Salary Survey 2022

[twa22]

A new thread on salary survey for 2022 has been posted on the American forums

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/majo ... urvey.html

Everyone knows our salaries are abysmal, but for the sake of it, i'd like to see a similar thread like there's here

[JHR]

This will be a depressing thread

[Bug_Stomper_01]

A new thread on salary survey for 2022 has been posted on the American forums

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/majo ... urvey.html

Everyone knows our salaries are abysmal, but for the sake of it, i'd like to see a similar thread like there's here

Good idea, I’ll mirror this post for the maintenance folks as well.

[TurkeyFarmYQX]

Haven't had a good cry this week.

[schnitzel2k3]

They're living on a different planet. I'd say we are, but, shy of what China used to pay for a lot more work, those U.S pilots at any sort of mainstream 121 are earning surgeon levels of pay for 3-500 hours of block flying.

Our industry doesn't hold a fart lit from a dollar store BIC lighter to the U.S' Artemesis launch of salary and conditions.

Thanks ACPA and all the executives at AC for holding back an entire industry and forcing every single operator from Victoria to St Johns to fight for the crapped on scraps you've left behind.

Absolutely despicable. Doesn't help the government likes to interdict on behalf of the corporation and it's executives.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

They're living on a different planet. I'd say we are, but, shy of what China used to pay for a lot more work, those U.S pilots at any sort of mainstream 121 are earning surgeon levels of pay for 3-500 hours of block flying.

Our industry doesn't hold a fart lit from a dollar store BIC lighter to the U.S' Artemesis launch of salary and conditions.

Thanks ACPA and all the executives at AC for holding back an entire industry and forcing every single operator from Victoria to St Jonhs to fight for the crapped on scraps you've left behind.

Absolutely despicable. Doesn't help the government likes to interdict on behalf of the corporation and it's executives.

It’s f’n pathetic, the “industry” in Canada has always been cutthroat to its own workforce but this modern era is the absolute bottom of any barrel it’s ever been in

[hawker driver]

I work in the US but live in Canada and can confirm the pay rates listed in the US airline pilot forum are about right.

I have recently had an offer for a job as a direct entry captain in Canada. The recruiter was so proud to say the starting pay would be $122k Canadian. I thanked them and said I would think about it.
I didn’t have the heart to tell her that I paid $144k ( Canadian) in taxes last year from my current job and worked a lot less.

[Aspiredtofly]

I work in the US but live in Canada and can confirm the pay rates listed in the US airline pilot forum are about right.

I have recently had an offer for a job as a direct entry captain in Canada. The recruiter was so proud to say the starting pay would be $122k Canadian. I thanked them and said I would think about it.
I didn’t have the heart to tell her that I paid $144k ( Canadian) in taxes last year from my current job and worked a lot less.

How do you get taxes in that way. If your working in the US and live in Canada, do you get taxes on both states?

[schnitzel2k3]

I work in the US but live in Canada and can confirm the pay rates listed in the US airline pilot forum are about right.

I have recently had an offer for a job as a direct entry captain in Canada. The recruiter was so proud to say the starting pay would be $122k Canadian. I thanked them and said I would think about it.
I didn’t have the heart to tell her that I paid $144k ( Canadian) in taxes last year from my current job and worked a lot less.

How do you get taxes in that way. If your working in the US and live in Canada, do you get taxes on both states?

Tax treaty. Only pay the higher one, whjch is Canada.

[schnitzel2k3]

I work in the US but live in Canada and can confirm the pay rates listed in the US airline pilot forum are about right.

I have recently had an offer for a job as a direct entry captain in Canada. The recruiter was so proud to say the starting pay would be $122k Canadian. I thanked them and said I would think about it.
I didn’t have the heart to tell her that I paid $144k ( Canadian) in taxes last year from my current job and worked a lot less.

If you're making that much, why would Porter even be on your radar?

[hawker driver]

The Airline in Canada found me on LinkedIn and contacted me probably because my profile came up in a search meeting all of their requirements.

The reason I paid so much is tax is that the US first took $83000 US from my pay cheque which is $112000 Canadian then the Canadian government says I still didn’t pay enough tax in the US and wants another $32,000 Canadian in quarterly instalments even though there is a tax treaty.

[schnitzel2k3]

The Airline in Canada found me on LinkedIn and contacted me probably because my profile came up in a search meeting all of their requirements.

The reason I paid so much is tax is that the US first took $83000 US from my pay cheque which is $112000 Canadian then the Canadian government says I still didn’t pay enough tax in the US and wants another $32,000 Canadian in quarterly instalments even though there is a tax treaty.

Well, that's a little egg on the recruiters face, at least you let them down softly. Though, you should be honest with them and just say my current salary package is X.

I had a few recruiters reach out over the past year from various institutions and in every case the salary or conditions (or reputation) of said company didn't match what I would consider a company worth investing my time. I was honest everytime with every recruiter. They appreciated it and asked what would I need to come over. I'm hoping in some way my honesty will help improve what companies offer, particularly if they are seeing consistency in people saying no.

[rudder]

Given taxation (both income and consumption) and cost of living (housing) there is no offer in Canada, including B777 CA, that can compete with a US opportunity.

[hawker driver]

Given taxation (both income and consumption) and cost of living (housing) there is no offer in Canada, including B777 CA, that can compete with a US opportunity.

As a matter of fact a good friend of mine is a 777 CA in Canada and he told me last summer how he can wait to get up to my pay scale. But, to be fair he works 12 days a month and I work 15 so he is probably a little ahead.

[hawker driver]

Well, that's a little egg on the recruiters face, at least you let them down softly. Though, you should be honest with them and just say my current salary package is X.

I had a few recruiters reach out over the past year from various institutions and in every case the salary or conditions (or reputation) of said company didn't match what I would consider a company worth investing my time. I was honest everytime with every recruiter. They appreciated it and asked what would I need to come over. I'm hoping in some way my honesty will help improve what companies offer, particularly if they are seeing consistency in people saying no.

I didn’t want to be an a$$ to the recruiter she was just trying to fill her quota of phone calls and contacts to prospective applicants to justify her time sheet.

She did tell me they were looking to hire 1200 pilots in the next year or two which surprised me.
I did let her know that salary was low but she said that is what is currently being offered.

I do remember a few years back where regional airlines in the US were only offering 30-40K to start now they are offering over $110k when they found out they can’t get pilots. It didn’t take long and sooner or later it will change in Canada.

[schnitzel2k3]

Well, that's a little egg on the recruiters face, at least you let them down softly. Though, you should be honest with them and just say my current salary package is X.

I had a few recruiters reach out over the past year from various institutions and in every case the salary or conditions (or reputation) of said company didn't match what I would consider a company worth investing my time. I was honest everytime with every recruiter. They appreciated it and asked what would I need to come over. I'm hoping in some way my honesty will help improve what companies offer, particularly if they are seeing consistency in people saying no.

I didn’t want to be an a$$ to the recruiter she was just trying to fill her quota of phone calls and contacts to prospective applicants to justify her time sheet.

She did tell me they were looking to hire 1200 pilots in the next year or two which surprised me.
I did let her know that salary was low but she said that is what is currently being offered.

I do remember a few years back where regional airlines in the US were only offering 30-40K to start now they are offering over $110k when they found out they can’t get pilots. It didn’t take long and sooner or later it will change in Canada.

It's certainly not being an arse, as the feedback is important. If its delivered respectfully to give them material to go back to the company they recruit for and say 'You guys suck...' lol, well then its on them. Use the messenger!