Truckers convoy

[pelmet]

4 weeks ago, if had brought up that the government could invoke the Emergencies Act to deal with peaceful protesters in Ottawa, you would likely have claimed that was a ridiculous argument to exaggerate as well. And I would have agreed with you. But after the recent events? Not so sure my arguments are 'ridiculous'.

As usual, you are wrong. Read this post, from 4 weeks ago. I was calling for emergency laws before they even arrived in Ottawa.

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 9#p1180869

No credibility.

And....protest lawfully.

If you do accept that protesters may break certain laws, then that avenue is closed to politicians. And that is a much much better path to walk as a society.

No thanks, I don't need 5 or 10 various fringe groups closing our borders and intentionally trying to piss off people whether they live in the 'protest' area or have their businesses shut down. We have greenies and anti-vaxxers and anti-capitalists and BLM, and whoever else just hoping to take advantage of your foolish ideas.

But all are welcome to protest in a legal way.

[digits_]

4 weeks ago, if had brought up that the government could invoke the Emergencies Act to deal with peaceful protesters in Ottawa, you would likely have claimed that was a ridiculous argument to exaggerate as well. And I would have agreed with you. But after the recent events? Not so sure my arguments are 'ridiculous'.

As usual, you are wrong. Read this post, from 4 weeks ago. I was calling for emergency laws before they even arrived in Ottawa.

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 9#p1180869

No credibility.

And....protest lawfully.

That was january 28th, 4 weeks ago would have been january 26th. But to avoid that point of discussion, let me rephrase it to "If I had brought up that the government would invoke the Emergencies Act to deal with peaceful protesters 2 months ago, you would likely have claimed that was a ridiculous argument to exaggerate as well."

If you do accept that protesters may break certain laws, then that avenue is closed to politicians. And that is a much much better path to walk as a society.

No thanks, I don't need 5 or 10 various fringe groups closing our borders and intentionally trying to piss off people whether they live in the 'protest' area or have their businesses shut down. We have greenies and anti-vaxxers and anti-capitalists and BLM, and whoever else just hoping to take advantage of your foolish ideas.

But all are welcome to protest in a legal way.

You keep bringing up the borders, and I have stated before that that is not the protest I'm talking about.

Would you rather have our approach to protesters evolve in the direction of Western-Europe, or that of China and North Korea? That's the choice we're making today. After the actions of the government, I find it unlikely the attitude towards protesters will be unaffected. It's bound to change. Which direction do you want it to go?


The concept of 'illegal' and 'legal' protests is in many ways flawed. The government decided what is legal and illegal. The protesters are protesting against the government. It's a conflict, in which one side can decide what is allowed and what not. In this situation, they are the accused, the judge and the executioner.

If you want to keep discussing this, could you tell me what aspects made the protest in Ottawa illegal?

[Aviatard]

The concept of 'illegal' and 'legal' protests is in many ways flawed. The government decided what is legal and illegal. The protesters are protesting against the government. It's a conflict, in which one side can decide what is allowed and what not.

It's really going to blow your head up when you find out what the purpose of Parliament is.

[pelmet]

4 weeks ago, if had brought up that the government could invoke the Emergencies Act to deal with peaceful protesters in Ottawa, you would likely have claimed that was a ridiculous argument to exaggerate as well. And I would have agreed with you. But after the recent events? Not so sure my arguments are 'ridiculous'.

As usual, you are wrong. Read this post, from 4 weeks ago. I was calling for emergency laws before they even arrived in Ottawa.

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 9#p1180869

No credibility.

And....protest lawfully.

That was january 28th, 4 weeks ago would have been january 26th. But to avoid that point of discussion, let me rephrase it to "If I had brought up that the government would invoke the Emergencies Act to deal with peaceful protesters 2 months ago, you would likely have claimed that was a ridiculous argument to exaggerate as well."

You make me laugh. I prove you wrong with the one month ago argument, so it is changed to 2 months ago. What if I find a similar statement by me from two months ago(which I'm sure you would point out the importance of it being only one month and 29 days ago). Then you will 're-phrase' to....what would I have said 3 months ago. It is like having a discussion with a child.

For the record, I would have been of the same opinion then as now. Declare an emergency and arrest them. If they protest lawfully without trying to ruin businesses and damage peoples quality of life....feel free to protest.

[pelmet]

Would you rather have our approach to protesters evolve in the direction of Western-Europe, or that of China and North Korea? That's the choice we're making today. After the actions of the government, I find it unlikely the attitude towards protesters will be unaffected. It's bound to change. Which direction do you want it to go?

You like the style of protest in western Europe and think we should have it over here? Here are the Covid protests in western Europe.....

Belgium....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT_iW_x_hlw

Netherlands....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O_1SXch3x0



Thanks, but maybe go back home and protest western European style over there.

