Truckers convoy

[Inverted2]

Really? You really can't disentangle the vaccines from the mandates? You really believe that a person who is in favour of vaccines must therefore, by definition, also be in favour of mandates? And by extension, a person opposed to mandates, must therefore be opposed to vaccines?

Of course they are different. But the reason for the protest against the mandate is because they dont want to get vaccinated. Its a pretty simple concept.

They don’t want to be forced to choose between a vaccination and keeping the lights on. But that’s not all. They and WE do not want to be forced to show a QR code everywhere we go, from the local hockey arena to the gym to a restaurant. We don’t want to have to choose between vaccinating our kids and swimming lessons, hockey or T-Ball. We don’t want to wear these ridiculous masks everywhere we go and we certainly don’t want our kids to have to wear them all day in school. We don’t want the government telling us how many people we can have in our homes, at our weddings or at our funerals. We don’t want any of it, anymore, ever. It’s a pretty simple concept.

Couldn’t have said it better.

[Impact]

Really? You really can't disentangle the vaccines from the mandates? You really believe that a person who is in favour of vaccines must therefore, by definition, also be in favour of mandates? And by extension, a person opposed to mandates, must therefore be opposed to vaccines?

Of course they are different. But the reason for the protest against the mandate is because they dont want to get vaccinated. Its a pretty simple concept.

Nope. Nice try.

You are trying to make this into an anti-vax issue, as opposed to freedom from mandatory vax legislation.

I'm vaxxed, and I absolutely stand behind this movement.

[Aviatard]

It’s not that hard Captain breakfast cereal. One can certainly be in favor of vaccines but certainly be opposed to mandating them. Try harder, you’re almost there.

So you’ll do it, but only if nobody tells you to?

[Vaticinator]

Another Covidian straw man, straight out of the play book.

Why is a person's motivation for getting, or not getting the vaccine relevant to you?

[‘Bob’]

fReE dUmB

[Aviatard]

It’s not that hard Captain breakfast cereal. One can certainly be in favor of vaccines but certainly be opposed to mandating them. Try harder, you’re almost there.

So you’ll do it, but only if nobody tells you to?

Unlike you, based on your writings here and your username, do not require someone else to tell me what to do for all my life’s situations. Here’s an idea. How about you pick up stakes, put your feet where your mouth is and pack off to a communist country where you can enjoy that kind of lifestyle. I like making my own choices. You should too, it’s what western civilization has been about for just about a thousand years.

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You have every one of the symptoms. Fortunately treatment is available.

[Aviatard]

Did you cut and paste that from someone who sent it to you?

Don’t eat your own poop. Seriously don’t. It’s a bad idea and will probably make you sick. Dr. Fauci and Teresa Tam said not to. So just don’t do it.

[CpnCrunch]

Nope. Nice try.

You are trying to make this into an anti-vax issue, as opposed to freedom from mandatory vax legislation.

I'm vaxxed, and I absolutely stand behind this movement.

Well we have had mandatory vax legislation since October and nobody has protested until the same rules were imposed on truckers. In fact they have it easier than the rest of us, as they don't have to do two covid tests before entering the country.

It's a simple question: why do the 10% of truckers not want to get vaccinated? They would have my support if they explained the rationale for [1] what they want to achieve and [2] why they're doing it. I don't support forced vaccination either. But why can't they answer a few simple questions about why they're doing it? The gofundme page is pretty sparse with no real info.

[Impact]

Being the eternal optimist, I look at covid as giving me a very valuable gift.

I now know which people in my life share my core values. Fortunately my close friends still share those values, however, there were a few people on the peripheries who turned out to be closet authoritarians. People who do not respect autonomy and the ability to make personal choices.

I have cut them entirely out of my life, and I'm happier (and safer) because of it.

[Impact]

Nope. Nice try.

You are trying to make this into an anti-vax issue, as opposed to freedom from mandatory vax legislation.

I'm vaxxed, and I absolutely stand behind this movement.

