Truckers convoy

[Aviatard]

I didn’t start this thread.

What does a truckers convoy even have to do with aviation?

What even qualifies pilots to comment on the struggles truckers have?

I have a relative and 2 close friends that are truckers. The pandemic has been hell for them.

No one cares as long as they get the pop and chips. No has given them hero pay. How about some empathy for people in a shitty job?

I would love to see a general strike. Then people would wake up a touch.

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[rookiepilot]

Frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of listening to the "outrage" from a handful of loudmouths whom still think their freedom has been infringed upon (or that the media is unfairly portraying a bunch of wannabe insurrectionists, fascists, and seditionists as anything other than what they really are) when there's a fucking illegal war being waged with civilians being murdered and forced to flee in unprecedented numbers - all the while Europe's largest nuclear power plant is being shelled and on fire... etc.

Gosh, who instigated the actions, for years, directly leading to this illegal war, ignoring numerous explicit warnings?

Man, you are naive! Stop drinking the kool-aid! You are being played!

[photofly]

Long on Russian assets, are we?

[7ECA]

Gosh, who instigated the actions, for years, directly leading to this illegal war, ignoring numerous explicit warnings?

Man, you are naive! Stop drinking the kool-aid! You are being played!

Oh the irony...

[rookiepilot]

Long on Russian assets, are we?

Unbelievable.

I don’t receive comments from obviously blind Trudeau cheerleaders, stick to making donuts in the sky with 172’s. Sure you’re good at that.

Really.

[rookiepilot]

Gosh, who instigated the actions, for years, directly leading to this illegal war, ignoring numerous explicit warnings?

Man, you are naive! Stop drinking the kool-aid! You are being played!

Oh the irony...

Oh the Naïveté….

[7ECA]

Oh the Naïveté….

I guess you'd prefer to believe the myth that Ukraine is not a sovereign nation at all, but rather a historical mistake cooked up by the neo-nazis and military hawks whom prefer to see poor benevolent Russia left always looking over her shoulder then?

I hate to break it to you, and those whom have been continually ignorant of the motivations of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, but he quite clearly spelled out his vision of a renewed Imperial Russia (not a Soviet Russia - as there was a thin veneer of anti-corruption) back early on during his term as Yeltsin's Prime Minister. But, continue to claim that Ukraine which up until recently was merely a post-Soviet backwater of Russophile sycophant politicians whom kowtowed to Moscow's every whim (including walking away from EU membership in 2013 - you may recall the Maidan Protests/Revolution) has somehow brought this illegal war and invasion upon themselves for finally looking Westward and towards a future that a majority of citizens desire.

[photofly]

Long on Russian assets, are we?

Unbelievable.

I don’t receive comments from obviously blind Trudeau cheerleaders, stick to making donuts in the sky with 172’s. Sure you’re good at that.

Really.

I’m curious. Why are you trying to label and belittle me?

[rookiepilot]

Long on Russian assets, are we?

Unbelievable.

I don’t receive comments from obviously blind Trudeau cheerleaders, stick to making donuts in the sky with 172’s. Sure you’re good at that.

Really.

I’m curious. Why are you trying to label and belittle me?

I’d take a hard look at your comment to me, PF.

[pelmet]

Oh the Naïveté….

I guess you'd prefer to believe the myth that Ukraine is not a sovereign nation at all, but rather a historical mistake cooked up by the neo-nazis and military hawks whom prefer to see poor benevolent Russia left always looking over her shoulder then?

I hate to break it to you, and those whom have been continually ignorant of the motivations of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, but he quite clearly spelled out his vision of a renewed Imperial Russia (not a Soviet Russia - as there was a thin veneer of anti-corruption) back early on during his term as Yeltsin's Prime Minister. But, continue to claim that Ukraine which up until recently was merely a post-Soviet backwater of Russophile sycophant politicians whom kowtowed to Moscow's every whim (including walking away from EU membership in 2013 - you may recall the Maidan Protests/Revolution) has somehow brought this illegal war and invasion upon themselves for finally looking Westward and towards a future that a majority of citizens desire.