Pssst....small hint....you are losing the credibility argument.

[rookiepilot]

TRUDEAU TO REVOKE EMERGENCY POWERS, CANADIAN PRESS REPORTS

Unverified --- Twitter

https://financialpost.com/news/economy/ ... 1645650283

Live press conference:

"After a difficult 2 years, we need to fight the virus -- not each other. We have a lot of healing to do"



F--- You.........................sincerely!

Was never going to pass the Senate!

[pelmet]

Weee....here is the western European style of protest that is in Digit's homeland that he would like to see over here.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmlZRMg4Hpw

Thanks buddy, I'll stick with imported wine and cheese, you can keep the protests.

[digits_]

Would you rather have our approach to protesters evolve in the direction of Western-Europe, or that of China and North Korea? That's the choice we're making today. After the actions of the government, I find it unlikely the attitude towards protesters will be unaffected. It's bound to change. Which direction do you want it to go?

You like the style of protest in western Europe and think we should have it over here? Here are the Covid protests in western Europe.....

No, but it's preferable over the North Korea option. It would be really nice and beneficial for the discussion if you were to respond to my full statements instead of picking them apart and changing their meaning.

I do not wish to go to the Western-Europe style of protesting, but due to the escalation on the government side of things these past couple of weeks, I expect us to either move to a Western-European style of protesting (where people don't give a **** about the laws while protesting) or a North Korean style (where government repression is so extreme there are no more protests). If those are the 2 choices, I would prefer the first one over the latter.

[pelmet]

Would you rather have our approach to protesters evolve in the direction of Western-Europe, or that of China and North Korea? That's the choice we're making today. After the actions of the government, I find it unlikely the attitude towards protesters will be unaffected. It's bound to change. Which direction do you want it to go?

You like the style of protest in western Europe and think we should have it over here? Here are the Covid protests in western Europe.....

No, but it's preferable over the North Korea option. It would be really nice and beneficial for the discussion if you were to respond to my full statements instead of picking them apart and changing their meaning.

I do not wish to go to the Western-Europe style of protesting, but due to the escalation on the government side of things these past couple of weeks, I expect us to either move to a Western-European style of protesting (where people don't give a **** about the laws while protesting) or a North Korean style (where government repression is so extreme there are no more protests). If those are the 2 choices, I would prefer the first one over the latter.

As far as I am concerned, you feel that a good protest is one that causes injuries and damage.

It is your decision to initiate this action.

[Inverted2]

He probably got some legal advice to tone down the dictatorship or he might end up in legal hot water himself.

Covid is basically over. Not even in the news anymore thanks to the protests and Vladimir Putin.

I would have loved another country to put sanctions against Canada due to our Vladimir Poutine’s anti democratic behaviour just to make a point. He crossed the line. Big time.

[rookiepilot]

Trudeau right now away from the camera:

"Those F-------unacceptable racist misogynistic homophobic Senators!"

[digits_]

Trudeau right now away from the camera:

"Those F-------unacceptable racist misogynistic homophobic Senators!"

Cue for CBC Ottawa articles from downtown residents making $200 K on their Macbooks:

"I don't feel safe. We need the Emergencies Act permanently"

Meh, there's only 105 of them, that's just a fringe group

[rookiepilot]

Trudeau right now away from the camera:

"Those F-------unacceptable racist misogynistic homophobic Senators!"

Cue for CBC Ottawa articles from downtown residents making $200 K on their Macbooks:

"I don't feel safe. We need the Emergencies Act permanently"

Meh, there's only 105 of them, that's just a fringe group

Lets wait for Hang em’ High Photofly and Law and Order Pelmet to opine on this development that will likely throw Canada into anarchy.

The world’s most respectful newspapers disagree.

The trashing is epic. Love it.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly- ... he-blew-it


Rex Murphy is hilarious here:


“I should end this brief appreciation of genius leadership by noting it has inspired other countries. Just today Ukraine has declared a 30-day state of emergency. This is the same length as ours, but in Ukraine’s situation it comes with a lesser threat. Just a massing of Russian soldiers on the border threatening armed invasion.”


Boy Singh looks like a fool now…..

[‘Bob’]

And.. Ford declaring the state of emergency over in Ontario as well.

How are you guys going to spin this one? No Senate threat there.


On a funny note though… today is the day that the Senate became the ally of Western Separatists.

Preston Manning is spinning in his grave.

[CpnCrunch]

Boy Singh looks like a fool now…..

And yet, it worked. Which is more than we can say for the protest itself (which was predictable at the start).

[pelmet]

Lets wait for Hang em’ High Photofly and Law and Order Pelmet to opine on this development that will likely throw Canada into anarchy.

The world’s most respectful newspapers disagree.