Well we have had mandatory vax legislation since October and nobody has protested until the same rules were imposed on truckers. In fact they have it easier than the rest of us, as they don't have to do two covid tests before entering the country.

It's a simple question: why do the 10% of truckers not want to get vaccinated? They would have my support if they explained the rationale for [1] what they want to achieve and [2] why they're doing it. I don't support forced vaccination either. But why can't they answer a few simple questions about why they're doing it? The gofundme page is pretty sparse with no real info.

The timing of it? Not sure. Could be the age old concept of "the straw that broke the camels back" perhaps.

Is there anything stopping you from contacting an organizer, and getting the info you're looking for (as opposed to asking me). Better to get straight from the horses mouth, don't cha think?

[CpnCrunch]

Is there anything stopping you from contacting an organizer, and getting the info you're looking for (as opposed to asking me). Better to get straight from the horses mouth, don't cha think?

Why should I bother doing that?

It's pretty clear this is about anti-vaxxers. I found one interview:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... -greeting/

"I personally don’t agree with the RNA vaccination, or what they call the vaccination"

So he doesn't want to get the vaccination because he "doesn't agree" with RNA vaccination for some reason. I think that's the very definition of anti-vax.

Anyway, I do support them. There is no way a vaccine mandate is going to convince these people to get vaccinated. It's just going to cause problems.

[Impact]

Is there anything stopping you from contacting an organizer, and getting the info you're looking for (as opposed to asking me). Better to get straight from the horses mouth, don't cha think?

Why should I bother doing that?

It's pretty clear this is about anti-vaxxers. I found one interview:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... -greeting/

"I personally don’t agree with the RNA vaccination, or what they call the vaccination"

So he doesn't want to get the vaccination because he "doesn't agree" with RNA vaccination for some reason. I think that's the very definition of anti-vax.

Anyway, I do support them. There is no way a vaccine mandate is going to convince these people to get vaccinated. It's just going to cause problems.

Why should you bother doing that? Well, I don't know. You were the one looking for answers, so I thought speaking/communicating directly with the organizers might give you some insight. That's entirely on you however. If you choose not to get in touch with them, that's cool. Just thought I'd drop a reasonable suggestion out there.

So you are taking an interview with one person, and painting the entire movement with it? Could you imagine how many separate subtle and nuanced opinions there are within any other protest movement? I'm betting a fairly wide swath. Had I been the one being interviewed, would my answers have satiated your need to find the purpose of the movement?

[Vaticinator]

Well we have had mandatory vax legislation since October and nobody has protested until the same rules were imposed on truckers.

That's not true. There have been protests, they've just been smaller, less funded and certainly much less covered by media.

[Vaticinator]

fReE dUmB

Did you ask mommy and daddy for permission to use the computer?

[CpnCrunch]

So you are taking an interview with one person, and painting the entire movement with it? Could you imagine how many separate subtle and nuanced opinions there are within any other protest movement? I'm betting a fairly wide swath. Had I been the one being interviewed, would my answers have satiated your need to find the purpose of the movement?

If the protest is struggling to explain why theyre protesting, what is the point? Its pretty obvious it is pointless anyway. There is no way they can change US policy, 1 week after implementation, by driving to Ottawa. Eventually the restrictions will disappear anyway.

[palebird]

Yeah pretty pointless. Kinda like you.

[Impact]

" A healthy lifestyle is not one of the preventative factors of Covid 19." he said. "The only protective factor that we know about is vaccinations." - Peter Juni - Professor of medicine and epidemiology at the UofT & Director of Ontario Science Advisory Table

Although I agree with the first part of his statement, I'm calling bullsh*t on the second half. That's a fairly bold statement to use the word "only", especially for someone in his position. I'd go so far as to say it's absolutely false. The low death rates amongst those without comorbidities are not relevant to him?

