AC-JAZZ ALPA merger?

[loose]

Do you Jazz guys remember sometime back in early summer when you got an email from your CP about AC starting flow, and that everyone interested should redo their AC application and forward copy to Jazz. Well, that was just a test to get a sense of who wanted to go and the numbers. Thts about the time Jazz did it’s balance sheet and YES there was about 60 or so ATPLed FOs in the system. Everybody else were CAs, you know those young bloods just looking to bailout to go fly an airbus or Boeing with the big boys even if it comes with a 30k pay cut…. That is why flow stopped… So now AC is taking everybody else OTS because you are a valuable pawn that cannot be allowed to leave Jazz vulnerable even when they tell you you got no leverage. Show them leverage, refuse OT just one week, all of you. By mid month you will see improvement, and by years end you may not have a reason to leave Jazz for AC flat pay. That right there is how you fight the corporation, that’s how you fight greed, that’s how the Americans did it.

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

Jazz guys being called up to AC these days. The open time is going bananas with all the block being dropped in open time. The status quo can't last for that much longer. Planes will be parked and flights cancelled. Every base has almost 10-15 lines of CA open time flying....

[JoeyBarton]

Jazz guys being called up to AC these days. The open time is going bananas with all the block being dropped in open time. The status quo can't last for that much longer. Planes will be parked and flights cancelled. Every base has almost 10-15 lines of CA open time flying....

Me thinks Xmas time will be a total gong show on the express side. YUL 220 doing some yqr-yvr routes already...

[kiaszceski]

Jazz guys being called up to AC these days. The open time is going bananas with all the block being dropped in open time. The status quo can't last for that much longer. Planes will be parked and flights cancelled. Every base has almost 10-15 lines of CA open time flying....

Me thinks Xmas time will be a total gong show on the express side. YUL 220 doing some yqr-yvr routes already...

Wouldn't be interesting to upgrade those FO in Vancouver and Calgary and DH them out east to cover the pairings while keeping them based west?

[negroni]

Jazz guys being called up to AC these days. The open time is going bananas with all the block being dropped in open time. The status quo can't last for that much longer. Planes will be parked and flights cancelled. Every base has almost 10-15 lines of CA open time flying....

Me thinks Xmas time will be a total gong show on the express side. YUL 220 doing some yqr-yvr routes already...

Good. In most realities that's not exactly a regional route. In fact many of the routes Jazz does were originally flown by ML pilots with ML machines. Hopefully this is a push back in that direction.

[Inverted2]

Jazz guys being called up to AC these days. The open time is going bananas with all the block being dropped in open time. The status quo can't last for that much longer. Planes will be parked and flights cancelled. Every base has almost 10-15 lines of CA open time flying....

Me thinks Xmas time will be a total gong show on the express side. YUL 220 doing some yqr-yvr routes already...

It likely will be, but it’s a back and fourth thing. Jazz covered a ton of AC flying when the 737’s were grounded and lots of Georgian flying during that disaster. Jazz will continue to lose pilots to Flair, Porter, Cargojet etc until it makes itself competitive in the compensation department.

[flyingb]

Jazz guys being called up to AC these days. The open time is going bananas with all the block being dropped in open time. The status quo can't last for that much longer. Planes will be parked and flights cancelled. Every base has almost 10-15 lines of CA open time flying....

Me thinks Xmas time will be a total gong show on the express side. YUL 220 doing some yqr-yvr routes already...

Wouldn't be interesting to upgrade those FO in Vancouver and Calgary and DH them out east to cover the pairings while keeping them based west?

There are so many vacancies for skippers in YYZ that they can most likely simply create pairings with a DH at the start. Many FO's don't want to upgrade because they don't want to be based in YYZ. which totally makes sense. At the end of the month, with commute (which is bonkers at the moment between YUL and YYZ on a C4), crash pad etc, a BOTL captain in YYZ will be making as much as a FO block holder in YUL. Take those YYZ vacancies, throw them in YUL and many FO's will jump on the upgrade.

[negroni]

Or... Hear me out,

Raise the pay.

[Crewbunk]

The only large airline pilot merger in Canada that was DOH was Wardair/Canadian.

