AME pay scales on the rise !

[Bug_Stomper_01]

National security? That’s hilarious actually. Canada went from 3rd strongest in World War 2 to what? Couple busted subs, some howitzers and a woke, underfunded, under appreciated, grossly, understaffed and demoralized labour pool. Canada and it’s current government couldn’t defend itself or help in a major disaster if it tried. The only thing Canada has is a direct resource bank for the U.S. at a discounted rate, without that we couldn’t fight our way out of a wet paper bag. The civilian side of things show it too, who wants to eat $$$$ for bum pay in Fort whatever or Lake somewhere? Not today Canadians that’s who.

What I meant by national security was maintaining airlines’ ability to serve basic flying demand, not defence. I agree with everything else you’ve stated.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

It's depressing when that is called 'high pay' in the ad.

The fact that someone will bite infuriates me. I made more than that on one astar in the arctic 20 f’n years ago and was home more than half of the year

I’m in type training, corporate airplanes, Bombardier products. Good part 91 or 135 customers ( private or management companies ) with Global platforms in the US pay their guys anything between 140,000 at the lowest of the scale ( typical 160,000 usd ), to 200,000 usd. I’ve been doing this for the last 12 years , and these numbers are very recent. Friend of mine, maintenance manager at Solairus Aviation out of Austin, Tx, has two guys wrenching on globals, 200,000 Usd for one of them and the other pretty close behind.
Better than that, same dude doing the same F...g job as me, a lot less qualified and capable, working for the same employer, but based out of Texas instead on YUL, makes 30% more !
The Canadian market is crap..period. It’s too small to start, and like someone mentioned before, the constant influx of large numbers of immigrants ( close to 600,000 people every year) WITHOUT an equivalent market to sustain this, makes it so that these people are competing for the few quality jobs out there, and since the new guys need to survive ( I’m not blaming anyone), people will be willing to work for less, as they have no choice to feed their kids.
I can go on and on about the other politics regarding immigration, but suffice to say, the country just can’t sustain that many people at once....housing , job market, health care etc etc...it’s a train wreck. They’re sacrificing a whole generation and hope for things to readjust themselves in the future. 25 years ago, an everage of 200,000-250,000 were being accepted into the country, today it’s 600,000 !
Don’t want to hurt any feelings, but this place would have been better if it was the 56th state....

I’m states side too and your salary numbers are definitely correct. Canada is a joke and aviation is shrinking because of the various factors already discussed in the forums. I’m in helicopters here and make a very comfortable living compared to the dog sh1t Canadas industry turned itself into. Anyone working full time in Canada as an AME on helicopters that isn’t an owner I truly feel bad for.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Last year's 437000 was the highest number of immigrants ever. Your numbers are off by 50%

https://www.cicnews.com/2023/01/canada- ... #gs.micw78

431,645 actually, below is an actual citable link for the correct number.
There are definitely socioeconomic differences and problems being generated by such a massive influx of newcomers.
Employers (some not all) are definitely taking advantage of new Canadians and their distressed situations which does drive down rates and increase competition / workload.


https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-re ... -2022.html

Here’s this wonderful liberal government’s plan moving forward below, it’s too many, too fast, with no infrastructure to support these people.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-re ... -2024.html

“A new poll suggests 30 per cent of new, young immigrants to Canada could leave the country in the next two years.
According to a national survey conducted by Leger for the Institute for Canadian Citizenship (ICC), 30 per cent of new Canadians aged 18-34, and 23 per cent of university-educated new Canadians, said they are likely to move to another country in the next two years.“

“ 75 per cent of new Canadians between the ages of 18 and 34 said they believe the rising cost of living means immigrants are less likely to stay in Canada, a statement with which 46 per cent of Canadians in the same age group also agreed.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/young-imm ... -1.5835140

And it’s only getting worse, it’s extremely expensive for each and every new Canadian we bring here as well as to Canadian tax payers only to see them bounce back home or states side, that’s money we don’t get back and the damage many create when they leave is abysmal “absconding on debts granted, legal fees, leaving a hole in their employment, etc.”.
We do need immigrants, but this gross negligence by our government piling these people on top of each-other and the rest of Canada is causing more harm than good.
It’s not fair to them and it’s not fair to domestic Canadians. The influx even with the ones that leave each year still out paces infrastructure and desirable property in Canada. That drives up the cost of everything. Look no further than Vancouver and Toronto as a crystal ball of what Canada as a whole is becoming, both unaffordable sh1tholes, and everyone is trapped in a miserable rat race.
There is definitely some enmity from this PMO towards natural born Canadians which I still can’t understand, but definitely makes me wonder what motivates these actions. They have the stats figured out better than any of us after all.

