AME pay scales on the rise !

[johnkruk]

Seen both Cargojet and Porter have both increased there pay scales by a large margin. Is it time for the major players to pay up finally ?!?!

[Dronepiper]

What are their new scales?

[johnkruk]

Topping out just over 50$ for AME - ACA

[SeptRepair]

As an employee? or Contractor?

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Topping out just over 50$ for AME - ACA

A wage that exists most larger carriers. It’s sad that $50 is “up”

[-42]

Enjoy those pork chops at 3:30 AM for the next 10 years. Hell for 50 an hour you could buy some nice sunglasses to block the burning sun at 5 AM when you get off with the rest of the vampires on a Sunday morning. Why the hell would anyone want to do that even for 100 an hour. Pure garbage.

[chowda]

"Because you get to work on airplanes. But you wouldnt understand that because you dont have the passion to be in aviation."


Just throwing together the only probable response from any mouthfoamer that dares to respond with what they would consider a mic dropping reply.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Enjoy those pork chops at 3:30 AM for the next 10 years. Hell for 50 an hour you could buy some nice sunglasses to block the burning sun at 5 AM when you get off with the rest of the vampires on a Sunday morning. Why the hell would anyone want to do that even for 100 an hour. Pure garbage.

Steaming hot garbage. The solution is manpower. But manpower costs money. They won’t even pay for what’s available now, just work you twice as hard for a rate of1.5x some of the hours you work…. If they don’t hours of averaging your ass to death.

[drone_driver24]

https://www.iamaw.ca/industry-leading-a ... SOS_30uHWk

[-42]

Still not enough. Industry is so screwed. Love it.

[Pat Richard]

Still not enough. Industry is so screwed. Love it.

Was thinking exactly that.

10 years ago it would have been modestly significant but now there is no way that those increases will make a measurable impact on living expenses.

Additionally, throw in the combined fed/prov tax rates for incomes right around $100000 annually and you're giving away on average 44% of that income every year. Over 155000 a year you're looking at another average of 7%(51% total) gone.

Then you can get into carbon taxation, fuel, food, property taxes, increasing utilities charges, etc, etc, etc. I knew a grad student years ago who did a thesis on what Canadians pay in total tax out of there income and it was just under 70%, depending on individual scenarios. This was almost 20 years ago so I imagine its gotten significantly worse since the leftist has been ruling here.

Anyway, food for thought. Im of the opinion its too late for aviation, or many other industries, to "wage raise" their way out of their inability to attract workers to high cost of living centers, not to mention shit work(aviation)conditions. Most will still be some form of "high" paid working poor, arguably worse off in a big metropolitan center verses a more rural area.

Just like -42, I love it because the industry deserves what its earned.

[-42]

Agreed Pat. The magic bullet for most industries now is immigration on a massive scale. Flood the markets with cheap, extremely naive and easily manipulated labour. Most immigrants I speak to on jobs are immediately willing, able and ready to give up everything to please the employer. Gladly as I slip slowly into retirement these same people will provide me with all the comforts I require at a cheaper cost. The flip side to that is the greedy employer will benefit even more until the immigrants figure it out which should take twenty years until the next wave.

[Pat Richard]

I agree that that is/has been the go to for this shit industry, but I wonder how feasible it will be going forward?

From the majority of my personal experiences, most of the imports leave a lot to be desired with regards to critical thinking, decision making, and just plain aptitude. Very much like Gen Z's, but without the entitlement, lol.
Generally, they are in need of exact instruction and, due to their cultural upbringing, are timid to even attempt to own a sitiuation or think indepently.
A certain island nation is very bad for this in its particularly if a crew is made up of them. Only the crewchief speaks and its a major insult if anyone "lower" than him doesn't know "their place".

Most come from a big airline in their home country where that kind of hierarchy is dominant.It will work here as long as there is somebody who is in place to instruct them and as long as pooling their money gets them some sort of accomodation and transportation. This has all been explained to me by several of these guys. Their plans are absolutely minimize their living expenses and send the rest home

The way things are going I believe industry will just lower their expectations with regards to quality levels, similar to what you see in a lot of restaraunts because of inabilities to attract skilled people. They just make the menu more mediocre/simple so that the lower pay taking/less skilled people can make a go of it.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I agree that that is/has been the go to for this shit industry, but I wonder how feasible it will be going forward?

