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Other forthcoming CAR changes

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Aside from changes to flight test pass requirements (viewtopic.php?t=172411) there are some other, minor, changes in progress:

Student Pilot Permits (Helicopter) will be validated by a class IV medical (as SPP-aeroplanes are now).

Flight time requirements for written exams will be reduced to 25% of the hours requirements for the licence or permit (down from 50% at present) and to only 5 hours for a PPL or PP-R.

A category 4 medical will be adequate for the flight test for PPL and CPL (so you don't need to have the category 1 or 3 medical to complete the training) - which is making permanent a COVID exemption.

All 70x operators will be required to produce SOPs, regardless of the complexity of the aircraft or the number of crew - even single pilot operations.

The word 'cockpit' is being replaced with 'flight deck', which will, I'm sure, tickle some of the more conservative readers here.

NOTAM will no longer be an acronym for NOtice To AirMen - but will be a word in its own right.
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Those all seem neutral or good changes.

The notam one seems to be highly symbolic though. I doubt Canada has the power to sungle handedly redefine an internationally used definition.

If it's a word, we shouldn't write it in caps anymore either.
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digits_ wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:06 pm Those all seem neutral or good changes.

The notam one seems to be highly symbolic though. I doubt Canada has the power to sungle handedly redefine an internationally used definition.

If it's a word, we shouldn't write it in caps anymore either.
According to the TC document, "the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) doesn’t refer to
“NOTAM” as an acronym but rather a universally used term" - so this is Canada following, not leading, the international body.
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If mankind is now peoplekind, why is airmen not airpersons?
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Because NOTAPs aren’t a thing?
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All 70x operators required to produce and follow SOP's?! Watch the 702 & 703 VFR helicopter operators scramble to write something that vaguely reflects their operation and convince the 8 different personalities with a combined 50,000hrs that they should be doing things "the standard way".
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photofly wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:16 pm Because NOTAPs aren’t a thing?
Correct. I went to Nashville a few weeks ago and they explicitly called it "NOTAMs (Notice to Air MIssion)" on the D-ATIS.
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averageatbest wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:33 am
photofly wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:16 pm Because NOTAPs aren’t a thing?
Correct. I went to Nashville a few weeks ago and they explicitly called it "NOTAMs (Notice to Air MIssion)" on the D-ATIS.
This, I like.
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Notam will be NoTice to Air Missions.
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kiaszceski wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:35 am Notam will be NoTice to Air Missions.
That would have to be NOtice To Air Missions. But per the TC document (did you bother to read it?) only in FAA-land. The Rest Of The World is sticking with NOTAM as a non-acronym.
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photofly wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:44 pm
Flight time requirements for written exams will be reduced to 25% of the hours requirements for the licence or permit (down from 50% at present) and to only 5 hours for a PPL or PP-R.
So this would mean that you could write the SARON and SAMRA at 375 hours as opposed to the current 750 hours.

What's the benefit in that? If I remember correctly, once you write both exams, you have 2 years to acquire the required time and apply for the ATPL, otherwise you have to rewrite the exam... I know there's something about that 2 years being frozen if you do a PPC (or recurrent?) after you've written the exams, but I don't recall the exact rules so if someone can clarify these two points please
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photofly wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:37 am
kiaszceski wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:35 am Notam will be NoTice to Air Missions.
That would have to be NOtice To Air Missions. But per the TC document (did you bother to read it?) only in FAA-land. The Rest Of The World is sticking with NOTAM as a non-acronym.
No, because Canada and TC are just puppets, so sooner or later it will become what Uncle Sam is saying.
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photofly wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:10 pm
digits_ wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:06 pm Those all seem neutral or good changes.

The notam one seems to be highly symbolic though. I doubt Canada has the power to sungle handedly redefine an internationally used definition.

If it's a word, we shouldn't write it in caps anymore either.
According to the TC document, "the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) doesn’t refer to
“NOTAM” as an acronym but rather a universally used term" - so this is Canada following, not leading, the international body.
Looks like I learned something new today!
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Anyways, back to the topic at hand.

One change I wish TC would make is for there to be a requirement for actual IMC for the instrument rating. The fact that you can conduct an entire instrument rating in "simulated conditions" beggars belief.
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How do you feel about people getting Helicopter instrument ratings in helicopters that aren’t approved for IFR flight (which is almost all of them)?
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What date are these new rules coming into effect?
Specifically the SOPs for all aircraft?
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Loading... wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:51 pm What date are these new rules coming into effect?
Specifically the SOPs for all aircraft?
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They’re still proposals at the moment, supposedly zero cost and low impact and therefore zero controversy. If you disagree or otherwise want to comment, you can email CARAC before 30 November.

I would expect the amendments to go through in a couple of years’ time.
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Choppermech1986 wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:21 pm All 70x operators required to produce and follow SOP's?! Watch the 702 & 703 VFR helicopter operators scramble to write something that vaguely reflects their operation and convince the 8 different personalities with a combined 50,000hrs that they should be doing things "the standard way".
HAHA I can hardly wait.
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kiaszceski wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:50 am
photofly wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:37 am
kiaszceski wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:35 am Notam will be NoTice to Air Missions.
That would have to be NOtice To Air Missions. But per the TC document (did you bother to read it?) only in FAA-land. The Rest Of The World is sticking with NOTAM as a non-acronym.
No, because Canada and TC are just puppets, so sooner or later it will become what Uncle Sam is saying.
If that were entirely true then the ADS-B mandate would be for the U.S.-only 978 MHz UAT and not the 1090 MHz ES.
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photofly wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:56 pm
Loading... wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:51 pm What date are these new rules coming into effect?
Specifically the SOPs for all aircraft?
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They’re still proposals at the moment, supposedly zero cost and low impact and therefore zero controversy. If you disagree or otherwise want to comment, you can email CARAC before 30 November.

I would expect the amendments to go through in a couple of years’ time.
So they're proposals, not actual changes that are forthcoming anytime soon...
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twa22 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:49 am
photofly wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:56 pm
Loading... wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:51 pm What date are these new rules coming into effect?
Specifically the SOPs for all aircraft?
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They’re still proposals at the moment, supposedly zero cost and low impact and therefore zero controversy. If you disagree or otherwise want to comment, you can email CARAC before 30 November.

I would expect the amendments to go through in a couple of years’ time.
So they're proposals, not actual changes that are forthcoming anytime soon...
They are a formal statement of TC’s intentions to change the regulations, which is the first step to every regulatory change. Unless efforts to lobby TC are successful, all these amendments will be gazetted in due course.

Whether they are forthcoming soon or not soon depends on how you interpret “soon”.
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Bede wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:17 pm Anyways, back to the topic at hand.

One change I wish TC would make is for there to be a requirement for actual IMC for the instrument rating. The fact that you can conduct an entire instrument rating in "simulated conditions" beggars belief.
I don't think that is currently a big problem. I would say a vast majority of pilots don't get real IMC in training, and end up doing just fine. I have never been able to tell if a pilot has had actual in cloud time when training pilots. If one was to worry about something more dangerous, I would rather mandate in actual darkness for night ratings. That does manifest itself in a pilot's ability. to deal with the condition.
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photofly wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:44 pm
The word 'cockpit' is being replaced with 'flight deck', which will, I'm sure, tickle some of the more conservative readers here.
Seems a shame to break with Naval tradition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockpit_(sailing)
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Will master switch and master compass be replaced too? Because that’s racist and stuff to the woke peoplekind. They call master bedroom in houses the primary now. The significant other told me that since she watches HGTV all the time. :roll: :rolleyes:
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