[SeptRepair]

For AME’s that still want to do this in Canada, I suggest starting your own AMO. It’s not the easiest or most stable way to make a living, but it is the best way to control your work and remuneration .

Man I wrestle with that thought daily. I have pretty much everything to start an AMO. Love working on my own, love being in control and setting my hours that suit me. But I hate people. The hours can be long somedays. Each day there is easily a couple hours that are not billable time. Guy needs to be gone from home 10-12 every day to make a decent living. Many customers work mon-fri so want to come drop aircraft off on the weekend or later at night in the spring/summer. Then there are the ones who want to "help". No dam way. I could hire an apprentice, but they demand too much money. Some want 25/hr!!! Greedy fucks.

I enjoy the company I currently work for and do my tours. They are easy going and the crew including pilots are all good people. We have a tight group and all get along well. When I come home off tour I have 2 weeks to go play with the small fixed wing. I'm an Aerosexual as someone here has put it. lol. I like working on the dam things, but I don't give away my labour. Doing it full time I would miss the guys I work with.

I have a clientele that are all private currently so no need for an AMO. The odd commercial aircraft or major repair that may be needed doing is not worth having an AMO for.

[frosti]

TC has been hinting at AME duty days for over 20 years now. I haven’t paid much attention in recent years but is that actually coming to a head?

Wow, even the rcaf has a duty day policy for their aircraft techs. AMEs are getting hosed.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

For AME’s that still want to do this in Canada, I suggest starting your own AMO. It’s not the easiest or most stable way to make a living, but it is the best way to control your work and remuneration .

Man I wrestle with that thought daily. I have pretty much everything to start an AMO. Love working on my own, love being in control and setting my hours that suit me. But I hate people. The hours can be long somedays. Each day there is easily a couple hours that are not billable time. Guy needs to be gone from home 10-12 every day to make a decent living. Many customers work mon-fri so want to come drop aircraft off on the weekend or later at night in the spring/summer. Then there are the ones who want to "help". No dam way. I could hire an apprentice, but they demand too much money. Some want 25/hr!!! Greedy fucks.

I enjoy the company I currently work for and do my tours. They are easy going and the crew including pilots are all good people. We have a tight group and all get along well. When I come home off tour I have 2 weeks to go play with the small fixed wing. I'm an Aerosexual as someone here has put it. lol. I like working on the dam things, but I don't give away my labour. Doing it full time I would miss the guys I work with.

I have a clientele that are all private currently so no need for an AMO. The odd commercial aircraft or major repair that may be needed doing is not worth having an AMO for.

“Aerosexual” - that could have been and likely was me lol
How are you signing work for private guys, do you have a work order system you refer to, or do you just make an entry in the journeylog?

[Bug_Stomper_01]

TC has been hinting at AME duty days for over 20 years now. I haven’t paid much attention in recent years but is that actually coming to a head?

Wow, even the rcaf has a duty day policy for their aircraft techs. AMEs are getting hosed.

Probably the most abused workforce in Canada, it’s disgusting.

[orion3]

Good day,
For your rest period please refer to the Canada Labour Code, Part III, para 169.2(1) which reads

Rest period
169.2 (1) Every employee is entitled to and shall be granted a rest period of at least eight consecutive hours between work periods or shifts.

This is why Transport Canada does not currently have it in the CAR's.

Cheers

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Good day,
For your rest period please refer to the Canada Labour Code, Part III, para 169.2(1) which reads

Rest period
169.2 (1) Every employee is entitled to and shall be granted a rest period of at least eight consecutive hours between work periods or shifts.

This is why Transport Canada does not currently have it in the CAR's.

Cheers

You can’t read that in a vacuum, and the last I checked it was 11 for full time employees.

[SeptRepair]

“Aerosexual” - that could have been and likely was me lol
How are you signing work for private guys, do you have a work order system you refer to, or do you just make an entry in the journeylog?

Hahaha, I love the term. I use quite often in my conversations with people.
I just do detailed log book entries. I hate referencing work order numbers on an entry. It makes it tough for the next AME to look back and see exactly what work was accomplished. Also a good chance that a copy of that work order can be lost or misplaced by the owner.

[SeptRepair]

Rest period
169.2 (1) Every employee is entitled to and shall be granted a rest period of at least eight consecutive hours between work periods or shifts.

This is why Transport Canada does not currently have it in the CAR's.

Cheers

I'm a contractor, that rule only applies to "employees". In all seriousness, if they ever mandated a duty day ( as well as enforced it) like they due for the pilots, the industry would be in even worse shape then it is now. When on fires etc, there are very few days a person can expect to be away for more than 8 hours from work, let alone get rest for 8 hours.

