Truckers convoy

[rookiepilot]

This is our great leader. Why is he still our PM?

Defend this, Liberal Sympathizers, or STFU.

He’s provoking Canadians. Deliberately.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told a Quebec television station people who do not get vaccinated against COVID-19 are often racist and misogynistic extremists.

But he said the people of Quebec are not the problem and questioned whether the rest of Canada needs to “tolerate” the unvaccinated.

https://westernstandardonline.com/2021/ ... xtremists/

Singh. UNITY Builder for Canada here.

And, today Conservative MPs have endorsed a convoy led by those that claim the superiority of the white bloodline and equate Islam to a disease.

Who here voted for these 2 individuals?

[rookiepilot]

Pretty good and fairly balanced editorial. He says the protests should end.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad ... leadership

I like this line.

What is much more worrisome than the conduct of the truckers or even the asinine and now thoroughly discredited official response to the coronavirus is that the federal government’s reflexive response is not to recruit public opinion by making a goodwill effort to listen to the truckers’ complaints and respond to them reasonably, but to defame this approaching host of aroused citizens supported by millions of their countrymen as a wretched mob of thugs, bigots and perverts.

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Do you think it's possible that the people doing the protesting actually are a "wretched mob of thugs, bigots and perverts"? The people who organized the protest seemed to have a bunch of fairly unsavoury views on some of these topics. Bigots, thugs and perverts are entitled to protest COVID restrictions just like anyone else, aren't they?

[rookiepilot]

Do you think it's possible that the people doing the protesting actually are a "wretched mob of thugs, bigots and perverts"? The people who organized the protest seemed to have a bunch of fairly unsavoury views on some of these topics. Bigots, thugs and perverts are entitled to protest COVID restrictions just like anyone else, aren't they?

Whenever you disagree with any of the government’s decisions in the future, that is what they will label you.

That seems bizzarely to be ok with a lot of people here. I don’t get it.

[pelmet]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/wi ... d=msedgntp

[pelmet]

Whenever you disagree with any of the government’s decisions in the future, that is what they will label you.

That seems bizzarely to be ok with a lot of people here. I don’t get it.

An improper reaction to an improper action does not make the action proper.

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Do you think it's possible that the people doing the protesting actually are a "wretched mob of thugs, bigots and perverts"? The people who organized the protest seemed to have a bunch of fairly unsavoury views on some of these topics. Bigots, thugs and perverts are entitled to protest COVID restrictions just like anyone else, aren't they?

Whenever you disagree with any of the government’s decisions in the future, that is what they will label you.

That seems bizzarely to be ok with a lot of people here. I don’t get it.

It's possible that they were labeled as such because they disagreed with the government. But isn't is also possible that they disagree with the government, and actually are also bigots, thugs and perverts? Disagreeing with the government doesn't insulate you from being any of those things, does it?

[pelmet]

Do you think it's possible that the people doing the protesting actually are a "wretched mob of thugs, bigots and perverts"? The people who organized the protest seemed to have a bunch of fairly unsavoury views on some of these topics. Bigots, thugs and perverts are entitled to protest COVID restrictions just like anyone else, aren't they?

Whenever you disagree with any of the government’s decisions in the future, that is what they will label you.

That seems bizzarely to be ok with a lot of people here. I don’t get it.

It's possible that they were labeled as such because they disagreed with the government. But isn't is also possible that they disagree with the government, and actually are also bigots, thugs and perverts? Disagreeing with the government doesn't insulate you from being any of those things, does it?

I find this federal government as disgusting Rookie does for the same reason. But I have been smart enough all along to recognize the threat that these people are to the country's well-being(as has been well vindicated).

It is sad that the parties of law and order(which does not include the Liberals and NDP) have decided to destroy their credibility by siding with this anarchy who are at minimum, an overall group of thugs.

Here is one leader who destroyed his credibility......

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/m ... d=msedgntp

[‘Bob’]

Looks like it has begun….





….oh wait… my bad…. that was the Harper Government during the G20 summit.