From the majority of my personal experiences, most of the imports leave a lot to be desired with regards to critical thinking, decision making, and just plain aptitude. Very much like Gen Z's, but without the entitlement, lol.
Generally, they are in need of exact instruction and, due to their cultural upbringing, are timid to even attempt to own a sitiuation or think indepently.
A certain island nation is very bad for this in its particularly if a crew is made up of them. Only the crewchief speaks and its a major insult if anyone "lower" than him doesn't know "their place".

Most come from a big airline in their home country where that kind of hierarchy is dominant.It will work here as long as there is somebody who is in place to instruct them and as long as pooling their money gets them some sort of accomodation and transportation. This has all been explained to me by several of these guys. Their plans are absolutely minimize their living expenses and send the rest home

The way things are going I believe industry will just lower their expectations with regards to quality levels, similar to what you see in a lot of restaraunts because of inabilities to attract skilled people. They just make the menu more mediocre/simple so that the lower pay taking/less skilled people can make a go of it.

Well, I don’t see this trend slowing any time soon if ever. There’s going to be a really big f$&k up before things start to correct

[DanWEC]

Transat just substantiality jacked their AME wages by up to 26% this week.

Edit- never mind, that was the original topic link!

[Pat Richard]

I agree that that is/has been the go to for this shit industry, but I wonder how feasible it will be going forward?

From the majority of my personal experiences, most of the imports leave a lot to be desired with regards to critical thinking, decision making, and just plain aptitude. Very much like Gen Z's, but without the entitlement, lol.
Generally, they are in need of exact instruction and, due to their cultural upbringing, are timid to even attempt to own a sitiuation or think indepently.
A certain island nation is very bad for this in its particularly if a crew is made up of them. Only the crewchief speaks and its a major insult if anyone "lower" than him doesn't know "their place".

Most come from a big airline in their home country where that kind of hierarchy is dominant.It will work here as long as there is somebody who is in place to instruct them and as long as pooling their money gets them some sort of accomodation and transportation. This has all been explained to me by several of these guys. Their plans are absolutely minimize their living expenses and send the rest home

The way things are going I believe industry will just lower their expectations with regards to quality levels, similar to what you see in a lot of restaraunts because of inabilities to attract skilled people. They just make the menu more mediocre/simple so that the lower pay taking/less skilled people can make a go of it.

Well, I don’t see this trend slowing any time soon if ever. There’s going to be a really big f$&k up before things start to correct

I agree. Its really the only avenue left for them. You can only rely on puppy mills for a few bodies, especially when a good chunk of them never even bother to try this field after graduation.

Reality is a bitch, lol

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I agree that that is/has been the go to for this shit industry, but I wonder how feasible it will be going forward?

From the majority of my personal experiences, most of the imports leave a lot to be desired with regards to critical thinking, decision making, and just plain aptitude. Very much like Gen Z's, but without the entitlement, lol.
Generally, they are in need of exact instruction and, due to their cultural upbringing, are timid to even attempt to own a sitiuation or think indepently.
A certain island nation is very bad for this in its particularly if a crew is made up of them. Only the crewchief speaks and its a major insult if anyone "lower" than him doesn't know "their place".

Most come from a big airline in their home country where that kind of hierarchy is dominant.It will work here as long as there is somebody who is in place to instruct them and as long as pooling their money gets them some sort of accomodation and transportation. This has all been explained to me by several of these guys. Their plans are absolutely minimize their living expenses and send the rest home

The way things are going I believe industry will just lower their expectations with regards to quality levels, similar to what you see in a lot of restaraunts because of inabilities to attract skilled people. They just make the menu more mediocre/simple so that the lower pay taking/less skilled people can make a go of it.

Well, I don’t see this trend slowing any time soon if ever. There’s going to be a really big f$&k up before things start to correct

I agree. Its really the only avenue left for them. You can only rely on puppy mills for a few bodies, especially when a good chunk of them never even bother to try this field after graduation.

Reality is a bitch, lol

These jerks roll the dice all the time to save a buck, including but not limited to employee safety and liability. Sooooooo over it in Canada.

[Spot2go]

Canadian pay VS American

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Canadian pay VS American

If those numbers are correct (which I’m sure they are) no wonder Canada is hiring the dregs

[-42]

Why won’t employers post wages? Let’s see here and speculate. Are they embarrassed? Are they playing you for stupid? What exactly is the goal here? Enquiring minds want to know what the sour flavour of the day employer is hoping to achieve by not posting at least the resemblance of an hourly wage. The usual “competitive”, “industry standard” should be a big red warning flag with flashing lights for anyone willing to sacrifice their life for said potential employer. Good luck on your future endeavours.