[-42]

Curious how “the industry would be in even worse shape”? Seems to me that the 40 hour work week is actually quite antiquated. Europe is way ahead in pushing 32 hours. Quality of life hence productivity goes way up. The whole grinding it out is the way of the dodo. No one will care that you “gave er”.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Curious how “the industry would be in even worse shape”? Seems to me that the 40 hour work week is actually quite antiquated. Europe is way ahead in pushing 32 hours. Quality of life hence productivity goes way up. The whole grinding it out is the way of the dodo. No one will care that you “gave er”.

I think work relationships between AME’s and employers, especially operators, are very strained in Canada.
More companies than not don’t respect the profession, just consider it a necessary evil for day to day operations.
Competent knowledgeable AME’s being paid similar to fresh licenses is another thing quite common these days. I don’t think as a group there are any champions for AME’s, and, as a whole are very ill represented not only in aviation, but as a profession in Canada in general.
The hours of work cited by airframe and engine manufacturers are never respected (standard repair times etc) let alone even known about largely. It’s always the same thing, every job is handled like it’s the first time no matter how many times it’s been done. The 40 hour work week has never existed in my career except at the manufacturer. I think duty day enforced by TC would be a positive step in the right direction to correct manpower (bring wages up), but that’s just my opinion.

[-42]

Well at Pacific Coastal who is now owned by big brother Westjet who has slaughtered their staff by using Swoop to devastate their staff has deemed us “family” by offering 35.09 an hour for your blood, sweat and tears. Well you’ll probably get your government mandated sick pay, holiday pay and dental(now) so the total package should be less than 10 years ago. But you will get buddy passes that you’ll never be able to use as you will always be working and dog ass tired from your graveyard shift. Enjoy people! Your family!

[-42]

Well at Pacific Coastal who is now owned by big brother Westjet who has slaughtered their staff by using Swoop to devastate their staff has deemed us “family” by offering 35.09 an hour for your blood, sweat and tears. Well you’ll probably get your government mandated sick pay, holiday pay and dental(now) so the total package should be less than 10 years ago. But you will get buddy passes that you’ll never be able to use as you will always be working and dog ass tired from your graveyard shift. Enjoy people! Your family!

[Pat Richard]

Not sure if Im reading that correctly...they just offered $35.09 a hour to live/work in Vancouver???


If thats true, what were they paying previously?

[-42]

It’s called “indentured servitude” or as they say in Canada “industry standard”. Well it’s 35.09 but when you take on ACA or babysitting seven apprentice/engineers screw ups
you will get an extra few bucks…..well worth it. Feel like standing in an airport these days on standby for your vacation? What a benefit that is eh? Plus your boot allowance WOW thanks Westjet!

[Pat Richard]

I remember getting a bit less than that 20 years ago on the south side. That operator is no longer around but I have to wonder wtf pasco was paying back then.

I remember they used to let a lot of guys go as soon as the fall came around, but most came back in the spring, or so I think. They always had a TON of greenhorns running around there. A real nerve shattering experience for most crew chiefs, lol.

BCIT's best and brightest. You ever hear the story about the "contactless tire pressure gauge"?

[-42]

No I did not hear that one. I did have a BCIT “foreign” student/graduate bring me a pair of pump pliers when I asked for a crescent wrench. Honest mistake after 18 months of school…..

[Integra_Air]

Well at Pacific Coastal who is now owned by big brother Westjet

No they're not. Wherever you got that info it's wrong.

[Pacqing]

A crescent wrench? You were working on ground equipment right?

[-42]

Sorry I meant “All 1/16th’s”. Purist.

[Rustybeard]

Just a heads up those us wages posted earlier are based off an exchange rate of ( 1.25) at our current exchange rate (1.33) these top wages from the states are almost $80 Canadian an hour. So you could move south and basically double your top wage with what we currently have here.

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[Pat Richard]

The exchange rate is one thing,but for me, the insane rate of taxation in this country is the bigger negative.

And preemptively, I dont want to hear from any flag draped window licker bellow about "free" health care in canada vs the US.
I've been witness to and witnessed exactly how shit it is for a long time. People who have not experienced anywhere else that is comparable(taxation wise) are usually the ones who parrot that beyond stupid statement.

You get what you pay for applies.

Im getting a bit longer in the tooth, but if the US made it easier for us to go there and work I most definetly would bail for a few years and leave this ever progressing leftist shithole as soon as would be allowed.

Couldn't really care less what happens to aviation here. Its at a point where crash and burn are inevitable.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Just a heads up those us wages posted earlier are based off an exchange rate of ( 1.25) at our current exchange rate (1.33) these top wages from the states are almost $80 Canadian an hour. So you could move south and basically double your top wage with what we currently have here.


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Lots including myself have made the change but never more so than post pandemic.