TA…HERE IT IS AND IT SUCKS

[Apestogetherstrong]

Pathetic TA. SEE BELOW
FO ANNUAL TO STEP 10
73.5k
78.5k
81.3k
84.4k
88k
91.4k
… skipping a few
Step 10 is 104.4k

COMMANDER to step 12
150k
156k
162k
170
178
185
…
Step 12 $221,000.

[Bacunayagua]

The FO side is extremely disappointing. Any other important takeaways from the TA? This is still a TA, correct? Not an arbitrated decision or binding in any way and still needs to be voted on?

[200Above]

Disappointed.

Last one here turn off the lights

[Apestogetherstrong]

The FO pay is disappointing I agree. Will not solve the retention problem. Theres a bunch who were waiting to see the new contract before applying elsewhere. Rest of the details will follow.

[DanWEC]

Well, looks like the capts got a desperately needed 30% bump across the board.
FO side 4-8%. Starting is acceptable but IMO it should top out a little higher.
Top scale Capt makes more than equiv AC 737 skip. Senior FO a little less.

Could be worse, it's a low cost airline flying 738s. Hopefully the capt pay will wake up some other airlines.

Good start anyways until the retention/signing bonuses culminate industry-wide within a few years.

[Airbrake]

Any other info like MMG?
Pay is important but other details matter.

[hithere]

I don’t think Flair currently has any problem attracting FOs. The problem is keeping them long enough to go left seat and stay there instead of leaving for AC. The new Capt pay may give them reason to stay at Flair, depending on what the rest of the package looks like.

[Apestogetherstrong]

Still at 85 mmg

[hithere]

That table says the current MMG is 80. The proposed TA goes to 85

[indieadventurer]

Current mmg is 80. This represents a 5 hrs/month increase to 85 and an extra day of work for many individuals depending on their position on the seniority list.

Hearing resoundingly no votes at this point.

[Aspiredtofly]

Pathetic TA. SEE BELOW
FO ANNUAL TO STEP 10
73.5k
78.5k
81.3k
84.4k
88k
91.4k
… skipping a few
Step 10 is 104.4k

COMMANDER to step 12
150k
156k
162k
170
178
185
…
Step 12 $221,000.

You got a photo of the TA or something?

[Aspiredtofly]

Do you accure years of service when upgrading to captain? How does that work

[Anonymouse]

Big old @#$! you to FOs.

[indieadventurer]

Do you accure years of service when upgrading to captain? How does that work

No.

[Apestogetherstrong]

Pathetic TA. SEE BELOW
FO ANNUAL TO STEP 10
73.5k
78.5k
81.3k
84.4k
88k
91.4k
… skipping a few
Step 10 is 104.4k

COMMANDER to step 12
150k
156k
162k
170
178
185
…
Step 12 $221,000.

You got a photo of the TA or something?

Here you go

[BTD]

Top scale Capt makes more than equiv AC 737 skip. Senior FO a little less.

I wish for yours and all our sakes that were the case. But for now…

737 Capt. Day - 216 Night- 244
FO Day - 145. Night - 162

Plus Nav and Ovrseas.

[Aspiredtofly]

Pathetic TA. SEE BELOW
FO ANNUAL TO STEP 10
73.5k
78.5k
81.3k
84.4k
88k
91.4k
… skipping a few
Step 10 is 104.4k

COMMANDER to step 12
150k
156k
162k
170
178
185
…
Step 12 $221,000.

You got a photo of the TA or something?

Here you go

Can't you guys vote this shit down or something? Like how can you increase the dbm rate upto 85hrs/month. Also what's with the 9% increase for first officers? Didn't some guy mention it was supposed to be 88k for first years? Wtf dude

[DanWEC]

Hold on.
80 to 85 hrs is an extra 6% of work. For a 4% pay raise on the FO side?

Am I interpreting this incorrectly, or do they actually want you to take a PAY CUT???

[YC87DRVR]

9 years for FO’s to break 100k and the same for skippers to break 200k. Ouch.

But did any of you actually think a ULCC in its infancy, with huge expansion plans was going to come throw a pile of cash at you and be the first Canadian carrier to lead the way with pay raises. You should be taken out back and shot if you honestly thought that was going to be the case.

[safetyfirst123]

Some more charts for reference ...

Looks like a no to me!

[Joeschumer]

Top scale Capt makes more than equiv AC 737 skip. Senior FO a little less.

I wish for yours and all our sakes that were the case. But for now…

737 Capt. Day - 216 Night- 244
FO Day - 145. Night - 162

Plus Nav and Ovrseas.

The hourly is lower but the guaranteed salary actually is higher than AC, regardless, very few if anybody will be at the top scale during the duration of this CBA.

[DanWEC]

Top scale Capt makes more than equiv AC 737 skip. Senior FO a little less.

I wish for yours and all our sakes that were the case. But for now…

737 Capt. Day - 216 Night- 244
FO Day - 145. Night - 162

Plus Nav and Ovrseas.

Ah, yes. Well the day rate is the same. Spitting distance anyhow, which is still something to have such a comparable between AC and a new LCC. But I agree, especially combined with pension, the lack of benefits deducted at AC, etc. Guess it isn't actually higher. Still, it gets the water moving.

[slottedslat]

Under current contract with 80 MMG, if you work 5 hours of OT that's $75,524 in a year

Under new contract, you also work 85 hours but receive $73,470

Enough said.

[TC.Enforcement]

Under current contract with 80 MMG, if you work 5 hours of OT that's $75,524 in a year

Under new contract, you also work 85 hours but receive $73,470

Enough said.

This is false. That 5 hours above 80 is paid at straight time. So for working 85 hours right now, you’d earn $71,327 in a year. BUT, I still see your point.

[co-joe]

Big old @#$! you to FOs.

How is being the highest paid FOs in Canada for 2 years and then upgrading, a big F U?