires (except upgrade), Jazz might have to waive the freeze to allow internal right seat movement, or hire OTS.

Let’s assume AC starts hiring in Fall, 1 class per month. With what you see on the bid, is that enough to trigger hiring for Jazz right away (filing 1 departure to AC by 1 new hire)? Or we could only see the first ground schools happening in 2023?

I think AC hiring in the fall is very optimistic. There are still 300 guys without a recall, and the last of the first 300 still doesn't have a training date for awhile. With things starting to slow down around here again, I'd wager that all current pilots will be back on property by spring of 2023. At which point, outside hiring may commence.

The 2022 seniority list was published yesterday, movement upward was ~90 spots or so this year, so not a ton of guys retired or resigned.

[jpilot77]

The latest Jazz equipment bid showed zero unfilled vacancies.

The January Jazz equipment bid has been officially cancelled.

Jazz training system running at 100% capacity for the next 9 months.

No Jazz hiring can be accommodated until Fall 2022.

Prediction: AC will commence hiring Fall 2022, but it will be at a much reduced pace compared to pre-COVID era hiring. Majority of vacancies will be filled by Jazz candidates. Jazz may backfill vacancies internally (left seat). Jazz will evaluate need for hiring based on reduced winter schedule and if there is a need to immediately replace right seat vacancies. With a 48 month type freeze for new-hires (except upgrade), Jazz might have to waive the freeze to allow internal right seat movement, or hire OTS.

Let’s assume AC starts hiring in Fall, 1 class per month. With what you see on the bid, is that enough to trigger hiring for Jazz right away (filing 1 departure to AC by 1 new hire)? Or we could only see the first ground schools happening in 2023?

I think AC hiring in the fall is very optimistic. There are still 300 guys without a recall, and the last of the first 300 still doesn't have a training date for awhile. With things starting to slow down around here again, I'd wager that all current pilots will be back on property by spring of 2023. At which point, outside hiring may commence.

The 2022 seniority list was published yesterday, movement upward was ~90 spots or so this year, so not a ton of guys retired or resigned.

I disagree, yes things have slowed down but the world is starting to move past Covid, I think things will be very busy in not long. If AC waits till next spring to have everyone back we will definitely be behind the 8 ball.

[the-minister31]

I truly think summer will be busy !

[RegionalPilot]

I truly think summer will be busy !

As I was saying earlier, I spend quite some time researching on Google Flights what I call barometer routes and I tried to compare with 2019 and also short term availability in January and February.

YYZ - PHL - 5 flights daily in June
YYC - YUL - 5 flights daily in June
YVR - LAX - 6 flights daily in June
YYZ - YHZ - 10 flights daily in Jun
YYZ - YVR - Close to 20 flights daily in June

All those numbers are about double of what we have currently in January and February. I know the current schedule is a winter schedule, my point is there is A LOT of flying in the upcoming summer months.

[rudder]

As I was saying earlier, I spend quite some time researching on Google Flights what I call barometer routes and I tried to compare with 2019 and also short term availability in January and February.

YYZ - PHL - 5 flights daily in June
YYC - YUL - 5 flights daily in June
YVR - LAX - 6 flights daily in June
YYZ - YHZ - 10 flights daily in Jun
YYZ - YVR - Close to 20 flights daily in June

All those numbers are about double of what we have currently in January and February. I know the current schedule is a winter schedule, my point is there is A LOT of flying in the upcoming summer months.

There are a lot of flights that have been ‘planned’ by marketing and subsequently cancelled by commercial. Not saying that will repeat itself summer 2022 but this year has not thus far panned out even remotely how the CDN airlines thought it would.

Hopefully NFLD will take down their steel curtain. And optimistically the summer domestic schedule may reflect capacity volume approaching a non-COVID environment. Transborder will still be diminished vs summer 2019 and even against the original 2022 recovery plan. International will remain a challenge, and impediments to unfettered movement will remain unless we elect a new Federal government. Testing and quarantine are not stimulants to travel. And if course, many jurisdictions will maintain even tighter entry restrictions than Canada.