The trashing is epic.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly- ... he-blew-it

"The New York Times, Economist and Financial Times are all respected, upstanding, serious-minded publications with global audiences that look to them for accurate and well-informed coverage."

World's most respected newspapers? New York Times is a joke in terms of bias and I gave up on the Economist as well. Financial Times is good for general information but I can't remember for their opinion section.

Meanwhile, NYT says "“they have a right to be noisy and even disruptive. Protests are a necessary form of expression in a democratic society, particularly for those whose opinions do not command broad popular support.

“Governments have a responsibility to prevent violence by protesters, but they must be willing to accept some degree of disruption by those seeking to be heard.”

Notice how they don't say what level of disruption. Economic blockades of bridges perhaps.

Meanwhile......"Liberals may be cheered by the fact Canadians overwhelmingly approved the end to the occupation, whatever the means by which it was obtained."

Last time I looked, Trudeau was employed by Canadians, not foreign newspapers.

[photofly]

Lets wait for Hang em’ High Photofly and Law and Order Pelmet to opine on this development that will likely throw Canada into anarchy.

Let’s save some time: you write my opinion for me, then you can have a lot of fun and waste a lot of words telling me how and why I’m wrong.

I picture you as the guy on the left. I think you’d have no end of fun arguments with your companions in his situation:

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[rookiepilot]

Lets wait for Hang em’ High Photofly and Law and Order Pelmet to opine on this development that will likely throw Canada into anarchy.

The world’s most respectful newspapers disagree.

The trashing is epic.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly- ... he-blew-it

"The New York Times, Economist and Financial Times are all respected, upstanding, serious-minded publications with global audiences that look to them for accurate and well-informed coverage."

World's most respected newspapers? New York Times is a joke in terms of bias and I gave up on the Economist as well. Financial Times is good for general information but I can't remember for their opinion section.

Meanwhile, NYT says "“they have a right to be noisy and even disruptive. Protests are a necessary form of expression in a democratic society, particularly for those whose opinions do not command broad popular support.

“Governments have a responsibility to prevent violence by protesters, but they must be willing to accept some degree of disruption by those seeking to be heard.”

Notice how they don't say what level of disruption. Economic blockades of bridges perhaps.

Meanwhile......"Liberals may be cheered by the fact Canadians overwhelmingly approved the end to the occupation, whatever the means by which it was obtained."

Last time I looked, Trudeau was employed by Canadians, not foreign newspapers.

Thats right.

You guys prefer the CBC as a world standard bearer of respected journalism.

Keep the material coming.

[pelmet]

Lets wait for Hang em’ High Photofly and Law and Order Pelmet to opine on this development that will likely throw Canada into anarchy.

The world’s most respectful newspapers disagree.

The trashing is epic.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly- ... he-blew-it

"The New York Times, Economist and Financial Times are all respected, upstanding, serious-minded publications with global audiences that look to them for accurate and well-informed coverage."

World's most respected newspapers? New York Times is a joke in terms of bias and I gave up on the Economist as well. Financial Times is good for general information but I can't remember for their opinion section.

Meanwhile, NYT says "“they have a right to be noisy and even disruptive. Protests are a necessary form of expression in a democratic society, particularly for those whose opinions do not command broad popular support.

“Governments have a responsibility to prevent violence by protesters, but they must be willing to accept some degree of disruption by those seeking to be heard.”

Notice how they don't say what level of disruption. Economic blockades of bridges perhaps.

Meanwhile......"Liberals may be cheered by the fact Canadians overwhelmingly approved the end to the occupation, whatever the means by which it was obtained."

Last time I looked, Trudeau was employed by Canadians, not foreign newspapers.

Thats right.

You guys prefer the CBC as a world standard bearer of respected journalism.

Keep the material coming.

I like peace and order.

I do like the Hang 'em High PhotoFly moniker. You can call me Patrol Man Pelmet. I think I will order the equipment online. Some items like handcuffs can have multiple uses.

[rookiepilot]

And.. Ford declaring the state of emergency over in Ontario as well.

Ottawa Hasn’t. The well armed troops are still patrolling, checking innocent shoppers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/t ... -1.6360443

“ Ottawa police said they were restricting the area between Laurier Avenue, Bronson Avenue, the Rideau Canal and Parliament Hill to local traffic because of hazardous road conditions from snow — “ From Snow??

“Anyone headed into the area can expect to be stopped and asked where they're going.”

“The Portage Bridge is closed northbound and is only open southbound to essential workers who must show ID and provide a reason for heading into the city.”

Ottawa council Must have missed the PM press conference

[7ECA]

I get the impression that a fair few of the right leaning to rather obviously right-wing types are rather disappointed that the Emergencies Act has now been revoked not all that long after being invoked. Seems to undermine the whole argument that this was the first step into the descent into totalitarianism and/or communism in Canada...

