CpnCrunch wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:00 am
altiplano wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 9:23 am
Are you asserting that vaccines save a large percentage of lives?
Because people at risk of a serious outcome were already a very small percentage without the vaccine.
Most people, particularly those without comorbidities, that took a vaccine would not have had a serious outcome had they contracted SARS-CoV-2 unvaccinated. That's a fact. Also we know that these vaccines did not prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2. That's a fact. Also we know that most people will get SARS-CoV-2 anyway in spite of extremely high uptake in the population. That's a fact. So are they doing all that much? I guess that's subjective.
Did these vaccines have a role in protecting some of the vulnerable population from a serious outcome? Sure. But it's correct that it's a small percentage of lives. That's a fact.
That's not true. The "vulnerable group" is basically everyone over 50:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... #AgeAndSex
And prior to Omicron, vaccines led to a 90+ % reduction in mortality from covid:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane ... le/2785597
So I'm not sure why you feel the need to continue posting this ridiculous unsupported crap here.
It's straight math. You aren't grasping that most people weren't at significant risk from SARS-CoV-2, vaccine or not.
Pre-vaccine the death rate was so low to be statistically insignificant among everyone except vulnerable people, old people, and those with comorbidities. Even among those vulnerable people and those in poor health it was on a track not too different than other illnesses that could affect them seriously, respiratory illnesses, norovirus, and others. It certainly wasn't a death sentence though and death rates were in the low single digit percentage range or even lower dependant on unrecognized statistical errors like undiagnosed asymptomatic cases that didn't present, and misdiagnosed cases that were assumed as covid but weren't, and of those many of course died with SARS-CoV-2 not from Covid.
So given that adverse outcomes already affected a very small percentage of an already small section of the the population it's incorrect to say that the vaccines made a difference for a "large percentage of people" unless by large percentage you mean less than 1% of the population.
Lots of people who would have otherwise had an adverse outcome, sure, but that was already a small percentage of all people. For most people it didn't make much of a difference, it and it didn't stop them from contracting or spreading it.