We should be happy that most surplus pilots will be back on payroll. Expectations about hiring need to be tempered.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Let’s assume AC starts hiring in Fall, 1 class per month. With what you see on the bid, is that enough to trigger hiring for Jazz right away (filing 1 departure to AC by 1 new hire)? Or we could only see the first ground schools happening in 2023?

I think AC hiring in the fall is very optimistic. There are still 300 guys without a recall, and the last of the first 300 still doesn't have a training date for awhile. With things starting to slow down around here again, I'd wager that all current pilots will be back on property by spring of 2023. At which point, outside hiring may commence.

The 2022 seniority list was published yesterday, movement upward was ~90 spots or so this year, so not a ton of guys retired or resigned.

I disagree, yes things have slowed down but the world is starting to move past Covid, I think things will be very busy in not long. If AC waits till next spring to have everyone back we will definitely be behind the 8 ball.

Maybe the rest of the world is, but not Canada.

The fact of the matter is, even if they wanted everyone back on property tomorrow, there just aren’t the training resources available to retrain everybody currently on furlough, in addition to all of the events triggered by the last bid.

[737Maximilian]

The fact of the matter is, even if they wanted everyone back on property tomorrow, there just aren’t the training resources available to retrain everybody currently on furlough, in addition to all of the events triggered by the last bid.

AC announced another round of recalls yesterday for 138 pilots, with training beginning from March to the start of May. This leaves only 140* pilots left on furlough. Assuming 30 or so are on a longer-term LOA, one could easily see AC training the remaining 110ish pilots in the May/June period before the summer.

Edited to correct my numbers from bob99 on the AC thread

[rudder]

AC announced another round of recalls yesterday for 138 pilots, with training beginning from March to the start of May. This leaves only 174 pilots left on furlough. Assuming 30 or so are on a longer-term LOA, one could easily see AC training the remaining 150ish pilots in the May/June period before the summer.

AC said last year that all pilots would be back on payroll by June 2022. That was also a function of the last MOA with ACPA.

I still think you will see nominal hiring at AC commencing in late fall 2022. Hiring by AC means attrition at Jazz, which means the possibility of hiring at Jazz. Hiring may not spool up concurrent with AC as flying levels decline at Express after October through to February although lead time is required to replace departing pilots and be adequately staffed for anticipated peak monthly flying volumes May-October at Express. Most departures from Jazz will be left seat so each departure will trigger 2 training events (new-hire and upgrade).

It remains to be seen if there will be earlier meaningful attrition from Jazz with the plethora of new opportunities being advertised (Flair/Swoop/Lynx/Porter E jet/etc). That would precipitate earlier commencement for hiring. However, currently the Jazz pilot application portal is closed.

[RegionalPilot]

So Jazz is doing a live Q&A with AeroCareer where you can chat with recruiters… And that same website has a link for Pilots application… I doubt they want pilots to storm the event, it’s most probably to reach out to potential FA and AMEs

[the-minister31]

So Jazz is doing a live Q&A with AeroCareer where you can chat with recruiters… And that same website has a link for Pilots application… I doubt they want pilots to storm the event, it’s most probably to reach out to potential FA and AMEs

I think it's an old add, the application portal is not opened to pilots.

[PostPandemic]

So Jazz is doing a live Q&A with AeroCareer where you can chat with recruiters… And that same website has a link for Pilots application… I doubt they want pilots to storm the event, it’s most probably to reach out to potential FA and AMEs

Have you chatted with them ? Any info on pilot hiring ?

[RegionalPilot]

I did chat with them. A friendly recruiter, without making any promises, told me to expect Jazz to have a job posting for Pilots within the next "1-2 months". I can only assume they got the signal from AC to start hiring sooner then later.