Salary Survey 2022

[YHZCL]

It's funny, per diems shouldn't be mentioned, until your employer stops offering them, then all of a sudden they'll be looking for companies that offer per diems

*Edited to add link.

Per diems are legally required by the government for employees that travel away from their base, regardless of profession. In fact you can google the amount required to be paid, it’s just over 90$ a day as of 2022 I believe. Don’t act like they are doing you a favour by paying it.

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency ... -2022.html

I would love to see a reference that requires an employer to pay 90 dollars a day per diem. The link you provided shows the maximum allowance for tax deductions etc. It's not a required minimum.

You are right, my mistake. I just figured all operators tried to match that amount as much as possible.

Regardless, this is a talk about salary, including per diems is embarrassing.

[Bede]

Regardless, this is a talk about salary, including per diems is embarrassing.

I disagree. While per diems are intended to reimburse for meal costs, some companies (ie Jazz) negotiate very generous per diems that approach the statutory maximum ($117/day). Because per diems are tax free, I'd rather see a per diem increase than a pay increase.

[slob driver]

2022 salary and flying stats

Yr. 12 737 Captain, WestJet.
Do not do Overtime. Just fly my block.
420 hours hard time in seat, with 940 credit hours paid.
A little over 1650 time away from base (TAFB) for year.
81 days worked plus approx. 20 days on ALPA Flight pay loss

-Salary- $209,000
-Company matched portion of non-registered saving plan- $42,000
-Contractually paid bonuses (Captain bonus, grievance settlements etc.)- $15,000
Total taxable compensation- $266,000
-Non taxable compensation (per diems and dry cleaning)- $6,800


Certain expectations for 2023 (crystal ball without a zombie apocalypse occurring)- 2022 time in seat lower than normal due omicron at beginning of year and some ALPA committee work throughout the year. Assuming 600-650 hard hours in seat and 130-145 days worked in 2023 with credit hours at about 975.

2023 Time away from base TAFB more likely normalized at 2700-2900 over the year.

Happy new year everyone

[YHZCL]

Regardless, this is a talk about salary, including per diems is embarrassing.

I disagree. While per diems are intended to reimburse for meal costs, some companies (ie Jazz) negotiate very generous per diems that approach the statutory maximum ($117/day). Because per diems are tax free, I'd rather see a per diem increase than a pay increase.

Don’t know where you’re eating but if you are eating 3 decent meals a day that you consider 117$ generous. (not eating 4 day old leftovers, or fast food)

[Bede]

Don’t know where you’re eating but if you are eating 3 decent meals a day that you consider 117$ generous. (not eating 4 day old leftovers, or fast food)

I'm cheap. I eat one good meal a day. Keeps the calories down.

[RoAF-Mig21]

Regional airline F/O (with a bit of experience, clearly not my first year)
$78,000 base pay. Actual pay around $85,000 including a little overtime*
Per diems: $17,000 per year**
Total: $102,000 a year.

*Overtime averages 1.5 days a month. I don't do it for the money, but when I want a specific layover, such as going to see a sporting event or to have a citybreak with my family or visit friends. They normally have little flying with min. credit and longer layovers. It's a nice way to enjoy a "free trip" from time to time withouth having to pay for it...

**I count per diems if I get it because I spend that on things like food, which I would have spent anyway if I worked another job from home. So the 16 days a month I'm not home, I have to eat and that per diem covers that. The problem is, you can't count on that as "guarantee pay". You only get it if you do certain amount of flying / time away from base. Per diems could be higher, or lower, than the mentioned ammount. I just gave the avearge.

[ant_321]

737 Captain. $191,000.

[Donald]

I worked at a company where per diems were raised to provide more money to the pilot group, without it looking like a pay raise to the other union groups.

So sometimes you should consider per diems as part of your salary.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I am unfamiliar, does 604 include management companies as well or is it straight corporate ?

Some yes

[digits_]

Regardless, this is a talk about salary, including per diems is embarrassing.

I disagree. While per diems are intended to reimburse for meal costs, some companies (ie Jazz) negotiate very generous per diems that approach the statutory maximum ($117/day). Because per diems are tax free, I'd rather see a per diem increase than a pay increase.

Don’t know where you’re eating but if you are eating 3 decent meals a day that you consider 117$ generous. (not eating 4 day old leftovers, or fast food)

The goal of per diems is also not to feed you, it's to cover the price difference between food at home and food on the road. It's easy to blow through 117 a day, it's just as easy to stay significantly under it. Whether you spend it all, or attempt to save as much as possible, I think we can agree higher is better, and that it does affect your choice of employer. Which makes it important info to know when considering an employer.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I disagree. While per diems are intended to reimburse for meal costs, some companies (ie Jazz) negotiate very generous per diems that approach the statutory maximum ($117/day). Because per diems are tax free, I'd rather see a per diem increase than a pay increase.

