If only the Airline Industry was this United

[flyer 1492]

'd suggest the need for a vaccine mandate would no longer be necessary once heard immunity and thus significantly reduced spread of the disease has been achieved. We're absolutely nowhere near that point yet. Sure, case counts appear to be declining - but we also know testing capacity was overwhelmed across the country (for example BC was limited to 20k tests a day, and as of now is testing such limited numbers of people that the reported data is largely irrelevant), so it's not at all unreasonable to state that case counts were but a fraction of the actual total of cases. In the end, though, as much as we'd like to believe that having a highly vaccinated population "here at home" (in Canada) will make a difference in ending the pandemic, that's absolutely not the case. With a highly interconnected global society, that relies heavily on the ability to move people and goods around the world rapidly, until the entire global community reaches a high level of vaccination this pandemic will rage on. In theory, though, we may not have to worry about our vaccinated population being a breeding ground for new variants - except the populations that refuse vaccination are absolutely prime candidates for brewing up something, in addition to having to watch those nations where vaccines are largely unavailable to the population at large.."

Just out of curiosity, what herd immunity would you suggest?

All the talking heads last year started out saying 50% would be the goal, it quickly moved to 60 then 70 then 80. Now it appears to be 110%. The Federal Government messed this up so bad we will probably never see the end of it. Look after the infirmed and elderly and let everyone go back to work and open all the borders.

[WellThatAgedWell]

'd suggest the need for a vaccine mandate would no longer be necessary once heard immunity and thus significantly reduced spread of the disease has been achieved. We're absolutely nowhere near that point yet. Sure, case counts appear to be declining - but we also know testing capacity was overwhelmed across the country (for example BC was limited to 20k tests a day, and as of now is testing such limited numbers of people that the reported data is largely irrelevant), so it's not at all unreasonable to state that case counts were but a fraction of the actual total of cases. In the end, though, as much as we'd like to believe that having a highly vaccinated population "here at home" (in Canada) will make a difference in ending the pandemic, that's absolutely not the case. With a highly interconnected global society, that relies heavily on the ability to move people and goods around the world rapidly, until the entire global community reaches a high level of vaccination this pandemic will rage on. In theory, though, we may not have to worry about our vaccinated population being a breeding ground for new variants - except the populations that refuse vaccination are absolutely prime candidates for brewing up something, in addition to having to watch those nations where vaccines are largely unavailable to the population at large.."

Just out of curiosity, what herd immunity would you suggest?

All the talking heads last year started out saying 50% would be the goal, it quickly moved to 60 then 70 then 80. Now it appears to be 110%. The Federal Government messed this up so bad we will probably never see the end of it. Look after the infirmed and elderly and let everyone go back to work and open all the borders.

If you are waiting for herd immunity to end mandates, looks like you will wait the rest of your life. Spanish flu is still here.

Herd immunity is not really a thing. The virus mutates and causes reinfection. What does happen is we build up some immunity through vaccines and natural immunity. However we will still get infected and still spread it. Infection will be mild and is not a concern for the vast majority of people.

Covid policy should end because it’s political, not very effective, has consequences to other areas of our life, and most importantly Covid today is not nearly as virulent as many people think.

In the podcast with Peter Attia a father was concerned about his son (in his 30s) who refused the vaccine. They asked him what he though his chances of death or hospitalization was and his answer was 50 percent. It’s clear many people have a very twisted view fuelled by the media.

So to answer your question about her immunity, IMO the answer is no such thing as herd immunity, but we have reached the point where Covid is very manageable with no policy above and beyond what you would see with flu season policies.

[goldeneagle]

An interesting twist
https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/tru ... er-4999296

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Cochrane, please welcome them. They have been advised of parking and restaurant options for the evening. Many if not most, are costing this movement on their own. Thus, if you have a spare bed, room, couch or can give a meal or a shower, please do reach out and help.
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A rep from the Alberta Maverick party got a gofundme going that raised on the order of 5 million dollars. Be curious about where that money is going if it's not going to the truckers as stated in the fund raiser.

Just more fleecing happening from the looks of it.

[strengthinumbers]

In keeping with the strength in numbers and unifying to make voices heard.

I’ve recently heard of another protest happening in the UK, specifically regarding nurses and medical personnel. Roughly 100,000 nurses and medical staff are facing loss of employment if they don’t comply with the February 1 mandate. Staff are organizing and unifying to protest the mandate and threatening to take the leave of absence!