[ReserveTank]

Do you think it's possible that the people doing the protesting actually are a "wretched mob of thugs, bigots and perverts"? The people who organized the protest seemed to have a bunch of fairly unsavoury views on some of these topics. Bigots, thugs and perverts are entitled to protest COVID restrictions just like anyone else, aren't they?

No. You're simply slandering with zero proof.

If they remove the mandates, they will drive off immediately. Problem solved.

[rookiepilot]

In this thread I have only been interested in talking about the government’s actions.

They are supposed to be the adults in the room. Period.

They are supposed to be unifying leaders.

That is explicitly what Trudeau promised during the election. A different government.

I am calling him out on failing in that for all Canadians. He lied to Canadians.

Too bad too many of you support the division and smearing of citizens (44% today, who polls say agree with me)

So essentially what has been said, is everyone who didn't vote Liberal / NDP are overt homophobic racist misogynistic traitors to Canada.

Nice.

Everyone else can keep talking about the horrible protestors.

[pelmet]

So sad that most of the major contributers on this thread fall into this category.......


"............ quite simply that huge numbers of Canadians have changed their minds on the question of enforcement: They want the police to crack down on protesters they don’t like, but not on ones they do like.

“These blockaders are taking away the freedom of other people to move their goods and themselves where they want to go, and that is wrong,” Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre, who may well be the party’s next leader, thundered in 2020. Two years later, one almost expects him to show up at the border in his own CPC-branded rig.

Two years ago Liberals retired to their fainting couches at the mere notion that police might just walk in and insist protesters leave on pain of arrest. When then-Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer demanded it, Trudeau deemed his stance “disqualifying” and disinvited him from an all-party leaders’ meeting on the crisis. Then Indigenous services minister Marc Miller was dispatched to Tyendinaga to plead and beg for a resolution.

If we are going to sit down and talk about a new way to deal with economically harmful, otherwise disruptive and clearly illegal protests, we need to start with one basic non-negotiable goal: Consistent, equal treatment for everyone.

[Bingo Fuel]

If they remove the mandates, they will drive off immediately. Problem solved.

Some might. I think some of them will keep the blockade going as long as Trudeau is Prime Minister.

[ReserveTank]

Looks like it has begun….





….oh wait… my bad…. that was the Harper Government during the G20 summit.

Hey Boss, this isn't red team/blue team midwit time. The Globalists despise all of the citizenry. They'll break out the tactical gear and pound us all, for any reason, regardless of political tastes. However, they often attempt to gain results through alternate means, including psychological techniques imposed upon the public.
The convoy presents a logistical issue for the government for which they were sorely unprepared for. The trucks are huge, numerous, and nobody wants to move them. Threats of fines and jail aren't deterring them yet (Funny how they can make up laws on the spot--your vote means shit, BTW). This government knows that use of force may be highly unpopular, so they have been doing the psychological campaign through the media. The "fringe minority" lie was easily exposed, so the government labelled them as "T's." That also isn't holding much water, so they went in for the CPS angle, again untrue. Now there's tactical gear at the Ambassador bridge, but trucks aren't moving, just a small sample of protestors (likely actors, as usual) falling back under police duress.
All this dressing is to make the public OK with slandering, dehumanizing, and depersoning the convoy and their supporters.

That's a rhetorician's take on it, anyway.

Personally, I think they should all have just done like the song, "Stay the F@#$ at Home," and made a silent disruption. See how long the big cities can live without necessities such as triple/triple Timmies, 54g sugar Frappucinos, and stretch pants.

[ReserveTank]

If they remove the mandates, they will drive off immediately. Problem solved.

Some might. I think some of them will keep the blockade going as long as Trudeau is Prime Minister.

There might be a few that hang out longer, but it would really defeat the purpose. It would be tactically sound to not overdo it.

If we are going to sit down and talk about a new way to deal with economically harmful, otherwise disruptive and clearly illegal protests, we need to start with one basic non-negotiable goal: Consistent, equal treatment for everyone.

