Vote to end restrictions

[CpnCrunch]

There are 2 numbers there - "Last" and "Previous"

There's a delta there. And that's your rise from the last to current indicator.

Canada leads all in the Western hemisphere in terms of actual amount of increase and percentage between the two. We are second highest cost.

It's your source. Picture and link are there.

Did you actually calculate the delta? If you did you'd see they are identical. Note that in your screenshot the delta is 1.08 for USA and 1.10 for Canada for that particular point in time, but if you look at the delta over the past 6 months it is the same for USA and Canada as I mentioned above. I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to argue, but you're failing miserably.

[altiplano]

There are 2 numbers there - "Last" and "Previous"

There's a delta there. And that's your rise from the last to current indicator.

Canada leads all in the Western hemisphere in terms of actual amount of increase and percentage between the two. We are second highest cost.

It's your source. Picture and link are there.

Did you actually calculate the delta? If you did you'd see they are identical. Note that in your screenshot the delta is 1.08 for USA and 1.10 for Canada for that particular point in time, but if you look at the delta over the past 6 months it is the same for USA and Canada as I mentioned above. I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to argue, but you're failing miserably.

I don't think so.

8% vs. 10% increase during that time? That's a 25% difference.

9¢ vs. 15¢ increase?

That's a 66% larger increase per liter to the consumer.

You are also fixed on one country.

Once again, my statement:

Canadian gas prices are up more than the cost of the commodity itself has risen on world markets and up more than in other economies.

All true. Canada has the second highest gas prices in the Western hemisphere, for a country with one of the world's largest oil and gas reserves. Energy and petroleum are our largest industry in this country and Canadians are hosed on prices all while Canadian crude trades at a discount and we import Saudi oil.

I mean that is the site you said your numbers are from, I'm just going with what you pointed me to... and unlike you I'm actually providing the data here to back my statement.

Provide the direct link and details of your data please.

[CpnCrunch]

8% vs. 10% increase during that time? That's a 25% difference.

Only for those particular days, but if you look at a longer period of time there is no difference. If you look at the price graphs you see that the US/Canada prices fluctuate a few % every day...sometimes the price of one lags the other. Sometimes the US price goes up more than in Canada, and vice versa.

[altiplano]

8% vs. 10% increase during that time? That's a 25% difference.

Only for those particular days, but if you look at a longer period of time there is no difference. If you look at the price graphs you see that the US/Canada prices fluctuate a few % every day...sometimes the price of one lags the other. Sometimes the US price goes up more than in Canada, and vice versa.

Keep towing the party line.

Canada, second highest gasoline prices in the Western hemisphere. Fact.

Also, why are you so focused on arguing on US prices? Another country with a reckless spending record. My statement was "world markets and other economies" not specifically the United States.

[photofly]

Canada, second highest gasoline prices in the Western hemisphere. Fact.

BS.

A dozen or more European countries and the UK are no longer in the Western Hemisphere?

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gaso ... es/Europe/

[altiplano]

Canada, second highest gasoline prices in the Western hemisphere. Fact.

BS.

A dozen or more European countries and the UK are no longer in the Western Hemisphere?

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gaso ... es/Europe/

Semantics. New world then. I posted the numbers above.

[photofly]

Canada, second highest gasoline prices in the Western hemisphere. Fact.

BS.

A dozen or more European countries and the UK are no longer in the Western Hemisphere?

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gaso ... es/Europe/

Semantics. New world then. I posted the numbers above.

Lol. So, on a select list of places all but one of which have lower gasoline price than Canada, Canada has the second highest price of gasoline. Amazing. What point are you trying to make, again?

[WellThatAgedWell]

This guy follows science. Thank you to all the covidians who vote liberal so we can live in this clown world. Up next this guy will tell us to keep masking for monkey pox.

This summer will be completely fucked at Pearson.



I wear a condom 24/7 to make sure I don’t get anyone pregnant
I wear a a raincoat 24/7 to make sure I don’t get rained on
I wear steel toed boots 24/7 to make sure I don’t stub my toe

Safety first! Always… and anyone who disagree with me is anti science. I can prove this increases my margins of safety.

[BTD]

Canada, second highest gasoline prices in the Western hemisphere. Fact.

BS.

A dozen or more European countries and the UK are no longer in the Western Hemisphere?

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gaso ... es/Europe/

Semantics. New world then. I posted the numbers above.

Europe and the UK are not in the Western Hemisphere. Considered part of the “west” yes. But not hemisphere.

[photofly]

BS.

A dozen or more European countries and the UK are no longer in the Western Hemisphere?

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gaso ... es/Europe/

Semantics. New world then. I posted the numbers above.

Europe and the UK are not in the Western Hemisphere. Considered part of the “west” yes. But not hemisphere.

You'll know there's a northern hemisphere, because there's a north pole, and a southern hemisphere, because there's a south pole. But there's no east pole, or west pole, so the "western hemisphere" isn't a thing, right?