Turns out, when you have a large group of people in key industries who would rather have a choice vs. being forced to comply, they can actually show how much power they actually have.

https://twitter.com/daveswondering/stat ... 52836?s=21


#NHS100K

[mijbil]

I don't believe that Blackface Justin or the incompetent Tam want this to end but for separate reasons.

For Blackface, when this ends then many more people, except for the Liberal faithful sheep, will start to ask financial questions like "where did the money get spent"? and "How many sole source contracts were awarded and how many of those were to Liberal party supporters"? If you thought Chretien was bad with his kickbacks as documented by the Gomery inquiry....wait for it. The billion that was supposed to be doled out the cringe worthy Cheeseburger boys for administering some slush fund that could have as easily been done by the army of bureaucrats in Ottawa was just the opening act. For that they were supposed to get a few million

As for Tam, she was around for SARS in YYZ back in the early 2000's. She SHOULD have had a handle on this from the beginning instead of saying that shutting off flights and all contact from the source country, China, was "racist". She is incompetent....but then again, so is the entire cabinet appointed by black face. Her time in the spotlight is drawing to a close and just like our black-faced drama queen, she is likely coming to enjoy the fawning of the liberal press, especially the vile CBC and doesn't want it to stop. Out here in BC it's the same with Bonnie Henry who is now no longer the 'saint' that some thought she was. When was the last time we heard some solid stats from any of these so-called experts?" The ones I'm referring to are death rate now as compared to 2017,2018,2019. Same question for long term incapacitation. They may squeal that there isn't time to study the long term effects and that may be the case for long term problems like loss of smell, but show us the death stats. This is a coronavirus, same as all the other ones before it. Deal with it. It's clearly NOT the black plague (that's Justin - the black faced plague on our finances). It's not the Spanish flu. Show us the death stats and with those the related age brackets and those with co-morbidities who died....but they don't since it blows their 'narrative' out of the water. Arseholes.

Pity we had to wait for the truckers to show enough smarts to oppose what is now medical tyranny. I want to see Justin tried in public for corruption with the guillotine in the background getting the blade sharpened.

[Bingo Fuel]

I want to see Justin tried in public for corruption with the guillotine in the background getting the blade sharpened.

Please educate me. I couldn't find any reference to death by guillotine anywhere in our legal system. I also could not find any crimes in Canada punishable by death.

[Inverted2]

Justin has gone into hiding again. He was diagnosed with Coward-19.

[dhc#]

Yup...

[Old fella]

I want to see Justin tried in public for corruption with the guillotine in the background getting the blade sharpened.

Please educate me. I couldn't find any reference to death by guillotine anywhere in our legal system. I also could not find any crimes in Canada punishable by death.

Good Christ, I hope some of you dudes are not in command of commercial airliners or any aircraft for that matter flying people around. I am very surprised the moderators are letting the above(guillotine) commentary go through.

[Jet Jockey]

According to the Canadian trucking association, about 85% of truckers are vaccinated... Again a minority will stir up sh!t for no good reason.

The fact is Canada only reacted to the US government's announcement in early October 2021 to require all truckers to be vaccinated to be allowed in the USA.

Tell the truckers to go their tantrum in the USA... Good luck with that because they won't be allowed in.

[WellThatAgedWell]

According to the Canadian trucking association, about 85% of truckers are vaccinated... Again a minority will stir up sh!t for no good reason.

The fact is Canada only reacted to the US government's announcement in early October 2021 to require all truckers to be vaccinated to be allowed in the USA.

Tell the truckers to go their tantrum in the USA... Good luck with that because they won't be allowed in.

Lots of vaccinated truckers are out protesting. Lots of vaccinated supporters standing on overpasses. This was never for the unvaccinated truckers this is for everyone who feels the government has been over reaching and abusing its power.

These vaccine mandates were brewed up a few months ago and lots has changed since then. Time to ask if vaccine mandates make any sense at all, and why aren’t government changing policies with the science?

I was never in agreement with vaccine mandates, but even if you were 4 months ago, would you agree the science has evolved significantly in this time? Delta vs omicron, evidence of viral loads in the vaccinated, evidence the vaccinated are still spreading Covid nearly as much as the non vaccinated, evidence of natural immunity etc.

[hithere]

The one thing that has remained constant throughout the pandemic is that the vaccine significantly reduces the probability that one will get seriously ill from the virus. Isn’t that enough of a reason to get vaccinated?

[WellThatAgedWell]

The one thing that has remained constant throughout the pandemic is that the vaccine significantly reduces the probability that one will get seriously ill from the virus. Isn’t that enough of a reason to get vaccinated?

