Liberals finally ending the vax mandate for travel

[WellThatAgedWell]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/govern ... -1.6487585

The political science has changed.

[Bil Derberg]

Hopefully this means that us who are unclean, can finally go back to work

[Inverted2]

And just like that the Sc!3Nc3 has changed.

Either Trudy got saline shots and was never vaccinated and got the plague twice in 5 months or it proves once and for all the vaccines are completely useless and the jig is finally up on this 2 year hoax.

[GhostRider6]

Hopefully this means that us who are unclean, can finally go back to work

Unfortunately, yes, so you’re free to infect others/ spread disease and put others lives in danger instead of doing the socially responsible thing and getting vaxed.

[Big Pistons Forever]

And just like that the Sc!3Nc3 has changed.

Either Trudy got saline shots and was never vaccinated and got the plague twice in 5 months or it proves once and for all the vaccines are completely useless and the jig is finally up on this 2 year hoax.

No the inconvenient fact that the anti vaccine folks refuse to acknowledge is that vaccines are remarkably effective at keeping you out of the hospital if you get COVID. That way people with cancer, traumatic injuries, and others with medical needs can access care, instead of having all the beds taken up by selfish people with COVID who refused to get vaccinated.

Fortunately the various vaccine mandates caused a lot of the anti vaccine crowd to get vaccinated as soon as their “choice” actually resulted in a personal inconvenience.

It was great public health policy that succeeded and therefore is no longer needed

[GhostRider6]

And just like that the Sc!3Nc3 has changed.

Either Trudy got saline shots and was never vaccinated and got the plague twice in 5 months or it proves once and for all the vaccines are completely useless and the jig is finally up on this 2 year hoax.

No the inconvenient fact that the anti vaccine folks refuse to acknowledge is that vaccines are remarkably effective at keeping you out of the hospital if you get COVID. That way people with cancer, traumatic injuries, and others with medical needs can access care, instead of having all the beds taken up by selfish people with COVID who refused to get vaccinated.

Fortunately the various vaccine mandates caused a lot of the anti vaccine crowd to get vaccinated as soon as their “choice” actually resulted in a personal inconvenience.

It was great public health policy that succeeded and therefore is no longer needed

I disagree slightly. I do foresee a major jump in cases after this..

Honestly, those who possess an aeronautical license and choose not to get vaccinated should be mandated to attend a rigorous psychological evaluation to screen for cluster b personality disorders and or delusional disorders ..

Paranoia, selfishness, lack of/ mistrust in science, distortion campaigns are not what I want to get on a plane with…unfortunately now these folks are back in the flight deck… which is truly scary.

[Inverted2]

And just like that the Sc!3Nc3 has changed.

Either Trudy got saline shots and was never vaccinated and got the plague twice in 5 months or it proves once and for all the vaccines are completely useless and the jig is finally up on this 2 year hoax.

No the inconvenient fact that the anti vaccine folks refuse to acknowledge is that vaccines are remarkably effective at keeping you out of the hospital if you get COVID. That way people with cancer, traumatic injuries, and others with medical needs can access care, instead of having all the beds taken up by selfish people with COVID who refused to get vaccinated.

Fortunately the various vaccine mandates caused a lot of the anti vaccine crowd to get vaccinated as soon as their “choice” actually resulted in a personal inconvenience.

It was great public health policy that succeeded and therefore is no longer needed

I disagree slightly. I do foresee a major jump in cases after this..

Honestly, those who possess an aeronautical license and choose not to get vaccinated should be mandated to attend a rigorous psychological evaluation to screen for cluster b personality disorders and or delusional disorders ..

Paranoia, selfishness, lack of/ mistrust in science, distortion campaigns are not what I want to get on a plane with…unfortunately now these folks are back in the flight deck… which is truly scary.

Are you two going to stay at home now that the airports could be teeming with the unwashed plague rats? Maybe wear a face shield with goggles and a couple N95s just to be safe? Your hero boy Justin likely broke several of his own rules by flying home from the US while down with the ‘rona.

[Inverted2]

And just like that the Sc!3Nc3 has changed.

Either Trudy got saline shots and was never vaccinated and got the plague twice in 5 months or it proves once and for all the vaccines are completely useless and the jig is finally up on this 2 year hoax.

No the inconvenient fact that the anti vaccine folks refuse to acknowledge is that vaccines are remarkably effective at keeping you out of the hospital if you get COVID. That way people with cancer, traumatic injuries, and others with medical needs can access care, instead of having all the beds taken up by selfish people with COVID who refused to get vaccinated.

Fortunately the various vaccine mandates caused a lot of the anti vaccine crowd to get vaccinated as soon as their “choice” actually resulted in a personal inconvenience.

It was great public health policy that succeeded and therefore is no longer needed

That’s completely false. Back when Ontario gave daily stats usually about 75% of those hospitalized were triple or quadruple vaccinated.

