This is how you treat staff

[Arnie Pye]

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2022 ... m-lounges/

[‘Bob’]

I got Zone 1 and Premium Economy on Encore once.

A 250ml bottle of water before departure! Wow!

[flyinhigh]

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2022 ... m-lounges/

Yeah, you also got the keep the goodies you found in the seat pocket at the end of the flight.

In reality does westjet still expect that of their non revs with all this Covid stuff?

[goldeneagle]

The Canadian airlines really need to get as far as treating the customers like that, before you worry about the staff.

[Canadaflyer46]

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2022 ... m-lounges/

Yeah, you also got the keep the goodies you found in the seat pocket at the end of the flight.

In reality does westjet still expect that of their non revs with all this Covid stuff?

Oh yes indeed they do. As soon as you log in to the standby travel site it reminds you they expect all employees to groom, even if flying confirmed. Pick up the garbage during a pandemic or risk losing your travel privileges.

[‘Bob’]

Not if you’re interline.

Thanks for taking one for the team.

[88gtst]

Lol I immediately lose all respect for any professional pilot who sticks around to groom.

[TeePeeCreeper]

Lol I immediately lose all respect for any professional pilot who sticks around to groom.

How elitist of you.

I don’t give a rats ass on which airline I am a pax on, inter airline or not. It is not beneath me to cross my seat’s belt and that of the adjacent row and hand over little left over bits of trash on my way out.

Perhaps I am too nice or just wish to be helpful towards the cabin crew?

TPC

[88gtst]

Lol I immediately lose all respect for any professional pilot who sticks around to groom.

How elitist of you.

I don’t give a rats ass on which airline I am a pax on, inter airline or not. It is not beneath me to cross my seat’s belt and that of the adjacent row and hand over little left over bits of trash on my way out.

Perhaps I am too nice or just wish to be helpful towards the cabin crew?

TPC

I have nothing against leaving your personal area clean as you leave. Which I do every time I travel even as a rev passenger. What I lose respect for is airline pilots, especially those in uniform donning the rubber blue gloves and going to town on all the seat backs. Especially when passengers are still onboard (which I've seen more than a few times).

Have some respect for yourself and your profession.

[rookiepilot]

Lol I immediately lose all respect for any professional pilot who sticks around to groom.

This is why you’ll always, always be working for someone else, with that attitude.

[Tolip]

Lol I immediately lose all respect for any professional pilot who sticks around to groom.

How elitist of you.

I don’t give a rats ass on which airline I am a pax on, inter airline or not. It is not beneath me to cross my seat’s belt and that of the adjacent row and hand over little left over bits of trash on my way out.

Perhaps I am too nice or just wish to be helpful towards the cabin crew?

TPC

Does WJ even as us to groom anymore? I've never seen any flight attendants groom during the pandemic. And I've asked if they need help, tonwhich they replied "we dont dont do that anymore", even on the Q there are a staff of people that come on board and groom

[88gtst]

Lol I immediately lose all respect for any professional pilot who sticks around to groom.

This is why you’ll always, always be working for someone else, with that attitude.

Ok, and?

You make it sound like that's a bad thing. I personally don't mind working on average 9-12 days a month and make good money. Is it perfect? No, but not everyone wants to be an entrepreneur.

[photofly]

There's no law that says you can't work for yourself, and make good money, all in 9-12 days per month. I mean, isn't that the point of working for yourself?

[88gtst]

The point is not everyone wants to work for themselves. I throw my uni on three times a month and forget about work the rest of the time. I get to spend time with my wife and son, freinds and have enough hobbies to keep me busy.

[‘Bob’]

Lol I immediately lose all respect for any professional pilot who sticks around to groom.

This is why you’ll always, always be working for someone else, with that attitude.

Non sequitur.

[rookiepilot]

Lol I immediately lose all respect for any professional pilot who sticks around to groom.

This is why you’ll always, always be working for someone else, with that attitude.

Non sequitur.

I'm uneducated. Don't know what that means.

[88gtst]

This is why you’ll always, always be working for someone else, with that attitude.

Non sequitur.

I'm uneducated. Don't know what that means.

Google is hard to use. I get it.

[Col. Panic]

This is why you’ll always, always be working for someone else, with that attitude.

Non sequitur.

I'm uneducated. Don't know what that means.

It is Latin for “your quid pro quo is a bit of a stretch”.

[rookiepilot]

Non sequitur.

I'm uneducated. Don't know what that means.

It is Latin for “your quid pro quo is a bit of a stretch”.

Thank you.

[‘Bob’]

I’m not educated either. I learned it through self-study.

It means your conclusion does not follow your premise(s).

There are a great many non-business owners—and failed business owners who do or did dirty jobs.

And there are plenty of business owners—a few of which I had the displeasure of working for—for whom any form of dirty work was beneath them. One winner didn’t even do DIs.. so he took off with the flight control locks on and—after miraculously surviving—promptly blamed the mechanics for not removing them.

It also implies that people want to work for themselves. I sure don’t. If the company I work for treats me badly or fails I simply move on to the next one. No attachments, no worries about losses or external factors. No long hours or taking it home with me worrying about how the competition or US economy or Canadian government is going to ruin it.

And it pays dividends in mental health and a good nights sleep.

[rookiepilot]

I’m not educated either. I learned it through self-study.

It means your conclusion does not follow your premise(s).

There are a great many non-business owners—and failed business owners who do or did dirty jobs.

And there are plenty of business owners—a few of which I had the displeasure of working for—for whom any form of dirty work was beneath them. One winner didn’t even do DIs.. so he took off with the flight control locks on and—after miraculously surviving—promptly blamed the mechanics for not removing them.

It also implies that people want to work for themselves. I sure don’t. If the company I work for treats me badly or fails I simply move on to the next one. No attachments, no worries about losses or external factors. No long hours or taking it home with me worrying about how the competition or US economy or Canadian government is going to ruin it.

And it pays dividends in mental health and a good nights sleep.

Fair enough.

[photofly]

no worries about losses or external factors. No long hours or taking it home with me worrying about how the competition or US economy or Canadian government is going to ruin it.

And it pays dividends in mental health and a good nights sleep.

I take your point, but having seen both sides of the divide, the security of working for someone else is illusory. Permanent jobs are just as much subject to the vagaries of the competition, the US economy and whether the Canadian government is going to ruin it as working for yourself. The good night’s sleep of the employee is based on a fantasy, albeit a comfortable one.

[‘Bob’]

Where did I say anything about job security? I don’t care about job security.

That’s the whole point. I can pack up (or be sent packing) and have opportunities abound while being none the worse for wear. A business owner loses a business… not exactly easy to start another one now, is it?

Some people care. Typically they are the ones grinding up the ladder of union seniority hoping that they’ve picked a winning horse and hoping that they have enough for when the world inevitably implodes. Motivated to do terrible things to start for the promise of a carrot at the other end that few survive to collect.

[photofly]

Where did I say anything about job security? I don’t care about job security.

Noting that you are unusual in this respect, when most people talk about having a good nights sleep because they have a job and don't work for themselves, it's because they feel insulated by having an employer from the things that worry the self-employed. That confidence is illusory.

[digits_]

Where did I say anything about job security? I don’t care about job security.

Noting that you are unusual in this respect, when most people talk about having a good nights sleep because they have a job and don't work for themselves, it's because they feel insulated by having an employer from the things that worry the self-employed. That confidence is illusory.

Often it is an illusion, but not always. If you work for a startup, then you might as well start your own business job security wise. If you work for a bank, you're likely more secure than when you would have started your own business.