It has been obvious from soon after he came to power that Putin has been a tgreat(and the Russian people).

The reality is that the people who actually kowtowed to have are the ones who enabled him to be in this strategic position of having the west literally financing his war.

Those who were foolish enough to literally attack the energy producing infrastructure of western nations like Canada and Germany among many others and replace it with Russian energy.

We were warned about this for years but those who became followers of a 16 year old girl refused to listen. They called the people who warned about were demonized as horrible people and even racist.

When one votes for policies that have enabled this war, they are in effect, the sycophants that Putin truly needs.

[rookiepilot]

Oh the Naïveté….

I guess you'd prefer to believe the myth that Ukraine is not a sovereign nation at all, but rather a historical mistake cooked up by the neo-nazis and military hawks whom prefer to see poor benevolent Russia left always looking over her shoulder then?

I hate to break it to you, and those whom have been continually ignorant of the motivations of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, but he quite clearly spelled out his vision of a renewed Imperial Russia (not a Soviet Russia - as there was a thin veneer of anti-corruption) back early on during his term as Yeltsin's Prime Minister. But, continue to claim that Ukraine which up until recently was merely a post-Soviet backwater of Russophile sycophant politicians whom kowtowed to Moscow's every whim (including walking away from EU membership in 2013 - you may recall the Maidan Protests/Revolution) has somehow brought this illegal war and invasion upon themselves for finally looking Westward and towards a future that a majority of citizens desire.

You have an amazing ability to put words in my mouth. Seems epidemic here.

[photofly]

Unbelievable.

I don’t receive comments from obviously blind Trudeau cheerleaders, stick to making donuts in the sky with 172’s. Sure you’re good at that.

Really.

I’m curious. Why are you trying to label and belittle me?

I’d take a hard look at your comment to me, PF.

I asked whether you were invested in Russia. It’s not an insult or a label, and it’s relevant to the topic you last posted about.
Why are you keen on labeling and belittling me?

[rookiepilot]

I’m curious. Why are you trying to label and belittle me?

I’d take a hard look at your comment to me, PF.

I asked whether you were invested in Russia. It’s not an insult or a label, and it’s relevant to the topic you last posted about.
Why are you keen on labeling and belittling me?

Ask yourself the same. Your implication was offensive and you know it.

[photofly]

It sounds from what you wrote that you feel everyone but the Russian side is responsible for the war in Ukraine. I wondered why you might think that. If that's not the case, it would be helpful to hear what you mean by

Gosh, who instigated the actions, for years, directly leading to this illegal war, ignoring numerous explicit warnings?

Who do you feel instigated the actions directly leading to this illegal war?

[rookiepilot]

It sounds from what you wrote that you feel everyone but the Russian side is responsible for the war in Ukraine. I wondered why you might think that. If that's not the case, it would be helpful to hear what you mean by

Gosh, who instigated the actions, for years, directly leading to this illegal war, ignoring numerous explicit warnings?

Who do you feel instigated the actions directly leading to this illegal war?

You’re too late.

You should have asked that before making your offensive assumptions about why I posted what I did to get a laugh. Not funny.

It may be the way you think, though. Shallow. Not me.

Done.

[photofly]

So we're left with the unambiguous understanding you do feel that everyone but Russia is at fault here, and you don't want to dispel that idea. Ok. Are you invested in Russia? Serious question. I wouldn't blame you - I don't think most people understood what a monster Putin is until this last couple of weeks.

[rookiepilot]

So we're left with the unambiguous understanding you do feel that everyone but Russia is at fault here, and you don't want to dispel that idea. Ok. Are you invested in Russia? Serious question.

I never said everyone but Russia is at fault.

Here’s a clue: Would you, as an American in government, be fine with Russia building bases with nuclear weapons in Mexico on the Texas border?

