New hire bids

[tango308]

Usually what bases are available for DEC?

YYZ or YUL if we go by the latest bid. No CA vacancies out West for the moment.

[pitottubey]

Pool? whats this about a pool. Im just about to pass all the initial steps (I passed the first interview and sim eval), am I going to just get put in a pool and wait?

[the-minister31]

Pool? whats this about a pool. Im just about to pass all the initial steps (I passed the first interview and sim eval), am I going to just get put in a pool and wait?

Once you have passed all the steps, they put you in a pool while waiting for a ground school date. I don't know if they even use the pool these days...

[702pipeliner]

Anyone know what was available to the people in the GS that started last week?

[kiaszceski]

Pool? whats this about a pool. Im just about to pass all the initial steps (I passed the first interview and sim eval), am I going to just get put in a pool and wait?

Once you have passed all the steps, they put you in a pool while waiting for a ground school date. I don't know if they even use the pool these days...

The only people knowing if the pool is still a thing are the HRs and maybe @rudder?

As far as the pool, you need to pass all the tests, meaning if the simeval was successful, reference checks, criminal background check, drug test, and Thomas Assessment ( PPA and GIA ).
Once everything is processed you will receive either a pool email, a call for a GS, or an email saying they won't be moving forward with your application.

[rudder]

Pool? whats this about a pool. Im just about to pass all the initial steps (I passed the first interview and sim eval), am I going to just get put in a pool and wait?

Once you have passed all the steps, they put you in a pool while waiting for a ground school date. I don't know if they even use the pool these days...

The only people knowing if the pool is still a thing are the HRs and maybe @rudder?

As far as the pool, you need to pass all the tests, meaning if the simeval was successful, reference checks, criminal background check, drug test, and Thomas Assessment ( PPA and GIA ).
Once everything is processed you will receive either a pool email, a call for a GS, or an email saying they won't be moving forward with your application.

I honestly don’t know how it is being managed, but if past is prologue then some successfully screened pilots will be assigned directly to a course date (likely geared towards potential DEC/quick upgrade candidates or college quota hiring) while other successful candidates will be in the pool and assigned course dates with 15-30 days notice based on availability or ranking.

I am not aware of any time Jazz has used a ‘FIFO’ system for course assignment (First Interviewed - First hired). But you never know.

Good luck!

[RobertChow]

Have an interview by the end of the month, if ok, what would be the timeline for the sim eval and then the ground school start ?

[kiaszceski]

Have an interview by the end of the month, if ok, what would be the timeline for the sim eval and then the ground school start ?

Best case scenario 4 weeks with a call.
Worst case 12 months with a pool email.

Typically depends on your experience.

[kiaszceski]

By the way, what were the latest bids on July 18th besides the 5 DEC?

[lightninghelmentant]

Have an interview by the end of the month, if ok, what would be the timeline for the sim eval and then the ground school start ?

Best case scenario 4 weeks with a call.
Worst case 12 months with a pool email.

Typically depends on your experience.

I did my SIM eval almost 3 weeks ago and drug test 1 week ago...no call no PFO...whats your thoughts on that? sorry I know its a dumb question. I am thinking about it all day every day haha

[kiaszceski]

Have an interview by the end of the month, if ok, what would be the timeline for the sim eval and then the ground school start ?

Best case scenario 4 weeks with a call.
Worst case 12 months with a pool email.

Typically depends on your experience.

I did my SIM eval almost 3 weeks ago and drug test 1 week ago...no call no PFO...whats your thoughts on that? sorry I know its a dumb question. I am thinking about it all day every day haha

References take time
MMPI results also take some time
HRs are really doing their bests.

You can send them an email to know what stage of the process they are at.

Enjoy your summer, next GS is Sept 19th for now, they are giving about 5 weeks' notices unless people cancel their GS.

[lightninghelmentant]

Best case scenario 4 weeks with a call.
Worst case 12 months with a pool email.

Typically depends on your experience.

I did my SIM eval almost 3 weeks ago and drug test 1 week ago...no call no PFO...whats your thoughts on that? sorry I know its a dumb question. I am thinking about it all day every day haha

References take time
MMPI results also take some time
HRs are really doing their bests.

You can send them an email to know what stage of the process they are at.

Enjoy your summer, next GS is Sept 19th for now, they are giving about 5 weeks' notices unless people cancel their GS.

Thank you for the info!

[CanadianPilotQc]

what equipment was proposed in this week new hire course? or last week

[a2btrail]

New Class started yesterday Monday August 8. The following system spots were offered.

1 YUL EMB
5 YYZ RJ
14 YYZ Q4

General experience levels mostly consisted of 1000-2000+ TT, ATPL/CPLs, 703-704, turbine/prop, northern experience.

Some direct entry CA's in the class. Mostly FOs.

Next class August 29th.

[kiaszceski]

New Class started yesterday Monday August 8. The following system spots were offered.

1 YUL EMB
5 YYZ RJ
14 YYZ Q4

General experience levels mostly consisted of 1000-2000+ TT, ATPL/CPLs, 703-704, turbine/prop, northern experience.

Some direct entry CA's in the class. Mostly FOs.

Next class August 29th.

Do you mind sharing what experience the DECs have? How many got awarded captain on the jets ?