Looks like what I've been told to do my entire life (achieve a healthy lifestyle) really is now up in smoke. And to think that following the advise of my parents, teachers, Doctors....hell, even the Government of Canada, was all for not all these years (when it comes to fighting off the consequences of disease/illness). Might as well cancel that gym membership.

And we wonder why some people have no trust in either the Gov't or bureaucrats. It's irrational BS like this.

[Impact]

So you are taking an interview with one person, and painting the entire movement with it? Could you imagine how many separate subtle and nuanced opinions there are within any other protest movement? I'm betting a fairly wide swath. Had I been the one being interviewed, would my answers have satiated your need to find the purpose of the movement?

If the protest is struggling to explain why theyre protesting, what is the point? Its pretty obvious it is pointless anyway. There is no way they can change US policy, 1 week after implementation, by driving to Ottawa. Eventually the restrictions will disappear anyway.

Well, I think enough people do understand what the protest is about, otherwise it would not have been making the news cycles over the past few days, and garnered so much support through Gofundme.

If you're either unwilling or unable to understand, unfortunately that's on you. You seem like a fairly intelligent guy/gal, with the internet at your fingertips. That's a pretty good set of tools in your toolbox to find the answers to what you're looking for. Best of luck.

[CpnCrunch]

Yeah pretty pointless. Kinda like you.

@#$! you

[CpnCrunch]

Yeah pretty pointless. Kinda like you.

F.u.c.k. you

[pelmet]

No problem with protesters and freedom of speech but I have a major problem with people trying to jam up a city.

The convoy should be stopped outside Ottawa and they can leave their trucks parked at the side of the highway. School busses would be given permission to pick up the truckers to drop them off at parliament hill. All paid out of the go fund me account.

An emergency law allowing this action would be that for a time period, no trucks go into the city unless it can be proven that there is a business reason to be on the city.

That is what I would have attempted to do if I were mayor or premier. Maybe I should be.

[rookiepilot]

So…to be clear…..truckers are heroes……(quoted by Trudeau early on) — until they disagree with the Government?

Same with health care workers and minimum wage grocery store clerks.

Now they are all Racists, Homophobic, Terrorists, Hate speech promoters, wife beaters, sexists, and haters of Tim Hortons?

According to the NDP and Liberals.

But Ottawa police chief is on TV right now. Says everyone there has been well behaved and peaceful.

Right after:

An “expert” interviewed on CBC spewing all kinds of concern about “violence” and “anonymous donations”.

What violence?

Hello? Is it against the law to now donate anonymously? If I donate to a cause its NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS who or what I donate to.

If illegal acts happen, prosecute. If its not illegal, STFU CBC!

[Impact]

No problem with protesters and freedom of speech but I have a major problem with people trying to jam up a city.

The convoy should be stopped outside Ottawa and they can leave their trucks parked at the side of the highway. School busses would be given permission to pick up the truckers to drop them off at parliament hill. All paid out of the go fund me account.

An emergency law allowing this action would be that for a time period, no trucks go into the city unless it can be proven that there is a business reason to be on the city.

That is what I would have attempted to do if I were mayor or premier. Maybe I should be.

You don't think that would add fuel to the fire?

It'd be one hell of a political calculation to make.

[Inverted2]

No problem with protesters and freedom of speech but I have a major problem with people trying to jam up a city.

The convoy should be stopped outside Ottawa and they can leave their trucks parked at the side of the highway. School busses would be given permission to pick up the truckers to drop them off at parliament hill. All paid out of the go fund me account.

An emergency law allowing this action would be that for a time period, no trucks go into the city unless it can be proven that there is a business reason to be on the city.

That is what I would have attempted to do if I were mayor or premier. Maybe I should be.

I see your point but other truckers would get pissed off and likely join in and stop driving into the city and then watch the food and gas run out in a few days and then it will get nasty.

[rookiepilot]

Maybe Trudeau would prefer a general strike instead.

I think we’re headed in that direction eventually.

If everyone goes on strike are they are misogynistic, racist, terrorists, and homophobic?

Gonna get interesting.