And if you try to tell me it is a thing, then let me ask you, western in relation to what? Because if you keep going west long enough, you get to the "east", which Europe definitely isn't. And if it isn't east, it must be west.

[altiplano]

Semantics and bullshit. That's all you got.

[photofly]

I don't think so.

I just came back from a short trip to the UK, where unleaded is CAD$3.15 per litre. People there look at Canadian gas prices with envy, and would wonder what on earth you're moaning about.

It’s your positive choice to compare Canada to countries against which Canada compares unfavourably.

[Inverted2]

Yes gas has always been expensive in the UK, but their country is a fraction of the size. They also have real public transit. There is no public transit where I live. Their climate, especially winters aren’t as harsh so they can ride bikes.

[FL320]

I don't think so.

I just came back from a short trip to the UK, where unleaded is CAD$3.15 per litre. People there look at Canadian gas prices with envy, and would wonder what on earth you're moaning about.

It’s your positive choice to compare Canada to countries against which Canada compares unfavourably.

It’s 1,78£/L, they are not paid in $CAD so your argument and their envy are irrelevant. My sister in law earns 130k£ in the UK for a job that would pay 130k$CAD here; she pays 2000£ for the mortgage…not 3600$ CAD. Compare 1:1 or convert the disposable income too (use the median salary for each country).
In short: more than 1,78$CAD/L = I look at their fuel price with envy!

[BTD]

Semantics. New world then. I posted the numbers above.

Europe and the UK are not in the Western Hemisphere. Considered part of the “west” yes. But not hemisphere.

You'll know there's a northern hemisphere, because there's a north pole, and a southern hemisphere, because there's a south pole. But there's no east pole, or west pole, so the "western hemisphere" isn't a thing, right?

And if you try to tell me it is a thing, then let me ask you, western in relation to what? Because if you keep going west long enough, you get to the "east", which Europe definitely isn't. And if it isn't east, it must be west.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Western-Hemisphere

“Western Hemisphere, part of Earth comprising North and South America and the surrounding waters. Longitudes 20° W and 160° E are often considered its boundaries. Some geographers, however, define the Western Hemisphere as being the half of Earth that lies west of the Greenwich meridian (prime meridian, 0° longitude) continuing to the 180th meridian. According to this scheme, the Western Hemisphere includes not only North and South America but also portions of Africa, Europe, Antarctica, and Asia.”

“In geopolitical terms, the context in which the term is most often used, the Encyclopedia Britannica defines it as "North and South America and the surrounding waters. Longitudes 20°W and 160°E are often considered its boundaries."

[photofly]

I don't think so.

I just came back from a short trip to the UK, where unleaded is CAD$3.15 per litre. People there look at Canadian gas prices with envy, and would wonder what on earth you're moaning about.

It’s your positive choice to compare Canada to countries against which Canada compares unfavourably.

It’s 1,78£/L, they are not paid in $CAD so your argument and their envy are irrelevant. My sister in law earns 130k£ in the UK for a job that would pay 130k$CAD here; she pays 2000£ for the mortgage…not 3600$ CAD. Compare 1:1 or convert the disposable income too (use the median salary for each country).
In short: more than 1,78$CAD/L = I look at their fuel price with envy!

Well *my* sister-in-law earns the same wage in London as she would for the same job in Canada. And pays four times the mortgage for a 700 sq.ft. flat than she would in Toronto. Fuel in London on Saturday was GBP1.86 per litre.

Again, you're cherry picking your data and your methods to suit your argument. Which is your right to do. But don't get squiffy when I point that out.

So, for fairness, let's hear your comparison about cost of living, and disposable income in all those other "Western Hemisphere" countries that you want Canada to look poor against: how does the price of gas compare with disposable income in Guatemala, Jamaica, Chile, Nicaragua, or Puerto Rico, if those countries have such cheap gas that Canada should be ashamed?

convert the disposable income too (use the median salary for each country).

Median income in Guatemala is about USD$15,000. Guess that gas doesn't look quite so cheap now?

[FL320]

You want me to compare Canada to other 3rd world countries instead of 1st world countries? So glad I am leaving this country, I have no faith in the future here…

[altiplano]

"Cherry picking"

Versus you latching on to semantics, and being wrong at that...

I remember when I first started going to the Europe around 30 years ago, I mostly spent time in Switzerland and France, gas was basically exactly double the price of here.

Now? Average price premium gas (95 octane):
Switzerland: 1.97 chf (2.55 cad)
France : 1.89 eur (2.54 cad)
Canada: 2.25 cad

How times have changed, certainly not double anymore.
source: https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/countries/

Not to mention these countries import to meet almost all of their energy needs versus Canada is the 5th largest oil producer in the world.

And as mentioned, the vast difference in size of these countries, access to public transport, intercity transport, climate differences, average wages, taxation differences... leaves us on the short end of the stick regards to meeting public needs.

Bottom line is that inflation and taxation and public services and infrastructure are being mismanaged by this government.