[rudder]

Do you mind sharing what experience the DECs have? How many got awarded captain on the jets ?

There is no experience criteria (based on the CBA).

Just an ATPL and a seniority number.

[kiaszceski]

So technically an instructor with 1600TT and the ATPL could hold a CRJ captain position ?!

[rudder]

So technically an instructor with 1600TT and the ATPL could hold a CRJ captain position ?!

Yes. You can hold the bid award.

Then you would have to pass the initial type course, CA Sim Eval, PPC, line indoctrination, and line check.

[link821]

There was a flight instructor who selected CRJ DEC in one of the most recent classes.

[fixnfly]

There was a flight instructor who selected CRJ DEC in one of the most recent classes.

Yea one of my buddies is in that class. Apparently the new hire taught multi engine at seneca? But that's a huge step to flying the CRJ as a captain out of YYZ. I don't understand how Jazz is comfortable with the current hiring trends and the levels of experience in their cockpits. Technically if they passed the line indoc training, they could be paired with a new FO and have less than 150 hours of multi-crew turbine experience between the two of them flying into some of the busiest airports in North America. That's pretty scary to think about.

[RockSalty]

There was a flight instructor who selected CRJ DEC in one of the most recent classes.

Yea one of my buddies is in that class. Apparently the new hire taught multi engine at seneca? But that's a huge step to flying the CRJ as a captain out of YYZ. I don't how Jazz is comfortable with the current hiring trends and the levels of experience in their cockpits. Technically if they passed the line indoc training, they could be paired with a new FO and have less than 150 hours of multi-crew turbine experience between the two of them flying into some of the busiest airports in North America. That's pretty scary to think about.

I can't imagine thinking that however many hundred hours of babysitting students from the right seat of a Baron is the kind of experience that makes me qualified to sit in the left seat of an RJ

[QKZXKV]

There was a flight instructor who selected CRJ DEC in one of the most recent classes.

Yea one of my buddies is in that class. Apparently the new hire taught multi engine at seneca? But that's a huge step to flying the CRJ as a captain out of YYZ. I don't how Jazz is comfortable with the current hiring trends and the levels of experience in their cockpits. Technically if they passed the line indoc training, they could be paired with a new FO and have less than 150 hours of multi-crew turbine experience between the two of them flying into some of the busiest airports in North America. That's pretty scary to think about.

I can't imagine thinking that however many hundred hours of babysitting students from the right seat of a Baron is the kind of experience that makes me qualified to sit in the left seat of an RJ

It's not and straight out of a 703 with min hrs isn't any better. Do your 1 year probation period as an FO then consider the upgrade is my advice to anyone considering DEC.

[frog]

I don't understand.

When you're hired at jazz, you bid your plane and base after receiving a job offer.

However I thought the job offer was for either a FO or an DEC position.

So according to what you guys are saying, the job offer doesn't specify which seat you're getting if you have an ATPL?

[Outlaw58]

There was a flight instructor who selected CRJ DEC in one of the most recent classes.

Yea one of my buddies is in that class. Apparently the new hire taught multi engine at seneca? But that's a huge step to flying the CRJ as a captain out of YYZ. I don't how Jazz is comfortable with the current hiring trends and the levels of experience in their cockpits. Technically if they passed the line indoc training, they could be paired with a new FO and have less than 150 hours of multi-crew turbine experience between the two of them flying into some of the busiest airports in North America. That's pretty scary to think about.

Incorrect.

The standard is the standard and anyone who is or was at Jazz know that this is a point of honor that Jazz has about its training and Standard. This means that anyone not meeting this standard for ANY position, will not be employed in that position until they either meet the standard or...

Furthermore, there is a Green on Green restriction that requires a consolidation period to be completed before a new pilot on type can be paired with an unconsolidated pilot. For the situation you are describing to occur, a NH with 0 multi-turbine experience would have to be awarded a DEC and undergo the Line Indoc, Line Check, and consolidation period including HGS requirements within 100 hours AND be paired with an FO who has done the same on their VERY 1st pairing after completing consolidation. Very unlikely but if that DEC gets through the all the indoc and consolidation that fast, then you definitely do not have anything to be worried about.

Not as scary as you make it to be.

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[DHC-1 Jockey]

Very unlikely but if that DEC gets through the all the indoc and consolidation that fast, then you definitely do not have anything to be worried about.

Not as scary as you make it to be.

Flying jets at high altitude comes with a lot of different risks that DEC line-indoc just can't address. After leaving the Dash-8 for the 737, I wouldn't have felt comfortable operating from the left seat without at least a year in the right seat of the 737. And I'm saying that as someone with over 4000 hours in 705 turboprops.

Taking someone with 1500 hours in Cessna's and Barons from the flatlands of Ontario and sending them into the left seat of an RJ flying into mountain wave areas in Denver or onto a tight visual into Washington DC or figuring out all the vagaries of multiple MEL issues and how they impact each other just doesn't sound safe to do after 100 hours of line-indoc. What happens if this line-indoc starts in the early summer? By the fall they might have a couple hundred hours in the jet, but the first time they deice that winter, they'll be on their own and could be paired with a cadet F/O who has also never deiced. I would probably wish that I'd at least seen it from the right seat once or twice.

There is something to be said for experience, and a DEC flight instructor in an RJ just doesn't have it.