Distorted Gender View at Lynx
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But look at those 'on time performance' numbers.
I'm going to knock this up a notch with my spice weasle. Bam!
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*cringe*
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-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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Toxic feminism: "Everybody must change to serve me"
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Fixed that for you.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Pretty sure the hallmark of a good manager/CEO is someone who can achieve his goals with minimal change... Change is usually slow and/or expensive.
Lots of stories out there of perfectly ran companies being destroyed within months of a new CEO taking over due to excessive change.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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A woman is expected to achieve consensus, and is criticized for leading in a style that in a man wouldn’t cause a comment about “feminism” or other BS.digits_ wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:33 pmPretty sure the hallmark of a good manager/CEO is someone who can achieve his goals with minimal change... Change is usually slow and/or expensive.
Lots of stories out there of perfectly ran companies being destroyed within months of a new CEO taking over due to excessive change.
A good leader gives her subordinates the tools to achieve the changes she expects and demands. Shame on anyone for making this about her being a woman. Quite disgusting.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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My comment to your modified quote wasn't gender related.photofly wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:37 pmA woman is expected to achieve consensus, and is criticized for leading in a style that in a man wouldn’t cause a comment about “feminism” or other BS.digits_ wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:33 pmPretty sure the hallmark of a good manager/CEO is someone who can achieve his goals with minimal change... Change is usually slow and/or expensive.
Lots of stories out there of perfectly ran companies being destroyed within months of a new CEO taking over due to excessive change.
A good leader gives her subordinates the tools to achieve the changes she expects and demands. Shame on anyone for making this about her being a woman. Quite disgusting.
About the article:
The whole article talks about the fact she is a woman manager/CEO. So it's fairly logical reactions to that article also mention her gender.
She also describes how nobody understood her way of working. As a kid I learned if you've got a problem with everyone you're working with, the problem is likely with you, not with them.
You're right that if this was a man, we'd likely wouldn't be talking about it, because there wouldn't have been an article about it. If you go to the press with your story, then don't be surprised people talk about it, and even judge you.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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That's a great attitude for a life-long team member who has zero ambition to create anything of value or lead any kind of change for the better. Pick any standout business leader you admire, and ask if they agree with you, or with me.
This CEO was appointed by the board to bring her vision of leadership to the company, not to be shy about demanding people fall in behind that vision. Leaders need to be clear and direct about what they want.
Do you consider being "asked to collaborate to communicate, or [prioritise] teamwork" is a bad thing?
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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The business leaders probably had a lot of people tell them their ideas were bad, it would never work etc. However, that still required an understanding of what the business leaders are trying to do. You don't necessarily need your workers to agree with your vision or instructions, you do however need them to understand what you want them to do.
If none of your workers understand what you want them to do, the problem is you, not them.
Great, then use the interview to talk about that vision. Not about your gender.
Allow me to swap some genders in the article:
Would such statements be worthy of print in 2022?GenderSwapped wrote:“I then had this aha moment. I thought, it’s because they’ve never been led by a an,” he revealed.
“They’ve come from largely operational areas… and they’ve always been led by women. So they haven’t been asked to collaborate to communicate, or [prioritise] teamwork, because that’s not that’s not often the key driver for female leadership.”
[...]
“Then I became more patient and adapted with them and had that conversation with them. And we had further workshops and when they really got it, they became a very, very high performing and very collaborative team,” she said.
No. However, do you think that there was no communication or teamwork before she took over? Please.
"collaborate to communicate" or "prioritising teamwork" are vague enough concepts that every manger or CEO can have their own understanding or preferences of what it entails exactly. I doubt 2 CEOs would have the same preferences, regardless of gender.
I'm also curious how this was achieved:
Did the management team grow by 80%, or did she somehow managed to replace 40% of her management team based on their gender?Notably, by the end of her time at the helm of Tiger, 8 per cent of the airline’s pilots were female — far above the international average at the time. Meanwhile, McArthur’s senior leadership team shifted from near-all male to 40 per cent female.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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Since there are very few women CEOs - and an even smaller proportion in the airline industry, it's very much an appropriate topic for discussion. However the article is not about her being a woman: the article is about what the headline says: "HOW EX-TIGER CHIEF MERREN MCARTHUR IMPROVED HER TEAM’S PERFORMANCE".
The gist of the story is that a CEO made an error in leadership by expecting the directors to fall in behind her style without them understanding what she wanted. Then she learned and by eventually explaining and bringing them along, she got to where she wanted them to be. It's a "this was my mistake in leadership, and when learned what my mistake was I fixed it, and then I got what I want." The part about being a woman is actually a macguffin. Of course, if one reads the article through a veil of misogyny and male privilege, one won't recognize that. But, I guess that's to be expected, because to some people, anything that mentions being a woman must be about being a woman.
Here's the punchline section:
The gist of the story is that a CEO made an error in leadership by expecting the directors to fall in behind her style without them understanding what she wanted. Then she learned and by eventually explaining and bringing them along, she got to where she wanted them to be. It's a "this was my mistake in leadership, and when learned what my mistake was I fixed it, and then I got what I want." The part about being a woman is actually a macguffin. Of course, if one reads the article through a veil of misogyny and male privilege, one won't recognize that. But, I guess that's to be expected, because to some people, anything that mentions being a woman must be about being a woman.
Here's the punchline section:
I have emboldened the most important clauses of the article for you - that is what the story is about. It doesn't refer to her gender.The now-CEO of budget Canadian startup LynxAir said that once her team were finally on the same page, they managed to be a more functional and highly productive team.
