Toronto Hospital 70% Unvaccinated

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Re: Toronto Hospital 70% Unvaccinated

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1. Does this shot keep me from getting the coof?(nope had it twice since the shots)
2. Does this shot keep me from infecting others if I get the coof?(If I can get it, I can spread it)
3. Are you willing to pay my wages if I can't work due to adverse reactions?(which I had after I was forced to take the mandated shots of lose my job.

bugger off and leave me(and a bunch more of us) alone.
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Oh and the only ones in my house that got sick, we're the vaxx'd.
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rigpiggy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:42 pm Oh and the only ones in my house that got sick, we're the vaxx'd.
2 years plus and you still didn't get it that vaccination is a tool amongst others things.
Nothing will change your mind so enjoy your life in your parallel universe.
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rigpiggy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:42 pm Oh and the only ones in my house that got sick, we're the vaxx'd.
Yes you can get sick if you're vaccinated, but the impact of the illness is significantly reduced. Instead of ending up in the hospital/dying you get a week of feeling crappy from the comfort of your home.
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nutlord wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:33 pm
rigpiggy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:42 pm Oh and the only ones in my house that got sick, we're the vaxx'd.
Yes you can get sick if you're vaccinated, but the impact of the illness is significantly reduced. Instead of ending up in the hospital/dying you get a week of feeling crappy from the comfort of your home.
Science!
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It’s been 15 months since I got my 2 mandatory jabs. I got Covid a couple months ago but it was very minor. I also don’t wear masks unless it’s Halloween :twisted:

Seems the people getting sick now I know of are 4-5 times boosted. The vaccines don’t work at all. Period. The common cold is also a Covid. They’ve never been able to find a vaccine for that after all these years.
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There is a new study from the Cleveland Clinic that demonstrates that the risk of a COVID infection goes up with number of doses of the jab. They admit that this is unexpected, and they call into question the effectiveness of the mRNA.
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flyer 1492 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:11 pm There is a new study from the Cleveland Clinic that demonstrates that the risk of a COVID infection goes up with number of doses of the jab. They admit that this is unexpected, and they call into question the effectiveness of the mRNA.
Not quite. You can see the study here:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 22283625v1
Risk of COVID-19 increased with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode and with the number of vaccine doses previously received. In multivariable analysis, the bivalent vaccinated state was independently associated with lower risk of COVID-19 (HR, .70; 95% C.I., .61-.80), leading to an estimated vaccine effectiveness (VE) of 30% (95% CI, 20-39%).
Summary Among 51011 working-aged Cleveland Clinic employees, the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine booster was 30% effective in preventing infection, during the time when the virus strains dominant in the community were represented in the vaccine.
The increase in infection risk with number of vaccinations seems to be robust and dose dependent (fig 2), which is contradictory with the 30% effectiveness found for the vaccine in this study. One possibility is that the vaccine results in a stronger immune response to the virus when an infection occurs. The study didn't actually measure all infections, only infections that were reported by the participants, so there would have been many unsymptomatic infections among the group.

The big question you need to ask yourself is whether the vaccine reduces risk of death or hospitalisation.
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Well, the numbers in NSW Australia COVID ICU Admissions for November/December 2022 are out...

Unvaccinated 0
1 Dose 6
2 Doses 60
3 Doses 95
4+ Doses 173

Funny this is their summer not winter.
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flyer 1492 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Well, the numbers in NSW Australia COVID ICU Admissions for November/December 2022 are out...

Unvaccinated 0
1 Dose 6
2 Doses 60
3 Doses 95
4+ Doses 173

Funny this is their summer not winter.
Yeah, and the ICU admissions were almost all older people, who generally have all the vaccines. The question to ask is the relative risk of vaccination vs none, which your figures above doesn't tell us. Other studies tell us that vaccines significantly reduce the risk of ending up in ICU, e.g.:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane ... le/2797781
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Re: Toronto Hospital 70% Unvaccinated

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flyer 1492 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Well, the numbers in NSW Australia COVID ICU Admissions for November/December 2022 are out...

Unvaccinated 0
1 Dose 6
2 Doses 60
3 Doses 95
4+ Doses 173

Funny this is their summer not winter.
Seems like you're finding correlative patterns, not actual causation. This article might be an interesting read.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/did-ice- ... nd-bednar/
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Just stating current facts Nutlord.
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flyer 1492 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:19 pm Just stating current facts Nutlord.
Fair enough, I suppose I was the one drawing conclusions here.
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rigpiggy wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:44 am https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb2YMvfvm_M
Thanks for doing your bit to help Darwin clean up the gene pool!
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flyer 1492 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Well, the numbers in NSW Australia COVID ICU Admissions for November/December 2022 are out...

Unvaccinated 0
1 Dose 6
2 Doses 60
3 Doses 95
4+ Doses 173

Funny this is their summer not winter.
Given that over 97% of NSW residents have had a vaccination, the 0 number for the unvaxxed is not surprising given they are statistically insignificant. Also, given that number, they probably have nobody left to socialize with. The higher the age, the greater the likelihood of more doses and greater the likelihood of required hospitalization.
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kgb531 wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:46 pm
flyer 1492 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Well, the numbers in NSW Australia COVID ICU Admissions for November/December 2022 are out...

Unvaccinated 0
1 Dose 6
2 Doses 60
3 Doses 95
4+ Doses 173

Funny this is their summer not winter.
Given that over 97% of NSW residents have had a vaccination, the 0 number for the unvaxxed is not surprising given they are statistically insignificant. Also, given that number, they probably have nobody left to socialize with. The higher the age, the greater the likelihood of more doses and greater the likelihood of required hospitalization.
3 percent would be 250000 people. This does not make them statistically insignificant. They do drug trials with a fraction this number of people to make decisions. Don't try to do science. The same people who would deny this data as credible, would use it if it conformed to their beliefs. How do we know this? Because these are exactly the type of statistics pumped out when vaccines first began to roll out.
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Re: Toronto Hospital 70% Unvaccinated

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I'm not doing science, I'm doing math. Given their vax breakdowns, those 17 and under would make up almost 95% of the unvaccinated. So really, you're talking about 12,500 people at best, almost all of them under 50 yrs. I get this breakdown doesn't fit your narrative, but if you don't understand simple statistics, stay away from the realm of science altogether.
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kgb531 wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:46 pm
flyer 1492 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Well, the numbers in NSW Australia COVID ICU Admissions for November/December 2022 are out...

Unvaccinated 0
1 Dose 6
2 Doses 60
3 Doses 95
4+ Doses 173

Funny this is their summer not winter.
Given that over 97% of NSW residents have had a vaccination, the 0 number for the unvaxxed is not surprising given they are statistically insignificant. Also, given that number, they probably have nobody left to socialize with. The higher the age, the greater the likelihood of more doses and greater the likelihood of required hospitalization.
3 percent would be 250000 people. This does not make them statistically insignificant. They do drug trials with a fraction this number of people to make decisions. Don't try to do science. The same people who would deny this data as credible, would use it if it conformed to their beliefs. How do we know this? Because these are exactly the type of statistics pumped out when vaccines first began to roll out.
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