Rejecting a Job offer

[theflyingstickman]

Appreciate all the info !

[Ki-ll]

Personally, I'd really like to see tangible examples of 5-7 year FO pay NB or WB, and 10 year left seat actual gross or actual take-home. There's so much misinformation. Not looking for best case possibilities or outliers but rather conservative, average income. Yes, the payscale matrixes are there but there's a lot of lateral ambiguity. PM if you'd like, thanks.

https://pay-rate-calculator.herokuapp.com/

[MrWings]

It was satisfying to tell AC that the pay was too low. Maybe if others did that things might change. Yes things worked out for me. I enjoy going to work.

I like this approach. Show them you are a great hire; make them want you. Then laugh at their ridiculous offer. If they want a valuable employee like yourself, they have to pay for it. They pay bananas, they get monkeys. Enough people do this and things will change.

[rudder]

AC Q2 2022 Financial Results Q&A:

Savanthi Syth

That's helpful. And if I might ask, secondly, just have you seen any kind of pilots leaving in a bigger way from Air Canada to the U.S. kind of using that EB-2 employment visa? I was just kind of curious, I know, there's no risk of having the same issues that you're having in the U.S., but I was wondering if there was any risk of some of the issues here being spilling over to Canada?

Michael Rousseau

Savi, good morning, it's Mike. No, we're not seeing any attrition of our pilot base to U.S. or any other country. We still are an unbelievably attractive employer for pilots. And so we do not face the challenges, some of the U.S. carriers or other carriers around the world facing.

[Gooddog]

I had less than 2000 hours and probably 400 hours multi engine between a Navajo and a king air and I turned down Air Canada back in 2013. It was only a year later I really had my regrets, today I still day I still do.

Now I have 8000 hours with about 5000 hours jet half of that PIC and I just re-applied. Mind you I have an excellent pension here that I believe compares to Air Canada. I still wish I could get on.

[GRK2]

I think you're missing a screw or two here. Ok, respectfully, why lose all that seniority to start again? You say you have a comparable pension and a good amount of experience, so I wonder, why give up what likely is a schedule you have earned and a level of pay that is satisfactory just to end up at the bottom of a list and on reserve. Do what makes you happy of course but man...think it through very carefully.

[WF9F]

You dip$hits that want to reject a job offer are making a grave mistake!! Tabarnac

Flight ops won't give a rat$ a$$ about you avocado toast eating whiners that won't sign on to pay your dues after paying your dues. The company only budgets so much for pilots and I believe them so we had to choose and we ain't gonna waste time or money on the unborn! This was a group move for solidarity & Blake agrees!! Look how unified we are now. The junior peon pilots love me & the boyz

I have a great relationship with the management and it's awesome here just hate it when they stick me in a middle seat. Middle seats are for crummy Commuters or other bottom of the barrel of pilots. Tabarnac!!!

You’re an idiot

[canadian_aviator_4]

AC Q2 2022 Financial Results Q&A:

Savanthi Syth

That's helpful. And if I might ask, secondly, just have you seen any kind of pilots leaving in a bigger way from Air Canada to the U.S. kind of using that EB-2 employment visa? I was just kind of curious, I know, there's no risk of having the same issues that you're having in the U.S., but I was wondering if there was any risk of some of the issues here being spilling over to Canada?

Michael Rousseau

Savi, good morning, it's Mike. No, we're not seeing any attrition of our pilot base to U.S. or any other country. We still are an unbelievably attractive employer for pilots. And so we do not face the challenges, some of the U.S. carriers or other carriers around the world facing.

I guess it probably wouldn’t be in his favour to tell investors the whole truth. I either get from his comment that AC management are sticking their heads in the sand or they are actively assessing the hiring situation and the threat of US hiring.

[TheStig]

Just some facts for the investors:

-“we are not seeing any pilot attrition…”

-“we didn’t layoff any pilots”

-“I don’t need to speak French to live and work in Montreal”

[Protonpilot]

I guess it probably wouldn’t be in his favour to tell investors the whole truth. I either get from his comment that AC management are sticking their heads in the sand or they are actively assessing the hiring situation and the threat of US hiring.

A more accurate statement from the CEO would have been: "We know a lot of our pilots are interested in leaving and working in the US. But they can't because they have no legal right to live and work there. So unless and until that changes, we're not worried about it."

[negative_g]

I guess it probably wouldn’t be in his favour to tell investors the whole truth. I either get from his comment that AC management are sticking their heads in the sand or they are actively assessing the hiring situation and the threat of US hiring.

A more accurate statement from the CEO would have been: "We know a lot of our pilots are interested in leaving and working in the US. But they can't because they have no legal right to live and work there. So unless and until that changes, we're not worried about it."

Zero chance they'd ever say that because AC executive actually think everything is fine. And this would be them admitting they know it's not.

Also the follow up question would probably be "why do your pilots want to leave, what do we not know as investors?"

That is not a conversation any executive especially our Dear Leader Monsieur Rousseau.

[co-joe]

You dip$hits that want to reject a job offer are making a grave mistake!! Tabarnac

Flight ops won't give a rat$ a$$ about you avocado toast eating whiners that won't sign on to pay your dues after paying your dues. The company only budgets so much for pilots and I believe them so we had to choose and we ain't gonna waste time or money on the unborn! This was a group move for solidarity & Blake agrees!! Look how unified we are now. The junior peon pilots love me & the boyz

I have a great relationship with the management and it's awesome here just hate it when they stick me in a middle seat. Middle seats are for crummy Commuters or other bottom of the barrel of pilots. Tabarnac!!!

You’re an idiot

If you don't see the humour in this post, I have bad news for you...

[Gooddog]

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[GRK2]

I think you're missing a screw or two here. Ok, respectfully, why lose all that seniority to start again? You say you have a comparable pension and a good amount of experience, so I wonder, why give up what likely is a schedule you have earned and a level of pay that is satisfactory just to end up at the bottom of a list and on reserve. Do what makes you happy of course but man...think it through very carefully.

I should have clarified a little more. 1.5 years ago our flight department was shut down and I was shuffled into a non aviation role within the company, (8 of us were).

Not at all motivated in this position, pays extremely well and has a 6 and 6 schedule. 160hrs vacation so far. I only have 9 years into my pension but I have 20 to go before I retire. I have been flying commercially for 16 years now which is hard to believe when I say it out loud. But I would like to get back in. I would have been very happy to retire at this company I my role as pilot and retire back “home” but I'm not thrilled about it now in this role. Would really like to move While our children are still very young.

I actually have an interview coming up with WJ mainline and I am very excited it.

Well fair enough then. Best of luck. If I might offer any advice, it would be to do a serious amount of research on other carrier options as well. WJ is a long wait to upgrade at their mainline level. Swoop pays less for essentially the same work and is reportedly somewhat toxic. Flair is a much faster upgrade and has multiple bases to offer. There is reportedly a new CBA not far off. Jazz just shut down the flow to AC, Transat might be a little more stable but is slow to hire. Lynx and Canada Jet Lines might be looking but are late to the game after Covid. It's messy out there.

[Gooddog]

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[Fleetstreet]

In the WJ pool. This old dog still has some tricks up his sleeve yet. Figured I would post it and finish my journey on this thread.

Can I ask when you did your WJ interview and how long after did you heard?

[Fleetstreet]

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[Gooddog]

I did my interview at the beginning of Sept, maybe the first week in? And it was the next day I as asked for references and criminal record check. A week later I received the email that I was in the pool. Although the pool doesn’t guarantee employment, they definitely have a system that are using to move people through a based on interview and scores by the looks of it.

So I wait! Good luck.