Yes or no?

History has answered that question already.

And that’s another thing. Just stop putting words in everyone’s mouth.

[photofly]

You're still answering questions with more questions, and I'm still confused. Forgive me.
Are you saying the USA is directly responsible for the war in Ukraine?

DId the USA build bases with nuclear weapons in Ukraine? DId I miss that? As far as I know, the last nuclear weapons in Ukraine were Soviet, and they were removed thirty years ago.

This is from Dmitry Peskov, Russian Foreign Minister, quoted on Russia Today. Do you broadly accept his points?

Speaking as part of an interview with Sky News Arabia on Friday, Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov set out Russia’s objectives in the Eastern European nation.

“After the 2014 coup d’état, Ukraine has become influenced by Nazi ideology. We want to free her from this ideology,” he claimed.

Peskov went on, arguing that “the presence of NATO infrastructure in Ukraine has increased, which directly threatens the security of Russia.” Moscow has repeatedly called Kiev’s incorporation into the military bloc a “red line.”

“We do not aim to divide Ukrainian territory into parts, but seek to ensure guarantees of our own security,” the Kremlin spokesman stated.

Peskov also said that Moscow bore the responsibility for ensuring the safety of civilians in the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics after the Kremlin affirmed their sovereignty last month. The two breakaway territories in the Donbass are home to a large proportion of ethnic Russians and are largely Russophone regions. Moscow has issued more than 700,000 Russian passports to people living in the separatist-held republics.

He went on to allege that Kiev had been planning an attack on the two republics, and insisted that Russia had to step in and demilitarize Ukraine to protect them.

Russia declares temporary ceasefire in UkraineREAD MORE: Russia declares temporary ceasefire in Ukraine
The broadside from Peskov comes as representatives from Moscow and Kiev are preparing to hold a third round of peace talks. On Thursday, the two sides met in Belarus and discussed creating humanitarian corridors that would allow the evacuation of civilians from cities across the Eastern European nation.

Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine on February 24. According to the Kremlin, the goal of the intervention is “to protect the people [of the Donbass] who have been tortured for eight years by the Ukrainian regime.” It came after requests from the leaders of the republics for assistance in combatting what they claimed was an uptick in “aggression” from Kiev’s armed forces.

Does it ring true for you?

[Aviatard]

You're still answering questions with more questions, and I'm still confused. Forgive me.

You may have noticed rookie never directly answers a question, especially when it dawns on him that doing so would make him look foolish. Instead it’s attacking or stamping his foot and insisting it’s too late now. You know, like a toddler does.

[photofly]

I think he values cynicism as a good in its own right, instead of as one of a range of tools to interpret what we read about the world around us. That is, if there's a cynical view of the world and a trusting one, the cynical one is to be preferred merely because it is cynical.

[‘Bob’]

The problem with so many people is they see things in black and white. Good and bad.

Now.. this sub is only entertainment for me.. and I love throwing gasoline on the absolute dumpster fire that it is.

But if you are serious about it and say something like “this is wrong, this is why, therefore, this.” Then you are most likely grossly oversimplifying something and you have a stake in your honour or reputation. It’s a false dilemma.

Look at rookie demanding a yes or no answer to nuclear weapons being placed somewhere. Politics doesn’t work like that. It’s far more complex and nuanced and even those who don’t have to deal with things like elections and popularity and free speech cannot anticipate what a single direct action will cause.. as Putin is now finding out.

Even with Cuba. Cuba placed missiles there because it felt threatened from the US who had already sponsored a failed invasion of the country. The US had already placed missiles in Turkey right on the border with the Soviet Union. The US maybe didn’t like it.. but they couldn’t just invade. They knew that even a blockade is considered an Act of War (here that.. truckers?). So they used the word “Quarantine”. They had to come up with a solution that allowed both nations to save face and that was getting the “victory” of the Soviets removing the missiles from Cuba.. while months later they would quietly remove their obsolete Jupiter missiles from Turkey.