All the rest TZ/PW, PV/CP, CP/ND, CP/PW, AC/CP were either a ratio, length of service or DOH with a decrement. While a Jazz/AC merger is highly unlikely, I can’t imagine an arbitrator thinking DOH would be the best course of action.

[QKZXKV]

The only large airline pilot merger in Canada that was DOH was Wardair/Canadian.

All the rest TZ/PW, PV/CP, CP/ND, CP/PW, AC/CP were either a ratio, length of service or DOH with a decrement. While a Jazz/AC merger is highly unlikely, I can’t imagine an arbitrator thinking DOH would be the best course of action.

and the numbskulls saying "ALPA constitution this and that blah blah blah" are dreaming in technicolor... I agree it's highly unlikely.

[negroni]

The only large airline pilot merger in Canada that was DOH was Wardair/Canadian.

All the rest TZ/PW, PV/CP, CP/ND, CP/PW, AC/CP were either a ratio, length of service or DOH with a decrement. While a Jazz/AC merger is highly unlikely, I can’t imagine an arbitrator thinking DOH would be the best course of action.

and the numbskulls saying "ALPA constitution this and that blah blah blah" are dreaming in technicolor... I agree it's highly unlikely.

They are. Especially since the alpa constitution says absolutely nothing about DOH. It goes as far as actually highlighting things like longevity, type of operations, career earnings etc.

[rudder]

The only large airline pilot merger in Canada that was DOH was Wardair/Canadian.

All the rest TZ/PW, PV/CP, CP/ND, CP/PW, AC/CP were either a ratio, length of service or DOH with a decrement. While a Jazz/AC merger is highly unlikely, I can’t imagine an arbitrator thinking DOH would be the best course of action.

and the numbskulls saying "ALPA constitution this and that blah blah blah" are dreaming in technicolor... I agree it's highly unlikely.

They are. Especially since the alpa constitution says absolutely nothing about DOH. It goes as far as actually highlighting things like longevity, type of operations, career earnings etc.

Career Expectations.
Longevity.
Status and Category.

In no particular order. With no weighting assigned. And not considered limiting from advancing any other additional factors in an arbitration.

http://www3.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?fil ... tabid=3345

The chances of a Jazz/AC pilot merger under this policy are virtually nil, for many reasons. However, a list and/or operational consolidation is not out if the question based on corporate action or consent from the parties (which would likely only flow from a prepackaged solution).

[sstaurus]

Shhhh… you guys keep saying ‘alpa’ and ‘constitution’ and you’ll attract you-know-who out of retirement…

[negroni]

Shhhh… you guys keep saying ‘alpa’ and ‘constitution’ and you’ll attract you-know-who out of retirement…

Does he even have a profile account here?

[Ratherbe]

However, a list and/or operational consolidation is not out if the question based on corporate action or consent from the parties (which would likely only flow from a prepackaged solution).

So, is this the hidden agenda driving the P4C MEC? Their pals at Jazz get an ALPA forced merged list avoiding labour strife? Kind of like NWA and Delta?

[negroni]

However, a list and/or operational consolidation is not out if the question based on corporate action or consent from the parties (which would likely only flow from a prepackaged solution).

So, is this the hidden agenda driving the P4C MEC? Their pals at Jazz get an ALPA forced merged list avoiding labour strife? Kind of like NWA and Delta?

[QKZXKV]

The only large airline pilot merger in Canada that was DOH was Wardair/Canadian.

All the rest TZ/PW, PV/CP, CP/ND, CP/PW, AC/CP were either a ratio, length of service or DOH with a decrement. While a Jazz/AC merger is highly unlikely, I can’t imagine an arbitrator thinking DOH would be the best course of action.

and the numbskulls saying "ALPA constitution this and that blah blah blah" are dreaming in technicolor... I agree it's highly unlikely.

They are. Especially since the alpa constitution says absolutely nothing about DOH. It goes as far as actually highlighting things like longevity, type of operations, career earnings etc.

Some of their MEC mentors try to trick the younger/newer crowds that DOH will be honoured. It's sad!