[Bil Derberg]

Hopefully this means that us who are unclean, can finally go back to work

Unfortunately, yes, so you’re free to infect others/ spread disease and put others lives in danger instead of doing the socially responsible thing and getting vaxed.

I'm really hoping that your response was satire. Because there is no way that someone can possibly be that retarded. The vaccine doesnt prevent you from spreading covid.

[WellThatAgedWell]

No the inconvenient fact that the anti vaccine folks refuse to acknowledge is that vaccines are remarkably effective at keeping you out of the hospital if you get COVID.

Just so we can understand you better.

What is the probability of an unvaccinated person under 40 being hospitalized for Covid vs vaccinated person under 40 being hospitalized.

If you don’t want to speak in probability, I don’t think I really buy that the vaccines are “remarkably effective” in my opinion anyways. For most it’s probably a toss up that it makes any difference at all. It is likely the vaccines make a bigger difference in those who are higher risk, and older.

All the chaos the government created, all this policy, for a mostly mild disease. No wonder the antivax movement is taking off, it’s really your attitude that drives it. Sad really, as if we could measure where we would be today if we had voluntary vaccines rather than mandates, the benefits would have outweighed the cost. The economic benefits, social benefit, in my opinion would outweigh any downside to having a voluntary vaccine. How many lives would have been lost in Canada if we had a voluntary vaccine with zero mandates vs the policy we have just lived through? Do you ever think to measure it? And really if there was any sacrifices for a lenient voluntary basis policy don’t you think it’s those who made a choice not to get vaccinated would have been the ones to suffer most? You must believe that if the vaccine is remarkably effective.

Why is it the pro mandates crowd always seems so contradictory and illogical?

Maybe you refuse to acknowledge we had several vaccines being produced, and one of the ones offered was pulled because of adverse events including death (AZ). While it was deemed safe, it was also deemed not safe enough as other vaccines were available and Covid was not bad enough. You basically have government policy makers deciding for an entire group what our risk tolerance should be.

Is it not completely rational to have questions and not want a vaccine?

Looks pretty clear, many Canadians don’t want more boosters. Sure they would roll up their sleeves if you dangle a job on the line, but most Canadians have assessed the risks and don’t feel the need for boosters. Be it that they have been infected, or that they are young and healthy. Canadians are not a one size fits all demographic. We don’t need all Canadians to get vaccinated, and we certainly never needed to mandate it.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7836628/daug ... 9-vaccine/

[Inverted2]

Hopefully this means that us who are unclean, can finally go back to work

Unfortunately, yes, so you’re free to infect others/ spread disease and put others lives in danger instead of doing the socially responsible thing and getting vaxed.

I'm really hoping that your response was satire. Because there is no way that someone can possibly be that retarded. The vaccine doesnt prevent you from spreading covid.

You can’t reason with these people. 2 years of non stop fear mongering and propaganda from the state media and the pharmaceutical companies has completely brainwashed a large segment of the population sadly.

[CpnCrunch]

What is the probability of an unvaccinated person under 40 being hospitalized for Covid vs vaccinated person under 40 being hospitalized.

You seem to be an expert, so why don't you post the numbers?

If you don’t want to speak in probability, I don’t think I really buy that the vaccines are “remarkably effective” in my opinion anyways. For most it’s probably a toss up that it makes any difference at all. It is likely the vaccines make a bigger difference in those who are higher risk, and older.

You can see some figures here:

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/me ... sc_lang=en

In the past 120 days in Ontario:

Relative risk for 40-49 year olds (unvaccinated vs 2 doses): 3.0
Relative risk for 50-59 year olds (unvaccinated vs 3 doses): 9.0
Relative risk for 60-69 year olds (unvaccinated vs 3 doses): 52.21

You can see on the graph that even in the past month, vaccination significantly reduces hospitalisations by about a factor of 2 on average (all age groups).

So yes, I think we can definitely say that vaccines are indeed “remarkably effective”. If you don't believe they are remarkably effective I would humbly suggest that you really don't have sufficient brain cells to pilot an aeroplane.

[WellThatAgedWell]

I disagree slightly. I do foresee a major jump in cases after this..

Just like the major jump in cases when we removed mask policy? Oh wait, cases dropped.

I’ll tell ya what, I will delete my avcanada account if we see a major jump in Covid cases because of removing vaccine requirements for travel.

It’s completely illogical that this would cause a jump in cases. It’s not like the unvaccinated are locked up… they are maskless and vaxless everywhere else they go.

The 7 day average of Covid cases is 2,365, in Canada. If we hit a 7 day average of 3,000 cases a day before August 1st, mods please delete my account.

[WellThatAgedWell]

What is the probability of an unvaccinated person under 40 being hospitalized for Covid vs vaccinated person under 40 being hospitalized.

You seem to be an expert, so why don't you post the numbers?

If you don’t want to speak in probability, I don’t think I really buy that the vaccines are “remarkably effective” in my opinion anyways. For most it’s probably a toss up that it makes any difference at all. It is likely the vaccines make a bigger difference in those who are higher risk, and older.