Nothing has been as economically harmful and disruptive to the decent Canadian way of life as the past two years of pop-up mandates. I say deliver ZERO goods to any large cities in Ontario. Even seen a Cuban grocery shelf? 4 aisles of ketchup, which are all the same brand. That''ll be Canadian liberal utopia. They don't even need to block the roads to do it. That will take care of the "clearly illegal" part.

[pelmet]

What has been going on in Ottawa for two weeks now (and increasingly spreading around the country) is not only enormously distressing, but rather terrifying as well. What we are witnessing is the total failure of all levels of government, along with some of our most prized institutions. Perhaps most concerning is that people are realizing that when they most need assistance, they are effectively on their own.

Hopefully, the situation will be resolved soon, although there is still no clear path forward. All levels of government seem to be hiding behind jurisdictional walls, with the result being that none of them seem prepared to take firm action. But even if some positive signs are now visible (like Friday’s declaration of a state of emergency in Ontario), we cannot erase what the past two weeks have already revealed.

It’s hard to even fathom how this situation was allowed to happen. For days before the first trucks arrived in Ottawa, it was clear that this would not be like most protests. It was evident that the truckers were very well financed. They had a list of demands that could not possibly be realized — including the mass resignation of the federal government — and they repeatedly said that they were prepared to stay for days or weeks, until their demands were met.

And yet, the local authorities in Ottawa clearly had no clue what they were up against. While you could perhaps give the police the benefit of the doubt in the first few days for being too passive, it soon became obvious that their hands-off approach was not working, and a more assertive strategy was called for. But it appeared to take an additional week for Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly to begin formulating one.

While it would be unfair to lay the blame for this mess on Sloly alone, it is not unreasonable to expect that when citizens and local officials turned to the police chief for some reassurance that the city would reassert control and begin taking more active measures, he should have been able to offer it.

Instead, for anyone who witnessed one of the city’s initial live-streamed meetings, what they saw was an official who has a habit of speaking in various shades of legalese. This was unfortunate, as all Sloly had to say was, “I recognize our failures, and we are determined to do better.” Watching some of the meetings, one could literally feel the frustration of local councillors.

Part of that was the seeming unwillingness of the police to enforce existing laws. For example, despite horns going off at all hours of the day and night, the police did not enforce noise bylaws (rather, it fell to private citizens to launch a successful lawsuit).

Similarly, there is a vast thicket of parking, obstruction and engine idling rules and regulations — which every Canadian driver knows all too well — and yet they too have been largely ignored. There are also scores of residents who claim that they have been harassed and threatened on the street, often within earshot of the police, who generally stood idly by. All of which has fed a perception of a police force that seems incapable of handling the situation.

The sight of downtown Ottawa being overtaken by hundreds of truckers and their supporters is one that has certainly been noticed outside of Canada. One can only imagine what our enemies are thinking.

Here at home, it is precisely because of the sheer scale of Ottawa’s failure that the protests have escalated across the country. Several additional protests have taken place in cities from coast to coast, and protesters have been blocking border crossings in Alberta, Manitoba and Ontario.

At the Ambassador Bridge, which connects Windsor, Ont. and Detroit, a group of protesters — this one far smaller than the original group in Ottawa — essentially just moved in and took over, as local authorities largely stood by and watched.

Unlike the situation in the capital, which has inconvenienced tens of thousands of people in the downtown core but has had a limited impact outside of the city, this protest has closed off Canada’s most important trade route. Hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue is being lost daily. It is this protest that seems to have galvanized the province into taking action on Friday.

So where do we go from here? Assuming that the protesters do not suddenly accept the endlessly repeated advice to leave, much stronger police action is called for, along with better political leadership at all levels."

But even with the Ontario government declaring a state of emergency, this remains a situation where the federal government, with its far larger powers, will have to play the primary role in bringing the various protests to an end (likely through some combination of carrots and sticks).

