#EncoreFlowMoraleLow

[lostaviator]

Why do I doubt that either of you are Encore pilots and that your "best intentions" for Encore pilots start with your own best interests first?

Think about your statement and the intent of the PTA. Would you not agree that what wj pilots do in their best interest, one day serves your best interest?

Where are you going to spend most of your career? encore of westjet?

Encore pilots supported this agreement too. It contains a clause that lets a party vote to leave. That’s just the way it is.

[goingmissed]

Why do I doubt that either of you are Encore pilots and that your "best intentions" for Encore pilots start with your own best interests first?

Think about your statement and the intent of the PTA. Would you not agree that what wj pilots do in their best interest, one day serves your best interest?

Where are you going to spend most of your career? encore of westjet?

Encore pilots supported this agreement too. It contains a clause that lets a party vote to leave. That’s just the way it is.

If the argument is that the PTA is non-enforceable, how am I supposed to go from Encore to WestJet? I have little problem with the PTA being cancelled as long as it's done through 11.03, other than it's a way to use Encore pilots as pawns against the company.

[FlyAlberta]

Why do I doubt that either of you are Encore pilots and that your "best intentions" for Encore pilots start with your own best interests first?

Not that it matters, everyone has their own opinion, and that’s cool. I work at WEN. I’d say I have a lot to lose, should a merger go sideways. You could say I’m looking out for my own interests. Not sure if you’ve kept up with chatter on the mainline side but as they go into negotiations, the majority of what I hear is that they don’t give a flying puck about what happens with Encore pilots going forward re: mergers, etc… and will not spend an inch of their negotiating capital on what happens with Encore pilots. Yes, it’s a kick in the peanuts considering our desire to stand with them over the years, but it is what it is.

My stance is we go common employer, or separate the pilot groups completely. I’m, quite frankly, tired of being treated by the company as the little brother and occasionally being thrown a baby carrot only when it’s favourable to the corp.

I suspect I’ll continue to bypass flow until contract negotiations for both sides are complete and any possible merger has clear language. I’d rather spend the rest of my career at Encore with wages that meet or exceed those of our USA counterparts, and near the top of the list vs. risk getting sewered with PTA merger language.

Flow will likely stop the next couple bids when AC starts vacuuming up the large amount of our pilots that have applied there. The company will have no choice but to stop flow and hire OTS. Can’t fault them for that, as they need to crew planes, but I’m sure we could all guess how that plays out.

The company is looking to push much more short haul flying to Encore from mainline. RJ’s are a very likely probability in the next few years. We’ll see how that plays out with the WS pilots. One would think it would be favourable and preferable for all pilot groups to be under one umbrella in those cases but I’m no expert.

I hope I don’t sound too terribly salty. I quite enjoy my job. Why would I still be here if I didn’t. I’m just tired of being a pawn and ba$tard child.

[goingmissed]

Not that it matters, everyone has their own opinion, and that’s cool. I work at WEN. Nearing top 5% of the pilot list. Bypassed flow for some time. I’d say I have a lot to lose, should a merger go sideways. You could say I’m looking out for my own interests. Not sure if you’ve kept up with chatter on the mainline side but as they go into negotiations, the majority of what I hear is that they don’t give a flying puck about what happens with Encore pilots going forward re: mergers, etc… and will not spend an inch of their negotiating capital on what happens with Encore pilots. Yes, it’s a kick in the peanuts considering our desire to stand with them over the years, but it is what it is.

My stance is we go common employer, or separate the pilot groups completely. I’m, quite frankly, tired of being treated by the company as the little brother and occasionally being thrown a baby carrot only when it’s favourable to the corp.

I suspect I’ll continue to bypass flow until contract negotiations for both sides are complete and any possible merger has clear language. I’d rather spend the rest of my career at Encore with wages that meet or exceed those of our USA counterparts, and near the top of the list vs. risk getting sewered with PTA merger language.

Flow will likely stop the next couple bids when AC starts vacuuming up the large amount of our pilots that have applied there. The company will have no choice but to stop flow and hire OTS. Can’t fault them for that, as they need to crew planes, but I’m sure we could all guess how that plays out.

The company is looking to push much more short haul flying to Encore from mainline. RJ’s are a very likely probability in the next few years. We’ll see how that plays out with the WS pilots. One would think it would be favourable and preferable for all pilot groups to be under one umbrella in those cases but I’m no expert.

I hope I don’t sound too terribly salty. I quite enjoy my job. Why would I still be here if I didn’t. I’m just tired of being a pawn and ba$tard child.

If you are afraid that you sound salty, don't worry about it. There are some jaded pilots who hate everything about where they are in their career and you do not sound like them.

While I am optimistic regarding the contract being negotiated next year and the future for Encore pilots, I am nowhere near optimistic that Encore will be a career airline in any form unless there is major change in the industry as a whole.

[Papa_Justin]

Anyone looking to come to Encore right now, give this topic a good read. If you have a 1000 hours just wait it out till you get 1500. Apply to WJ or Swoop directly then. Its all max duty days with low pay here. Lots of experienced guys are leaving. Flow is non existent. Avg 8-10 spots a month! Last bid was 8. Thats a shame!!!

Roughly 550 pilots at Encore. If you join now, and they flow 8 a month, it will take you 6-7years to flow(if you’re lucky) When you do flow, You start as year one FO at Swoop or mainline. All the time I gave to this company, yet OTS guys with half my hours are going directly on right seat at mainline and will get YOS. You guys have been warned again!

Captain John Cena

But realistically, what are the chances in getting into a 705 like WJ or Swoop with just 1500TT?

A general inquire, no sarcasm intended.

[tango308]

But realistically, what are the chances in getting into a 705 like WJ or Swoop with just 1500TT?

A general inquire, no sarcasm intended.

Nil considering WS posting for 737 FOs is asking for 2000 TT.

[Papa_Justin]

But realistically, what are the chances in getting into a 705 like WJ or Swoop with just 1500TT?

A general inquire, no sarcasm intended.

Nil considering WS posting for 737 FOs is asking for 2000 TT.

Thought as much.

[Apestogetherstrong]

Execs have been “eating our lunch” by paying us janitor wages for too long and yet they call lynx and flair idiots. They still think flowing 8 pilots a month is what everyone wanted. Nah! pay us delta wages. You guys are creating a bigger mess. Come up with a retention plan now Alex!