And to circle back to the topic of this thread: Vote to end restrictions - which all the Libs and NDP save one voted to extend - continued restrictions which are no longer justified by any expert publicly are hurting this country, our citizens, and our reputation in the world.

Perspective from the globalist, elitist bubble is very different from the average people trying to make it work.

[photofly]

You want me to compare Canada to other 3rd world countries instead of 1st world countries? So glad I am leaving this country, I have no faith in the future here…

I don’t want you to compare Canada at all. I wasn’t the one who introduced the comparison.

[digits_]

Jeesh, there are some creative calculations going on here.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country
Surprise, Canada has a higher median and mean income than most European countries.

So you have a *higher* income and a *lower* absolute fuel price. Which means that fuel prices are actually cheaper in Canada than in Europe. Both in absolute values as in perceived cost.


So yeah, time to accept the horrible conclusion that we are *not* the worst off, and that there are people that have more right to complain about the economic realities than us.


Sorry eh.

[rookiepilot]

You guys don’t get it. End the restrictions?

What are you, a bunch of misogynistic racist homophobics?

Follow the science! And shut up. We are in charge!

(I googled “follow the science”. This is the most recent Liberal statement that came up)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conser ... -1.6396233


NDP MP Don Davies, the party's health critic, said withdrawing vaccine mandates now would be "irresponsible" and "harmful to the health of Canadians."

Liberal MP Kevin Lamoureux, the parliamentary secretary to the government House leader, called the Conservative motion "stupid."

"The Conservatives can't click their heels together and wish the pandemic would come to an end," he said, saying the party has become a "far-right" movement that panders to anti-vaccine elements.


Addressing the Commons on the motion, Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos said the government is aware of how disruptive some of these restrictions have been for Canadians over the past two years — but he suggested that with the highly transmissible Omicron variant and its subvariant, BA.2, in circulation, it's too soon to drop all restrictions now.

"We do want to put COVID behind us but we can't take our success for granted," Duclos said. "COVID-19 is still very much present in Canada and we must be cautious. The epidemiological situation in Canada is improving but it is unstable. We must not let our guard down."

[rookiepilot]

Partial. Temporary. Don’t hold your breath.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ ... ules-mount

Some highlighted quotes though on Trudeaus continued stance:

Transport Minister Omar Alghabra has faced a barrage of criticism for his government’s perceived inaction, with politicians, industry groups and airlines all calling for the government to remove restrictions.

(Isn’t this just “inexperienced traveller’s”?)

Tam says 4 shots. Minimum.

Canada’s chief public health officer, Dr. Theresa Tam, said Friday that two doses is not enough to protect people anymore.

“Two doses is not enough to provide vaccine effectiveness against Omicron infection,” she said. “You need a booster, or a third dose rather, to bring that immunity back up.”

And, its all the Conservatives fault. Again.

Parliamentary Secretary for Health and Liberal MP Adam van Koeverden accused the Conservatives of being “in denial” about the COVID-19 pandemic.

“While we are in a much better place today than we were previously, this pandemic is not over and we must be prepared for any potential future scenarios,”

This is today!

[Inverted2]

The Lieberals can take their booster shots and shove them. How the hell do these morons keep getting elected? They're just going to push more people out of the workforce and fuel the phoney vax paper industry that much more.

[rookiepilot]

The Lieberals can take their booster shots and shove them. How the hell do these morons keep getting elected? They're just going to push more people out of the workforce and fuel the phoney vax paper industry that much more.

Gee, This site LOVES Trudeau. Science and the Hair, too.

[WellThatAgedWell]

I love all are politicians in Canada who are willing to tax me to keep me safe. Trudeau handing money to switch health with his little under the table kick backs… mhmmm I love the Covid testing because it keeps me safe. Doug Fords apps and bracelets, please tax me more so you can invent something new that keeps me safe.

In fact, if I could just give all my pay cheque to the government so they could find ways to keep me safe I would be happy. We need more rules, more safety, more SOPs. Why don’t you guys want to follow the SOPs? Right?

You guys think we need to remove restrictions? Are you kidding me? Let’s talk about the science and facts. Cases in Canada are reported higher today than on the same date in 2020, and 2021 combined. So we are vaccinated right? Here is another fact! 2 shots is useless against Covid, you need a perpetual cycle of boosters bi monthly to have any noticeable protection. Millions of Canadians are past 6 months from their second shot, they are basically unvaccinated as far as science is concerned. Remove restrictions? Ha! We need more restrictions guys! Be consistent… if you thought we needed face diapers when Covid cases were a third of what they are today, how could you even consider dropping these policies.

Why is it the covidians quietly disappeared and don’t advocate with the liberal government anymore? Aren’t you guys going to come out and preach the JT science book and defend his Covid policies. If the policy made sense 6 months ago certainly it makes sense today right? If the policy was effective 6 months ago, certainly it’s effective today right? Or was this all just bullshit theatre, manipulation and transfer of wealth with gov contracts and our stolen tax dollars. Canada is clown land .