Negotiations

[PostmasterGeneral]

That doesn’t make sense. AC doesn’t much care what the JAZ MEC would have to say. It’s a bit of a nothing burger.

[Inverted2]

So this means they are running 3 December groundschools with 84 Jazz pilots in each one, right?

[Nick678]

I can't see AC facing any backlash from this but Jazz sure will. That 60% was used as a recruitment tool and that carrot got a lot of us here. Now they won't honour it and Jazz will hopefully pay the price.

But how can you compensate the guy/gals who were supposed to "flow" and are now loosing YOS, seniority, upgrade opportunities, etc ..... All for flying AC pax's around?

[mmm...bacon]

Johnny said it quite well:

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

Nov 7 PIT, Nov 21 PIT, Dec 7 PIT and Dec 28 PIT. That makes it 62 jazz pilots per PIT....How many people on the Nov 7th PIT?

[Malfunction]

If your goal is AC, it's much faster to get there anywhere else than Jazz. Don't bet your career on the 60% flow, it's not being followed. Staffing is getting worse at jazz and AC will continue to hire off the street so it dosnt cripple it's regional. Your career is your responsibility alone, make smart decisions.

[faculties11]

I can't see AC facing any backlash from this but Jazz sure will. That 60% was used as a recruitment tool and that carrot got a lot of us here. Now they won't honour it and Jazz will hopefully pay the price.

But how can you compensate the guy/gals who were supposed to "flow" and are now loosing YOS, seniority, upgrade opportunities, etc ..... All for flying AC pax's around?

Are you suggesting Jazz pilots who did not flow are entitled to compensation for losing YOS, seniority, upgrade opportunities that they were not entitled to in the first place unless they got an actual job at Air Canada? Air Canada doesn't owe you anything. They stopped the flow, re-started it and may stop it again in the future. The agreement should be honoured to its fullest.

Don't expect handouts.

[Loon-A-Tic]

I can't see AC facing any backlash from this but Jazz sure will. That 60% was used as a recruitment tool and that carrot got a lot of us here. Now they won't honour it and Jazz will hopefully pay the price.

But how can you compensate the guy/gals who were supposed to "flow" and are now loosing YOS, seniority, upgrade opportunities, etc ..... All for flying AC pax's around?

Are you suggesting Jazz pilots who did not flow are entitled to compensation for losing YOS, seniority, upgrade opportunities that they were not entitled to in the first place unless they got an actual job at Air Canada? Air Canada doesn't owe you anything. They stopped the flow, re-started it and may stop it again in the future. The agreement should be honoured to its fullest.

Don't expect handouts.

You can liken flow to a command upgrade, it's a chance to "qualify" not a guarantee. There's no entitlement in either offer, just an opportunity.

[Transition9er2]

Just a guess and speculation.

I can see AC trying to “buy out” the 60% flow.

Jazz could redistribute those funds into the pay scale to help bump it up and make the airline somewhat attractive to new hires. But I just don’t see how AC remains willing to continue with the current flow when they have so much hiring planned.

I guess time will tell.

[faculties11]

Just a guess and speculation.

I can see AC trying to “buy out” the 60% flow.

Jazz could redistribute those funds into the pay scale to help bump it up and make the airline somewhat attractive to new hires. But I just don’t see how AC remains willing to continue with the current flow when they have so much hiring planned.

I guess time will tell.

Will ACPA have something to say about that?

I see AC willing to lose millions in reduced CPA flying over the winter to take on Jazz pilots.

[KenoraPilot]

So are talks are over, low pay is here to stay

ALPA/Jazz talks still on going

[Inthrustwetrust]

How long do these talks normally go for?

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

As long as necessary...

[negroni]

How long do these talks normally go for?

Instant gratification generation.

"I WANT IT NOW"

[Inthrustwetrust]

Pretty basic question. Your sarcastic response is unwarranted. If you don't know just don't answer.

[negroni]

That's the point. No one knows. That's how these things work.

[KenoraPilot]

How long do these talks normally go for?

2 weeks to 12mths and possibly longer if warranted

[canadian_aviator_4]

How long do these talks normally go for?

Instant gratification generation.

"I WANT IT NOW"

Just relax negroni. An honest question. Glad someone more mature gave an honest answer.

[kiaszceski]

So are talks are over, low pay is here to stay

ALPA/Jazz talks still on going

That is a very good news!

Wild guess would be the negotiations will last as long as the Encore negotiations will.
And both proposition will come to the pilot group within couple of days of each other.

[Malfunction]

Just curious, anyone here acctually think this is a good deal? What hot garbage.

[flyingcanuck]

Just curious, anyone here acctually think this is a good deal? What hot garbage.

great example of how stats can be twisted to meet a narative. 85 is not the usual average, and perdiems should never be mentioned as a bonus for a job that is all traveling and away from home. what a joke

[2112]

Haha didn't their last facebook/linkdin ad say 87k starting? Could the salary actually be going down?

[canadian_aviator_4]

Absolutely pathetic company. I don’t understand how they expect to hire people promoting this pay?

[Malfunction]

There only choice is to raise wages.
If pay dosnt improve pilotswill leave/not apply. If they mess with the AC flow pilots will leave.

[Rowdy]

Lots of jazz and ac folk getting their FAA ATPLS currently..


6-7k out of pocket.. but lots of LARGE hiring and retention bonuses south of the 49th to offset that. Plus the massively higher wages, better working conditions and lower living costs.

Seems there is a large lack of faith in negotiations here north of the border.

Anyone have any cute American friends?