Mind you, I recall hearing the same bloody tired argument back when COVID-19 first reached our shores and began running rampant and the Canadian Armed Forces were stood up to respond as required - this is the first step to all out martial law. Uh huh...

But hey, feel free to continue "holding the line" while your "leaders" scurry off either like rats from the sinking ship or to prison.

I dare say I'm happy this idiotic sideshow of moronic protests has tapered off a bit, we really 'ought to be focused on more pressing matters - Ukraine and the Russian invasion for instance; what with energy prices going haywire and the markets taking a dive, etc. That and the predicted interest rate hike of 0.25-0.5% next week ought to be interesting.

Hey Rookie, that CBC article shows bog standard Ottawa cops at a checkpoint with their hi-viz vests on and a standard duty belt. If that's "well armed troops" in your world, then I guess this is now a police state.

[rookiepilot]

I get the impression that a fair few of the right leaning to rather obviously right-wing types are rather disappointed that the Emergencies Act has now been revoked not all that long after being invoked.

What, because it was obvious the Senate wasn’t going to pass it? Good.

Give it up…..its a clown show. Well armed troops…A joke, you know.

In other events, The Ottawa Karen’s are touchy about their foreign media coverage.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/cohen ... -democracy

[WellThatAgedWell]

Trudeau just made Jagmeet look like a complete idiot.

Jagmeet basically came out not agreeing to the emergency act but said we have to vote yes. NDP votes yes, JT is like “just kidding we didn’t really need that, why the hell did you all vote yes to my idea Jagmeet?”. Well played Trudeau. I told you Trudeau is not an idiot.

NDP are tanking hard.

Trudeau also showed that for a misdemeanour he is willing to falsify an emergency and steal money from your bank account. I don’t think half of Canadians really care about that though. JT probably still has strong support. Maybe even more support now as NDP voters shift to liberal.

What does the future hold when your government is willing to pull these shenanigans? Crazy.

[rookiepilot]

"The New York Times, Economist and Financial Times are all respected, upstanding, serious-minded publications with global audiences that look to them for accurate and well-informed coverage."

World's most respected newspapers? New York Times is a joke in terms of bias and I gave up on the Economist as well. Financial Times is good for general information but I can't remember for their opinion section.

Meanwhile, NYT says "“they have a right to be noisy and even disruptive. Protests are a necessary form of expression in a democratic society, particularly for those whose opinions do not command broad popular support.

“Governments have a responsibility to prevent violence by protesters, but they must be willing to accept some degree of disruption by those seeking to be heard.”

Notice how they don't say what level of disruption. Economic blockades of bridges perhaps.

Meanwhile......"Liberals may be cheered by the fact Canadians overwhelmingly approved the end to the occupation, whatever the means by which it was obtained."

Last time I looked, Trudeau was employed by Canadians, not foreign newspapers.

Ahhhh. Trudeau has been railing about “misinformation” lately.

So like Trudeau, you’re an admirer of China?

You think to read non state-run media, like in China, you will need a VPN, so all the foreign media can’t be blocked? (As easily).

That where we should go?

Pelmet. When in a deep hole, first rule, stop digging.

[pelmet]

"The New York Times, Economist and Financial Times are all respected, upstanding, serious-minded publications with global audiences that look to them for accurate and well-informed coverage."

World's most respected newspapers? New York Times is a joke in terms of bias and I gave up on the Economist as well. Financial Times is good for general information but I can't remember for their opinion section.

Meanwhile, NYT says "“they have a right to be noisy and even disruptive. Protests are a necessary form of expression in a democratic society, particularly for those whose opinions do not command broad popular support.

“Governments have a responsibility to prevent violence by protesters, but they must be willing to accept some degree of disruption by those seeking to be heard.”

Notice how they don't say what level of disruption. Economic blockades of bridges perhaps.

Meanwhile......"Liberals may be cheered by the fact Canadians overwhelmingly approved the end to the occupation, whatever the means by which it was obtained."

Last time I looked, Trudeau was employed by Canadians, not foreign newspapers.

Ahhhh. Trudeau has been railing about “misinformation” lately.

So like Trudeau, you’re an admirer of China?

You think to read non state-run media, like in China, you will need a VPN, so all the foreign media can’t be blocked? (As easily).

That where we should go?

Pelmet. When in a deep hole, first rule, stop digging.

You are a strange man Rookie.

Meanwhile, another potential group of economic warfare protesters is worried that our wonderful Emergencies Act could be used against them....which it should if they try the same thing again......

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/fu ... d=msedgntp

The irony....the Cons would use it and the Libs would oppose it.

My vote now goes to what I feel is the least worst party.