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has to realize that he cannot be a bystander as both the capital city and now the Canadian economy itself is held hostage. What has happened in Ottawa is nothing less than a travesty, as is the situation at the Windsor-Detroit border. A more aggressive posture by the police, along with a much more substantive and assertive role from the federal government, will hopefully persuade the truckers to leave town in the coming days — hopefully

[Aviatard]

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told a Quebec television station people who do not get vaccinated against COVID-19 are often racist and misogynistic extremists.

But he said the people of Quebec are not the problem and questioned whether the rest of Canada needs to “tolerate” the unvaccinated.

https://westernstandardonline.com/2021/ ... xtremists/

It’s hard to tell what he actually said since I don’t speak French and the only sources I could find are equally dubious as western star online. Let’s grant that their translation is accurate. If so then you’re right to say that isn’t a message of unity.

The article goes on to say this:

His comments prompted People’s Party of Canada leader Maxime Bernier to call Trudeau a “fascist psychopath.”

Is this a message of unity from a party leader? Oddly you had no comment to make on this conservative party leader’s statement.

Who here voted for these 2 individuals?

Since the party leaders also run in their own ridings probably very few avcanada folks voted for them. I voted for the candidate in my riding. Canadians don’t directly vote for party leaders.

[Aviatard]

Now there's tactical gear at the Ambassador bridge, but trucks be aren't moving, just a small sample of protestors (likely actors, as usual) falling back under police duress.

Are the actors in the room with you now? Can you see them?

[pelmet]

“The latest survey by Maru Public Opinion finds 64 per cent approve using the Armed Forces to clear out trucks with heavy tows while 53 per cent support the use of force by Ottawa police to remove truckers, their families and others who refuse to leave. This includes the use of tear gas and other methods, with the understanding that such measures could result in injury.”


https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/02/1 ... -poll/amp/

[Inverted2]

Friend of mine is at the Ottawa protest today and it’s getting bigger by the minute. A large convoy from Quebec is on its way too. The police have pushed the Windsor protesters back but more seem to be showing up. Will Chairman Castreau make this his Tiananmen Square moment? Doubt it. Much of our military hates Justin and would not turn their guns on Canadians. As for towing? The tow companies would not dare bite the hands that feed them. They haven’t been able to find any heavy tow companies to do their dirty work yet.

[photofly]

Do you think it's possible that the people doing the protesting actually are a "wretched mob of thugs, bigots and perverts"? The people who organized the protest seemed to have a bunch of fairly unsavoury views on some of these topics. Bigots, thugs and perverts are entitled to protest COVID restrictions just like anyone else, aren't they?

No. You're simply slandering with zero proof.

If they remove the mandates, they will drive off immediately. Problem solved.

I'm not slandering anyone. I'm asking if it's a physical impossibility for anyone at all in the protest to be a thug or a bigot or a pervert.

[Impact]

“The latest survey by Maru Public Opinion finds 64 per cent approve using the Armed Forces to clear out trucks with heavy tows while 53 per cent support the use of force by Ottawa police to remove truckers, their families and others who refuse to leave. This includes the use of tear gas and other methods, with the understanding that such measures could result in injury.”


https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/02/1 ... -poll/amp/

"Asch line conformity"

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... der-bridge

A tense standoff at a US-Canadian border crossing crucial to both countries’ economies appeared to be dissolving peacefully Saturday as Canadian police moved in to disperse the nearly weeklong blockade and demonstrators began leaving without resistance.

Many demonstrators drove away from the Ambassador Bridge spanning the river between Detroit and Windsor, Ontario, as scores of police approached shortly after dawn.

So much for the brave insurrectionists. What exactly have they achieved, except shutting down various car plants for a few days, cutting the wages of quite a lot of people?

[Impact]

His comments prompted People’s Party of Canada leader Maxime Bernier to call Trudeau a “fascist psychopath.”

I don't think trudeau is a "fascist psychopath". I think he's a sociopath with strong narcissistic features. Most definitely in the cluster B.

There was a recent study that showed Washington DC had the highest rate of psychopaths, followed by Connecticut, California, New York, and New Jersey (all liberal states).

[‘Bob’]

That’s because in conservative states… all you have to do is sleep with the principal to get your child reclassified.