[RoAF-Mig21]

I'm sorry I don't have anything important to add, but as a pilot, I have to say:

WHATEVER AMEs MAKE IS NOT ENOUGH. YOU GUYS NEED MORE MONEY FOR THE "THANKLESS" WORK YOU DO.

I really hope you get paid what you're really worth... because in the end, I go home to my wife and kid because you guys give me a plane safe to fly.

For that alone I will always have the respect for AMEs.

[Pat Richard]

thanks for your kind comments, and FWIW, I've met a few pilots with similar attiudes over the years but you are more the exception rather than the rule.

It does help to hear that kind of supportove comment because we usually never do from anybody, but ultimately the lack of dollars needs to change.

Im curious about the mig 21 in your profile pic/username. Is there a back story there?

[RoAF-Mig21]

Im curious about the mig 21 in your profile pic/username. Is there a back story there?

Nothing exciting regarding me, unfortunately. My old man was a captain (ret.) in the Romanian Air Force. I will never live up to his acomplishments, no matter how much I try. I gave him a grandkid, so he's happy enough

[Bede]

Why won’t employers post wages? Let’s see here and speculate. Are they embarrassed? Are they playing you for stupid? What exactly is the goal here? Enquiring minds want to know what the sour flavour of the day employer is hoping to achieve by not posting at least the resemblance of an hourly wage.

I don’t think posting wages is important. Why? Because you know your worth and you should negotiate. Who cares what they offer- make a counter. Is there an opening in a city you’d live in? If yes, apply. If you get offered the job start negotiating your wage. If it’s satisfactory, then either take the job or use it to negotiate a pay raise wit your current employer. If they don’t want to negotiate, they can start the lengthy hiring process over with someone else. Eventually they’ll get the idea.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Why won’t employers post wages? Let’s see here and speculate. Are they embarrassed? Are they playing you for stupid? What exactly is the goal here? Enquiring minds want to know what the sour flavour of the day employer is hoping to achieve by not posting at least the resemblance of an hourly wage.

I don’t think posting wages is important. Why? Because you know your worth and you should negotiate. Who cares what they offer- make a counter. Is there an opening in a city you’d live in? If yes, apply. If you get offered the job start negotiating your wage. If it’s satisfactory, then either take the job or use it to negotiate a pay raise wit your current employer. If they don’t want to negotiate, they can start the lengthy hiring process over with someone else. Eventually they’ll get the idea.

I can say without a doubt you sell more of anything with a price tag, but, that thing has to be the thing you’re selling.

The best thing to do if a candidate is serious about the job ad is to call and ask HR what the salary is, the response should be enough to make a decision as to wether you should even apply.

Listing a job without any kind of wage attached is indicative of slimy “negotiation” (gentle euphemism for “deception”) tactics in any industry.
I know for a fact employers do it to draw more naive licenses under false pretenses of elaborate, grandiose, confusing, and disingenuous job ads, designed to sucker someone into a crap job for low pay and unrealistic expectations.
Once they have the candidate jump through interview and pre-screening hurdles avoiding all discussion of remuneration what usually happens is a job offer slid across the table with a grossly low figure. At that point there’s been an enormous amount of energy spent by the potential candidate with high expectations of “competitive wages” etc. who 9/10 times feels pressured to take the job regardless. Managers will shower the hesitant and discouraged candidate with every promise and praise under the sun (never in writing) as to why they should take the job despite the obvious disappointment.
This method, as immoral as it is does work on most candidates unfortunately, it’s borderline illegal in some instances (premeditated constructive dismissal territory).

Those candidates that go back with a higher figure in mind or better schedule etc. are usually ghosted (sometimes blacklisted if the company is organized enough).
Management pulls another adequate resume, and the process starts over. It’s a boilerplate process and costs the company nothing, but almost always comes under budget for salary targets as there are always enough resumes to draw from.
Aviation in Canada is probably one of the few if not only dominating industries listing jobs without a wage attached for that reason alone, to come under budget.

Providing pay information is essential so both parties don’t waste each-others time. In the USA you’d be hard pressed to find a pilot or A&P job listed without pay info, and ones that are, usually fall under part 91 ma and pa operators playing the same game mentioned above.

Bottom line: List the damn pay-scale, it’s even illegal in some states and provinces not to for the aforementioned reasons. The only reason the salary is not listed is deception and bad faith.