You can see some figures here:

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/me ... sc_lang=en

In the past 120 days in Ontario:

Relative risk for 40-49 year olds (unvaccinated vs 2 doses): 3.0
Relative risk for 50-59 year olds (unvaccinated vs 3 doses): 9.0
Relative risk for 60-69 year olds (unvaccinated vs 3 doses): 52.21

You can see on the graph that even in the past month, vaccination significantly reduces hospitalisations by about a factor of 2 on average (all age groups).

So yes, I think we can definitely say that vaccines are indeed “remarkably effective”. If you don't believe they are remarkably effective I would humbly suggest that you really don't have sufficient brain cells to pilot an aeroplane.

The real risk of Covid is low for the young, and being vaccinated makes little difference in severe outcomes for young people… hence on the graph you showed me, very few young people are hospitalized for Covid. Why does it bother you if young people don’t give a shit about the Covid vaccine? Young people are not filling our hospitals because of Covid. A vax and boosted 60 plus is at way more risk to severe outcome than an unvaccinated 20 something… yet policy doesn’t recognize these differences and a 20 year old unvaccinated could not travel while the higher risk 60 year old vaccinated can. Completely illogical. We should just ban old people from flying and our hospitals won’t fill up!

But I have a solution, and it’s fuking brilliant… it’s sofa king simple…. Ready for it??? It’s called take a vaccine, if you want one!

Now go on and tell us how these kids are killing everyone and clogging the hospitals. I can’t even see a fucking etched mark on the graph below for some ages. And I know you can’t either, even with your reading glasses on. Zoom it in to 300 percent and let me know what you find.

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[Big Pistons Forever]

The inconvenient fact is that unvaccinated now largely don’t have to worry about getting a hospital bed when they are hurt because enough responsible Canadians did get vaccinated.

Fortunately there are not enough selfish unvaccinated Canadians left to alter the public health success story that is COVID vaccines

[GhostRider6]

Unfortunately, yes, so you’re free to infect others/ spread disease and put others lives in danger instead of doing the socially responsible thing and getting vaxed.

I'm really hoping that your response was satire. Because there is no way that someone can possibly be that retarded. The vaccine doesnt prevent you from spreading covid.

You can’t reason with these people. 2 years of non stop fear mongering and propaganda from the state media and the pharmaceutical companies has completely brainwashed a large segment of the population sadly.

It’s should say “the state media and the pharmaceutical companies HAVE completely brainwashed XYZ.”

Not only can conspiracy theorists not follow science but they can’t form sentences either … sad.

You’re entitled to your opinion. With that said, we have science, real research and peer reviewed data on our side. As opposed to misinformation, disinformation, falsehoods and anti-science rhetoric on the opposing side . ( not to mention baseless conspiracy theories)

I was hoping boosters would be added to federal mandates … unfortunately it looks like liberals capitulated to conspiracy theorists..I thought we had a prime minister with integrity and a real backbone. It’s a sad day for a Canada … in this country we look after our own, protect others and keep people safe.

[rigpiggy]

Hahaha JT a moral prime minister.I had the coof before the vaxx, I had it after, and now twice in the last 2 months last time around whole house was positive, amazingly the unvaxx'd were asymptomatic.all who had been jabbed had a 3-5 day Flu!

[rigpiggy]

I do hope I never have to share the cockpit with BPF or GR6, they sound insufferable

[photofly]

I’ll tell ya what, I will delete my avcanada account if we see a major jump in Covid cases because of removing vaccine requirements for travel.

That's ok - you've got several more

[photofly]

I’ll tell ya what, I will delete my avcanada account if we see a major jump in Covid cases because of removing vaccine requirements for travel.

That's ok - you've got several more

[GhostRider6]

I do hope I never have to share the cockpit with BPF or GR6, they sound insufferable

Likewise. It shouldn’t be “ insufferable” to save lives, care about others and protect your fellow citizens by taking a little shot.

We lined up, rolled up our sleeves and did the right thing abs saved lives

[McKinley]

Maybe .. just maybe society can now collectively heal and reunify and some can come out of their mental haze aka mass formation psychosis.

This will essentially end the people believing they hold some sort of moral high horse over others who made a decision in the face of some fairly compelling evidence to not take the shot.

Unlikely though, I still see people double masked in the store wearing T-shirts saying “ my mask protects you”

[PostmasterGeneral]

I disagree slightly. I do foresee a major jump in cases after this..

So what?

[RRJetPilot]

GR6 is a troll. Dont respond to him. No one can really be that stupid.

[WellThatAgedWell]

I disagree slightly. I do foresee a major jump in cases after this..

So what?

Supply chain issues! We might run out of Kleenex, it will be awful and how will people blow their nose!

I’ll tell ya what, I will delete my avcanada account if we see a major jump in Covid cases because of removing vaccine requirements for travel.

That's ok - you've got several more

Just because more than one account has similar views to me doesn’t mean it’s one person doing all the posting. I would offer to have my Alt account deleted but I don’t have one.