“Then I became more patient and adapted with them and had that conversation with them. And we had further workshops and when they really got it, they became a very, very high performing and very collaborative team,” she said.
Hopefully she sacked the incompetent ones, and replaced them with better ones who happened to be women, and there's nothing wrong with that. It wouldn't surprise me to hear there was a significant cadre of talented women willing and more than ready to appointed to the leadership team who had been previously overlooked in favour of some less competent men. Fortunately the new CEO was able to recognize that and correct things.Did the management team grow by 80%, or did she somehow managed to replace 40% of her management team based on their gender?Notably, by the end of her time at the helm of Tiger, 8 per cent of the airline’s pilots were female — far above the international average at the time. Meanwhile, McArthur’s senior leadership team shifted from near-all male to 40 per cent female.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Ah come one.photofly wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:45 am Since there are very few women CEOs - and an even smaller proportion in the airline industry, it's very much an appropriate topic for discussion. However the article is not about her being a woman: the article is about what the headline says: "HOW EX-TIGER CHIEF MERREN MCARTHUR IMPROVED HER TEAM’S PERFORMANCE".
The gist of the story is that a CEO made an error in leadership by expecting the directors to fall in behind her style without them understanding what she wanted. Then she learned and by eventually explaining and bringing them along, she got to where she wanted them to be. It's a "this was my mistake in leadership, and when learned what my mistake was I fixed it, and then I got what I want." The part about being a woman is actually a macguffin. Of course, if one reads the article through a veil of misogyny and male privilege, one won't recognize that. But, I guess that's to be expected, because to some people, anything that mentions being a woman must be about being a woman.
Literally the first sentence in the article:
Former Tigerair Australia CEO Merren McArthur has said the management teams she worked with “didn’t understand” how to work under a female CEO, and explained how she got the best results out of her senior team.
Allow me to ask you this again:
Allow me to swap some genders in the article:Would such statements be worthy of print in 2022?“I then had this aha moment. I thought, it’s because they’ve never been led by a man,” he revealed.
“They’ve come from largely operational areas… and they’ve always been led by women. So they haven’t been asked to collaborate to communicate, or [prioritise] teamwork, because that’s not that’s not often the key driver for female leadership.”
[...]
“Then I became more patient and adapted with them and had that conversation with them. And we had further workshops and when they really got it, they became a very, very high performing and very collaborative team,” he said.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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Like I said, one understands what one wants to understand from the article. Textual analysis reveals the point of the article which is what I said it is.
To you question about what’s fit to print: what you wrote wouldn’t be a good article, and in fact it wasn’t printed; so I don’t understand your point.
If you think “equality” means simply replacing woman with man and judging, I think you need to improve your analysis!
To you question about what’s fit to print: what you wrote wouldn’t be a good article, and in fact it wasn’t printed; so I don’t understand your point.
If you think “equality” means simply replacing woman with man and judging, I think you need to improve your analysis!
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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That is exactly my point. It wouldn't be a good article, I'd even go as far as to say that it would be socially unacceptable to say things like that as a male CEO.
If Elon Musk were to go on record in an interview saying how he bought a company but it was ran by women who never have been managed by a man, and it took them quite a bit of effort to train them and for them to understand him, there would be a lot of -justifiable- backlash.
But if a woman says this about men, it's ok? Why?
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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Ever think that you two can both be right. It shouldn't be about gender, just bad leadership.
The media is making it all about gender and you are both falling for it.
We would probably have more female pilots if we stopped progressing this narrative that female pilots need all this help to become female pilots.
The media is making it all about gender and you are both falling for it.
We would probably have more female pilots if we stopped progressing this narrative that female pilots need all this help to become female pilots.
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Self evidently, because the person saying it is in the rare position of authority given her gender. Dog bites man vs man bites dog.digits_ wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:16 amThat is exactly my point. It wouldn't be a good article, I'd even go as far as to say that it would be socially unacceptable to say things like that as a male CEO.
If Elon Musk were to go on record in an interview saying how he bought a company but it was ran by women who never have been managed by a man, and it took them quite a bit of effort to train them and for them to understand him, there would be a lot of -justifiable- backlash.
But if a woman says this about men, it's ok? Why?
However to an extent I agree with you. It would have been just as good an article if she had said “these people had never been led by someone like me who values open communication and cooperation more than they have been used to.” There is no need to genderize leadership styles.
To the extent that it promotes a stereotype of a man’s way of doing things vs a woman’s way, it’s actually not a feminist article at all. But then the woman never claimed to be a feminist, and perhaps she’s not.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Yes. But we shouldn't encourage a man to bite a dog, just like we shouldn't encourage a dog to bite a man. Both behaviours should be discouraged.
Yes, that would have been much better! Focusing on her plans and accomplishments would have communicated that message much better.
Agreed.
Could be, but I have a suspicion the author attempted to write it from that point of view though.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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Nope (unless you’re a psychopath). The correct way for a CEO to think is: Everyone, including me, must change to accomplish the goal.
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If you read the article, you'll see she did change. That's what the article is all about.
You did actually read the article you're complaining about, didn't you?Then I became more patient and adapted with them...
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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That is what matters. All that matters, to investors and your employees. Male or female, do your job. Not your number of female directors or female executives.Downunder wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:44 am https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/ ... tiger-ceo/
She also bankrupted the airline
Doesn’t matter much once the BK happens, does it?
Or get a bailout. Guess that didn’t happen this time.