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Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

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With ALPA we basically have come together but we are on a contract with a no strike clause (they also got us really expensive benefits) Until those resumes dry up, I doubt we will see any change.

We could however all book-off and shut down the operation for a day or two, heck maybe even three.
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Nick678 wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:32 pm With ALPA we basically have come together but we are on a contract with a no strike clause (they also got us really expensive benefits) Until those resumes dry up, I doubt we will see any change.

We could however all book-off and shut down the operation for a day or two, heck maybe even three.
Honestly don't even have to go that far. Should just say 0 over time until it improves
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flyingcanuck wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:50 am
Nick678 wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:32 pm With ALPA we basically have come together but we are on a contract with a no strike clause (they also got us really expensive benefits) Until those resumes dry up, I doubt we will see any change.

We could however all book-off and shut down the operation for a day or two, heck maybe even three.
Honestly don't even have to go that far. Should just say 0 over time until it improves
You honestly couldn’t get me to go near that shitshow with double overtime right now. A day away from YYZ is a good day.
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Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

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Transition9er2 wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:33 pm I think both Jazz and AC know the 60% (or whatever the number is) flow will be a non issue starting 2023.

IF AC needs to hire 1000 pilots between 2022 and 2023 there is no way Jazz will be able to provide that 60% number. Simply put, the guys at the top of the list are staying, the pilots sitting around 2017 - 2018 hire dates will be pillaged and the “majority” of bottom 3rd of the list is made up of college kids with low hours.

Simple math says, AC is forming a new hire list that literally outpaces Jazz’s ability to offer pilots in the Flow. My thoughts, Jazz knows this and doesn’t care too much about forcing AC’s hand right now. The only thing Jazz cares about is opporations at this point and “retaining” as many body’s as they can to keep things rolling.

Just my thoughts is all.

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AC has been hard pressed to fill its own PIT courses. This is for several different reasons.

I would expect AC will ultimately hire less than 300 during calendar 2022. That means 180 Jazz pilots. Looking like no Jazz pilots on AC PIT courses before September (first course this year excepted).

I could see AC hiring 500-600 during calendar 2023. There are limitations within AC training capacity. That will be 300-360 more Jazz pilots on AC PIT courses once again with weighting likely towards the second half of the year.

Once AC reaches ‘attrition’ hiring vs ‘growth’ hiring (likely 2024) then annual total hiring and flow rates from Jazz will stabilize at a much more manageable number.

With AC reducing some capacity while it builds infrastructure (majority of programmed cancellations for July and August are Express flights) things should become more stable and predictable.
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All those pilots wanting to work for Jazz as a DIC. This is a YR 4 cpt pay stub. As yr 1 Cpt you'll be 100-300 less.
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Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

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Malfunction wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:50 pm All those pilots wanting to work for Jazz as a DIC. This is a YR 4 cpt pay stub. As yr 1 Cpt you'll be 100-300 less.
Most relevant piece at the bottom is cut off - Net Pay vs Gross Pay YTD.

Also, where are employee/employer pension contributions?
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wait so whats your monthly take home pay? and what about for a year 1 FO?
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pitottubey wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:44 pm wait so whats your monthly take home pay? and what about for a year 1 FO?
Year 1 FO I was taking in around ~1200 biweekly after tax + perdiems
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Year 4 captain net home 2k biweekly, even worse for FO... how do you survive in yyz/yvr. Even commuting/crashpad will eat a huge chunk
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Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

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It's less, our benifits just went up...
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Still the MEC sees no leverage for increases...
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Can anyone post what a yr ,6,7,8 cpt take home is? Those are off B scale pay
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Malfunction wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 5:12 pm It's less, our benifits just went up...
What the actual F!@# Jazz, My after tax/union/pension net is $2600 bi-weekly flying a god damned PC-12. You JAZZ pilots should definitely all call in "Sick" for a week or two.
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I'm in if alpa organized it. And if its over my standup. 😆
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Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

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2112 wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:09 pm
Malfunction wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 5:12 pm It's less, our benifits just went up...
What the actual F!@# Jazz, My after tax/union/pension net is $2600 bi-weekly flying a god damned PC-12. You JAZZ pilots should definitely all call in "Sick" for a week or two.
probably 2% of the pilot group have the guts to do so
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Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

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Start by everyone saying NO to UOC... Nothing will change if pilots keep bailing them out.
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Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

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Mac08 wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:13 pm Start by everyone saying NO to UOC... Nothing will change if pilots keep bailing them out.
That and we should have stopped picking up OT.
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