The problem is that when you say “this is wrong, therefore this”… you paint yourself into a corner. It’s an indefensible position. You can only deflect or cry whataboutism or “kill them with silence”.

You can’t answer a simple logical string of questions.

Gas prices are a perfect example of this. Why is Canada paying so much for gas now even though it’s an energy powerhouse?

You will turn the most staunch conservative or libertarian into a socialist or communist just by continuing to ask escalating questions of what they would do to make Canada Energy independent. Turns out most of the upstream producers don’t want to sell oil to Canadians, nor the do downstream producers want to buy Canadian oil… barring massive government interference.

[tsgarp]

Oh the Naïveté….

I guess you'd prefer to believe the myth that Ukraine is not a sovereign nation at all, but rather a historical mistake cooked up by the neo-nazis and military hawks whom prefer to see poor benevolent Russia left always looking over her shoulder then?

I hate to break it to you, and those whom have been continually ignorant of the motivations of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, but he quite clearly spelled out his vision of a renewed Imperial Russia (not a Soviet Russia - as there was a thin veneer of anti-corruption) back early on during his term as Yeltsin's Prime Minister. But, continue to claim that Ukraine which up until recently was merely a post-Soviet backwater of Russophile sycophant politicians whom kowtowed to Moscow's every whim (including walking away from EU membership in 2013 - you may recall the Maidan Protests/Revolution) has somehow brought this illegal war and invasion upon themselves for finally looking Westward and towards a future that a majority of citizens desire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

How do I put this in terms you will understand? With ref to Ukraine, pretty much every leader involved in that situation for the last decade is an asshole. Putin, he's an asshole for invading. The west (Obama, the Clintons, Biden etc...) are assholes for facilitating the conditions in Ukraine which lead Putin to see no choice other than invasion.

Putin has staked his political life on the restoration of Russia to a great power status. This goal is simply not compatible with having a NATO member state parked right on your doorstep. It would be the equivalent of the Mexicans signing a defence treaty with the CHICOMS and inviting them to station an army group in Juarez. Add to that the fact that Ukraine served as the invasion path for the Germans in both world wars (those invasions, incidentally, still play a large part in shaping the collective Russian psyche) and Napoleon (who was really just a French Hitler), and you will find that Putin enjoys a surprising amount of support from his own people for the invasion.

None of the above info is classified; it, along with a whole lot more, was available to the Western leaders who kept pushing Ukraine towards NATO membership. They knew that doing so would push Putin into a position where he either looked weak to his countrymen (which would be the end of him) or he invaded. Western leaders did what they did knowing it would provoke this situation. As I said at the beginning, everybody involved is an asshole.

[photofly]

I'm pretty sure the citizens of Ukraine themselves decided whether they wanted to look east or west, back in 2013. Are they all assholes, too?

[7ECA]

I'm pretty sure the citizens of Ukraine themselves decided whether they wanted to look east or west, back in 2013. Are they all assholes, too?

Yeah no kidding. I'm getting rather sick of hearing the Putin apologists find all sorts of morally ambiguous arguments to justify an illegal war.

One of the few positives, as it were, is the fact that every military the world over will be taking a very close look at their own logistical arrangements and ensuring that in the event of a conflict they will actually be prepared to feed and fuel their forces - in addition to taking careful stock in the morale of their troops.

As for the average Ukrainian, I dare say they've shown their mettle rather remarkably. Frankly, we could move mountains and solve many of the great problems facing the world if we all banded together and showed the same solidarity and resolve as those poor buggers facing rockets, mortars and shells.

[tsgarp]

I'm pretty sure the citizens of Ukraine themselves decided whether they wanted to look east or west, back in 2013. Are they all assholes, too?

Nope, but the leaders that sold them on their current course of action, knowing full well that this is where it would end up, are a different story.