Don’t know where you’re eating but if you are eating 3 decent meals a day that you consider 117$ generous. (not eating 4 day old leftovers, or fast food)

The goal of per diems is also not to feed you, it's to cover the price difference between food at home and food on the road. It's easy to blow through 117 a day, it's just as easy to stay significantly under it. Whether you spend it all, or attempt to save as much as possible, I think we can agree higher is better, and that it does affect your choice of employer. Which makes it important info to know when considering an employer.

Agreed, per-diems these day are all over the place from $40-day to $250/day depending on where you’re working. It’s something I’d definitely keep an eye on when factoring what appropriate remuneration is.

[WhataYoke]

3rd year Regional Q FO

Gross pay: $60,000
Deductions: ($25,000)
Net Pay: $35,000
Total flight hrs flown in 2022: 690hrs

[PersonPersonson]

Year 3 703 Captain base pay 86k after O/T total 105-110k. Flying 900 hours/year sked flying. No duties outside of the cockpit. Plus about 5k of rrsp matching

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Year 3 703 Captain base pay 86k after O/T total 105-110k. Flying 900 hours/year sked flying. No duties outside of the cockpit. Plus about 5k of rrsp matching

Is that a defined benefit or contribution RSP?

[PersonPersonson]

Year 3 703 Captain base pay 86k after O/T total 105-110k. Flying 900 hours/year sked flying. No duties outside of the cockpit. Plus about 5k of rrsp matching

Is that a defined benefit or contribution RSP?

Contribution RSP

[altiplano]

AC NB CA
$258K gross
No extra OT, but a bit of premium paid
~475 hours actual flying time, ~130 t/o & landings

[200Above]

900
Yr 2:114K
ESOP: 114k
No Benefits/Per diem/Pension
3 weeks vacation
1 night away 2022. Home every other night.
220T hours.
Don’t message me please. Niche market.

[link821]

AC NB CA
$258K gross
No extra OT, but a bit of premium paid
~475 hours actual flying time, ~130 t/o & landings

How many YOS?

[Inverted2]

Jazz captain. $165,000. That includes 1-2 days of overtime a month.

Per diems average $1300-$1600 a month.

[cdnavater]

Per diems or not to include per diems?
Consider this, when I worked for companies that did not include them, I had them sign a T2200 form which is now a TL2 form for my taxes.
I used the simplified method which does not require a receipt and it allowed, at the time 11.00 per meal up to 33.00 per day(diem). Every 4 hours away from your home base was one meal, so a full duty day allowed three meals.
After calculating the meal allowance you used 50% to reduce your taxable income by that amount.
Same thing as a long haul truck driver, same forms which now allows 23.00 per meal.
So, for a company that does not provide reimbursement or per diems, the CRA allows you to reduce your taxable income, why then would you not include your tax free income in your calculations?
We all have to eat and because I prefer to eat homemade food, I always had enough food with me that I typically only ate out one meal per day of a pairing, pocketing the rest.

[RoAF-Mig21]

Per diems or not to include per diems?

It's perfectly fine to include per diems, as long as we make it clear that our base salary is X, average salary is XY and per-diems are XYZ.

The flying I do at work, 16 days a month, 15 nights away from home, I make anywhere between $350 - $450 CAD every 4 days in per diems. That could be $1400 to $1800 tax free a month. ($17,000 - $20,000 a year extra, all tax free). Sure that's meant to cover meals and other expenses while away from home, but it's still important to point out that while I'm away I don't eat at home and my family only buys food for themselves. Also our electricity and water bill is lower because I'm not there to use it. Sure it's small potatoes, but every penny counts in today's economy.

The problem is when you count those per diems toward your "standard of living".

It's tough when you have bills and expenses that could not be covered without having those per diems. Depending on that extra income is tough. Personally my per diems are all spent on food / gas to and from work, as well as attractions or activities that I do when I'm away from home, such as going to a museum in NYC, a hockey game in Boston or catch a movie in Montreal. It's not hard to blow thought $350 in 4 days if you're careless, especially

[porcsord]

703/704 training captain / ACP
600 hours flown
~10 Nights away from home for the year.
149k gross

[Jet Jockey]

My numbers are in...

297 hours flown.

$262K includes some overtime and a bonus.

5 weeks vacation.

Since some include per diems, my total was just under $20K.

[Flight94]

Jazz captain. $165,000. That includes 1-2 days of overtime a month.

Per diems average $1300-$1600 a month.

How many years in if you don't mind me asking? Didn't know there was that kind of earning potential at Jazz. Thanks.

[Inverted2]

Jazz captain. $165,000. That includes 1-2 days of overtime a month.

Per diems average $1300-$1600 a month.

How many years in if you don't mind me asking? Didn't know there was that kind of earning potential at Jazz. Thanks.

Top payscale……after you hit your 17th year. Takes a while.