I don’t know why people always run circles around these conversations. The same points come back up.

My response to this is, who are you speaking for?

Are you making this statement for a 19 year old healthy college student? Is this about a 10 year old with cancer? A 40 year old who is obese? A 50 year old athlete? This is very important to define don’t you think? Who is ending up hospitalized with Covid?

The vaccines are very safe, but not with zero risk. There are nearly 300 people (i think it was Canada wide but forget if it was on the Ontario or Canada website) who have died with a link to Covid vaccination and some are posted as “under investigation”. It appears they want to hide the information (or maybe that’s a stretch, but at the very least public health and the media attempt to under represent the vaccines risk and over represent the benefits). Other people have been hospitalized after vaccination. I am really only making this point to say, vaccines are not without risk, and this is important to acknowledge. By no means am I saying that these risks make the vaccines not worth taking for most people. For most people the vaccines are the right choice. It’s just not my choice to make for other people.

That said for most people the risk benefit made it worth it to get the vaccines… however as time goes on this changes. As time passes natural immunity increases through infection, and the virus is less virulent. If you keep assessing risk benefits, each day that passes it makes vaccines less important to some people each day that passes.

For example, a parent may have said with delta they want to vaccinate their 12 year old. But since omicron is here, maybe that makes less sense for a healthy 12 year old. Maybe you would choose to risk natural infection and immunity as the virus is now less virulent.

Maybe the most important point is this should really just be a personal choice we all make and we should be armed with the facts of the risks and benefits and this should be a discussion with our doctors. Does this help you understand why people might make a choice you disagree with? I encourage you to listen to Peter attias latest podcast on Covid, maybe that could give you some insight.. One of the doctors said they had antivax listeners who emailed in to say their podcast changed their mind and decided to get a vaccine. Being armed with unbiased information makes people feel empowered to make good choices. Unfortunately our government creates division, fear, and ultimately we all end up losing trust and this manifests groups of people who will be “antivax”.

Edit: so I wanted to link the adverse events data, here is where you can find it
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid ... ne-safety/
Canada wide 269 deaths in the vaccinated, but they don’t make it clear if they can link the death directly to vaccination. This is part of the lack of information that can fuel the fire. Why don’t they finish these investigations and post the data. Why not just be clear about the risk?

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Based on this data an argument could be made that nearly every other day, someone is dying from taking a Covid vaccine in Canada.

[WellThatAgedWell]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavir ... -1.5756719

STOCKHOLM -- Sweden has decided against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-11, the Health Agency said on Thursday, arguing that the benefits did not outweigh the risks. "With the knowledge we have today, with a low risk for serious disease for kids, we don't see any clear benefit with vaccinating them," Health Agency official Britta Bjorkholm told a news conference.

What a difference from what Mr. Trudeaus message is.

[Inverted2]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavir ... -1.5756719

STOCKHOLM -- Sweden has decided against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-11, the Health Agency said on Thursday, arguing that the benefits did not outweigh the risks. "With the knowledge we have today, with a low risk for serious disease for kids, we don't see any clear benefit with vaccinating them," Health Agency official Britta Bjorkholm told a news conference.

What a difference from what Mr. Trudeaus message is.

Meanwhile Fauxi wants to vax children under 5. Unreal. No sane parent will do that.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/19/fauci-s ... month.html

[palebird]

The argument that the vaccine will reduce the severity of the "disease" has never been proven. It is simply regurgitated by all MSM and favoured talking heads as a fact. What a load of bs.

[TG]

Well this topic certainly attracted the AvCanada's anti-vax/Deniers gang and their circle j@rk arguments (Hamster wheel's argument for the touchy Ones)


Have fun

[JeppsOnFire]

I’m willfully vaccinated.
I am grateful to healthcare workers (et al) for their perseverance and hard work in unimaginable working conditions.
I support the convoy speaking out against what is, in my opinion, government overreach on personal liberties.
Texas had a ‘bans off my body’ protest which was applauded by so many yet the same people become angry and condescending with regards to those who oppose vaccine mandates. They, for some reason, cannot see the similarities to a government imposed vaccination.
Government does not get to choose for me. Full stop.

[Transition9er2]

Watching the convoys enter Ottawa and now seeing convoys grow and head into their provincial capitals is truly amazing!

For the first time in a very long time I am FINALLY feeling Proud to be Canadian again.

Looks like the fringe minority is actually making a lot of noise!

Ultimately I hope this continues to stay safe and peaceful for everyone!

T.