Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:28 pm
Very unlikely but if that DEC gets through the all the indoc and consolidation that fast, then you definitely do not have anything to be worried about.
Not as scary as you make it to be.
Flying jets at high altitude comes with a lot of different risks that DEC line-indoc just can't address. After leaving the Dash-8 for the 737, I wouldn't have felt comfortable operating from the left seat without at least a year in the right seat of the 737. And I'm saying that as someone with over 4000 hours in 705 turboprops.
Taking someone with 1500 hours in Cessna's and Barons from the flatlands of Ontario and sending them into the left seat of an RJ flying into mountain wave areas in Denver or onto a tight visual into Washington DC or figuring out all the vagaries of multiple MEL issues and how they impact each other just doesn't sound safe to do after 100 hours of line-indoc. What happens if this line-indoc starts in the early summer? By the fall they might have a couple hundred hours in the jet, but the first time they deice that winter, they'll be on their own and could be paired with a cadet F/O who has also never deiced. I would probably wish that I'd at least seen it from the right seat once or twice.
There is something to be said for experience, and a DEC flight instructor in an RJ just doesn't have it.
I don't disagree. My experience tells me the same thing.
All I am saying is that I have come to trust the Jazz training and standard and I firmly believe that no Jazz pilots would be released to the line unless they meet Jazz standard. Yes, some have been awarded the position, but whether or not they will make it through the training remains to be seen, and if they happen to make it, then they belong there.
Turboprops wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:21 am
Has there been any YVR vacancies for new hires since Jazz started hiring this year? Seems all YYZ/YUL
No there has not been. This is primarily due to Air Canada's Asia pacific market's slow pace to recovery due to Covid restrictions in the region. AC is more focused on regional feeding to YYZ and YUL as both bases feed their EU, Caribbean, South America and Middle East flying as there is much more volume demand and less restrictions in these markets.
Turboprops wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:21 am
Has there been any YVR vacancies for new hires since Jazz started hiring this year? Seems all YYZ/YUL
On the most recent bid YYC had a few (I believe 9) Q400 FO Vacant positions available, however, YVR had 0 vacant positions after the bid was awarded.
Waits for YVR and YYC will be longer than normal with the slow Asian market flying and the surge of YYZ & YUL based flying & positions. I expect to see YYZ & YUL positions in the up coming bids for long while now. That being said if a YYC Q position is still available, you will be able to bid that position once you have access to the standing bid (if you're awarded Q400 in YUL or YYZ).
frog wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:55 am
I just did the interview with Jazz. I was told that you can get the base you want just a few weeks after the initial award.
Every vacancy they make available to a new-hire course is available to a non-frozen Jazz pilot first (via standing bid).
No freeze on Base. Freeze on initial type course (except resulting from a displacement or for an upgrade).
frog wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:55 am
I just did the interview with Jazz. I was told that you can get the base you want just a few weeks after the initial award.
Every vacancy they make available to a new-hire course is available to a non-frozen Jazz pilot first (via standing bid).
No freeze on Base. Freeze on initial type course (except resulting from a displacement or for an upgrade).
So it would be more advantageous to bid type over base? Say if you want RJ YYZ, and only RJs in YUL/YYC/YVR were available..to select one of these and then hope to get YYZ base after a while?
frog wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:55 am
I just did the interview with Jazz. I was told that you can get the base you want just a few weeks after the initial award.
Every vacancy they make available to a new-hire course is available to a non-frozen Jazz pilot first (via standing bid).
No freeze on Base. Freeze on initial type course (except resulting from a displacement or for an upgrade).
So it would be more advantageous to bid type over base? Say if you want RJ YYZ, and only RJs in YUL/YYC/YVR were available..to select one of these and then hope to get YYZ base after a while?
If your base of choice is not available, make sure you bid a type that your base has. Currently YYZ & YUL has every type. YYC and YVR do not have EMB.
flyer 1492 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:37 am
Wonder if the no-shows looked at the "B" pay scale and figured that and a 2% pay raise is not worth it.
It begs the question - how long can you keep offering the lowest starting pay in the 705 sector and expect to attract qualified candidates?
As long as flight schools and colleges keep pumping out 200 hour wonders?
Finding FO's in this climate isn't Jazz's biggest problem right now tbh. We can debate all day as to why the class was cancelled. Looking at the macro view the real issue is Captain retention of current skippers with a DOH at or after 2016 and the extreme backlog of FO's hired from said colleges that are unable to upgrade because of no PIC to get their ATPL. PICUS is virtually not existent at Jazz due to the obvious shortages in man power and resource stretching we are facing.
Dear new FO's wanting to come to Jazz please don't rely on the PICUS program. Stay up north and upgrade or invest in yourself not for Jazz's sake but for your own professional development and for the best job market options.
I don't have to explain anything, the burden of proof rests with you. YOU advanced that the reason for GS cancellation is that there are no shows. Unless you have data showing that Jazz can't fill its classes, you need a better hypothesis.
I don't have to explain anything, the burden of proof rests with you. YOU advanced that the reason for GS cancellation is that there are no shows. Unless you have data showing that Jazz can't fill its classes, you need a better hypothesis.
Fishing it is...
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I know someone involved in the training department and other pilots that have talked directly to management that a significant amount of candidates have no-showed interviews or groundschools. I think there was also a recent case of a candidate doing 2 days of initial groundschool before leaving for Flair. Either way, Jazz is clearly not hiring enough people to fill the vacancies that will be left behind if Air Canada does indeed take a few hundred pilots as promised. The recent groundschool numbers don't lie; there are serious problems coming down the pipe if Jazz doesn't pump up the pilot staffing levels soon
The last contract extension (expires in 2035!) is a failure of both ALPA MEC and the company. The company wanted "cheap" labor costs and ALPA wanted to show that they were looking out for the pilots that wanted to flow over to Big Red. Time to get rid of the two tier pay scale and the pathetic yearly pay raises. If you want professional pilots then it is time to open the contract.
